How did RDF ruined the social aspect??.

[SinR]

So what happens when 1 or 2 bosses in the tank dips for whatever reason?

[Grinning Serpent]

So what happens when 1 or 2 bosses in the tank dips for whatever reason?

You use LFG and find a replacement. If it's not a raid, you probably just reset because why not kill the bosses again?

[DeltrusDisc]

it didnt

its just an excuse for people

Doubt you played before RDF, then.

While sure, one can still meet new people and make new friendships, I won't argue against that, the being forced to find a party and group up and such kinda helped you on the friendship journey aspect. The socialization. I absolutely have noticed people queueing RDF more than together ever since RDF was introduced, because it's just easier to just queue now instead of waiting for everyone to get online or be ready, for example.

[Grinning Serpent]

Doubt you played before RDF, then.

While sure, one can still meet new people and make new friendships, I won't argue against that, the being forced to find a party and group up and such kinda helped you on the friendship journey aspect. The socialization. I absolutely have noticed people queueing RDF more than together ever since RDF was introduced, because it's just easier to just queue now instead of waiting for everyone to get online or be ready, for example.

The only reason people queue together (for casual content) in the post-RDF world is because the average player is pretty bad, and they want fewer potentially bad players in their group. That's pretty much it.

[Dadwen]

Doubt you played before RDF, then.

While sure, one can still meet new people and make new friendships, I won't argue against that, the being forced to find a party and group up and such kinda helped you on the friendship journey aspect. The socialization. I absolutely have noticed people queueing RDF more than together ever since RDF was introduced, because it's just easier to just queue now instead of waiting for everyone to get online or be ready, for example.

I played since one month after WOW launched (was still playing EQ) the only thing that changed after they added RDF was I ran more dungeons that I did before, the amount I ran with my guild didn't change a bit (after I geared up a alt tank in RDF I ended up side tanking for a friends guild on dungeon runs *my guild had several tanks and was no shortage so I could run my DPS with them).

that RDF ruined anything is BS.

[Mysterymask]

You use LFG and find a replacement. If it's not a raid, you probably just reset because why not kill the bosses again?

You can't reset heroic dungeons.....

[Grinning Serpent]

You can't reset heroic dungeons.....

Then just run it again? I don't understand the point of the question.

People randomly bail out of RFD groups, too. It's not something exclusive to or somehow worse in LFG.

[Mysterymask]

Then just run it again? I don't understand the point of the question.

People randomly bail out of RFD groups, too. It's not something exclusive to or somehow worse in LFG.

Because heroic dungeons are only reset once a day in classic before RDF

Fuck up your heroic too bad it's gone till tomorrow

[Ealyssa]

you probably just reset because why not kill the bosses again?

Do you even play the game ? Reset heroic dungeon ?

[Grinning Serpent]

Do you even play the game ? Reset heroic dungeon ?

No, I haven't played WotLK in 14 years. That's the point of classic, isn't it?

[ThatsOurEric]

RDF didn't kill the social aspect.

There, that was easy.

[Grinning Serpent]

Because heroic dungeons are only reset once a day in classic before RDF

Fuck up your heroic too bad it's gone till tomorrow

Then why are you acting like this is a problem exclusive to LFG? Do you believe that people don't ragequit RFD groups or something?

[Mysterymask]

No, I haven't played WotLK in 14 years. That's the point of classic, isn't it?

Well then

Heroic dungeons are only reset daily as they currently are in retail
You probably don't notice it because RDF bypasses this but if you specific queue a dungeon you'll notice you can't specific queue for it again

That's how Wrath was until RDF (which no longer exists) came about. You clear UP then it will be cleared until reset the next day. If you half clear it then it's gonna still be half cleared until reset. Wrath was infamous for having trolls trick you into done raids and dungeons so you lose your chance at loot for the day/week

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Then why are you acting like this is a problem exclusive to LFG? Do you believe that people don't ragequit RFD groups or something?

Because in RFD you can just shrug and requeue...you can't without

[Dadwen]

Because in RFD you can just shrug and requeue...you can't without

Been a while since I played but didn't with RDF you'd kinda get head of the line too when filling in a dropped player if you were already in a dungeon in progress? (it was rare players dropped, most wanted to just get the run in but Lag/RL etc happens, but don't remember really waiting long for a replacement)

[Mysterymask]

Been a while since I played but didn't with RDF you'd kinda get head of the line too when filling in a dropped player if you were already in a dungeon in progress? (it was rare players dropped, most wanted to just get the run in but Lag/RL etc happens, but don't remember really waiting long for a replacement)

Yep and of course there was a punishment for leaving back then too.. honestly might be a bit of a culture shock of pre rdf Wrath since it had it longer than it didn't

[Grinning Serpent]

Because in RFD you can just shrug and requeue...you can't without

Why not? You can re-enter LFG in the middle of a dungeon. Why not heroics?

It's all beside the point, though - the entire purpose of not having RFD is that Blizzard wants people to socialize more. Play with your guildmates and friends you've made in game. You have a roughly zero percent change of being trolled if you're playing with people you know and like.

[Mysterymask]

Why not? You can re-enter LFG in the middle of a dungeon. Why not heroics?

It's all beside the point, though - the entire purpose of not having RFD is that Blizzard wants people to socialize more. Play with your guildmates and friends you've made in game. You have a roughly zero percent change of being trolled if you're playing with people you know and like.

Let me explain with this

Johnny is running UP with a pug
The pug tank left after 3 bosses, now Johnny needs to fill in he has 2 tank friends Steve and Billy

Steve already cleared it and as such cannot enter for him UP is completely devoid of bosses and trash and therefore cannot help even if he wanted to

Billy isn't saved but entering that dungeon with Johnny will lock him out of the first 3 bosses for the rest of the day denying him a chance of loot and badges . Billy can go if he wants but he's effectively getting fucked because of that pug tank rage quitting

[Grinning Serpent]

Let me explain with this

Johnny is running UP with a pug
The pug tank left after 3 bosses, now Johnny needs to fill in he has 2 tank friends Steve and Billy

Steve already cleared it and as such cannot enter for him UP is completely devoid of bosses and trash and therefore cannot help even if he wanted to

Billy isn't saved but entering that dungeon with Johnny will lock him out of the first 3 bosses for the rest of the day denying him a chance of loot and badges . Billy can go if he wants but he's effectively getting fucked because of that pug tank rage quitting

Seems to me that suggests you should form premade groups for content with lockouts, which doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

[Mysterymask]

Seems to me that suggests you should form premade groups for content with lockouts, which doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

By that logic yes 90% of wow players problems goes away if you don't pug but that's logical and requires more social interaction that LFG Need tank must be 6k gearscore

[Grinning Serpent]

By that logic yes 90% of wow players problems goes away if you don't pug but that's logical and requires more social interaction that LFG Need tank must be 6k gearscore

That is *literally the point*. Blizzard wants players to have to communicate and interact with each other. You know... like how all of vanilla and TBC and a majority of WotLK worked back when.