The Diablo 4 pre-order bundles, and their supposed cost

[kenn9530]

“You think you could prove to a court that you weren't satisfied with a product after using it for 2 years?”

I don’t know. What if for two years I had to wait for a promised content update that should have been concluding the story - but it was never released as company always delayed the update date, for two years?

Then again why sue? Idk how it works in your country, in mine you just contact the service provider directly with a complaint and they must respond (facing extra consequences, such as an additional 50% fine on top of everything, if they don’t and case moves to court). It works just that simple.

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As I said grow up. Games have always been released under a business model where initial sales fund ongoing support and bugfixing. It’s not a crime to not know that though

The company has the right to terminate your service permanently and they are ones who choose whats suitable for them to do so, so no you could never take a company to court after using a service for 2 years just because it may be missing something. A live service game you are not paying for content you are paying for access to content.

[Endus]

“And if you don't like it, exert a basic modicum of self control and don't buy it in Early Access, and your discontent is completely solved”

That is exactly what I do. No payment for ea-type frauds. Bannerlord was just an example how the fraud works.

“Paying for a game has never guaranteed ongoing support for that game, not unless it explicitly promised such on the box.”

Orly? Accept my condolences then for living somewhere where customers have no rights at all. Here there’s a mandatory 10 year period, be it software or actual goods, where support and replacement parts (in case of real goods) MUST be provided by the seller - or it’s a fraud.

Given that you insist on lying about what "fraud" is, I have no reason to believe in this "10 year period" working as you suggest. Especially when you won't come clean about your location, so I could check for myself.

[Breader]

The company has the right to terminate your service permanently and they are ones who choose whats suitable for them to do so, so no you could never take a company to court after using a service for 2 years just because it may be missing something. A live service game you are not paying for content you are paying for access to content.

Because this is written in their TOS? So what, local legislation still applies, and it may invalidate certain TOS terms if they contradict applicable law - because, for instance, it explicitly states that no part of any customer agreement or contract may diminish customer rights guaranteed by the law, and if it (TOS) does so in writing, that part of the TOS is null and void and not applicable - without voiding it entirely.

So yes, if they advertised a service as having a certain feature/capacity, and it was missing and never existed, and there were promises of “fixing” it in some future - it’s a fraud because they did not held their pair of the bargain

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“ Given that you insist on lying about what "fraud" is”

That’s a funny way to say “I don’t understand a single thing but disagree anyways”.

“ so I could check for myself.”

[Endus]

“ Given that you insist on lying about what "fraud" is”

That’s a funny way to say “I don’t understand a single thing but disagree anyways”.

I really don't understand why you don't use the quote system.

You claimed, among other things, that early access pricing was a "fraud". That's a lie. It's not. Your dislike of that model doesn't change the facts.

[Breader]

I really don't understand why you don't use the quote system.

You claimed, among other things, that early access pricing was a "fraud". That's a lie. It's not. Your dislike of that model doesn't change the facts.

It IS a fraud.

It is a fraud because, as I mentioned earlier, they want 100% price for a product which is only 5-10% complete, while not providing any guarantees, timelines or roadmaps. Let me use the Bannerlord example again: game has been in EA state for what, 3+ years? Yet it is still lacking 80% of the core game functionality that was present in #1. Heck, even obvious bugs such as capturing yet another city from your enemy actually lowering your war score, remain unfixed for years.

So it’s a fraud because they basically took the money while not promising or guaranteeing anything - and not doing much either.

As for the quote system, from the mobile device it’s easier to select and copy rather than to hit a quote and then delete unnecessary text. By the way, the engine of this forum has a version where you can highlight and quote only highlighted text - sadly it’s missing here.

[Biomega]

It IS a fraud.

You don't know what fraud is.

If someone goes "would you like to pay 100% for a game that's only 5-10% complete, with no guarantees, timelines, or roadmaps?" and you go "okay sure, here you go", what part of that is fraudulent? The answer is: NO PART.

You may not LIKE it, but that doesn't mean it's fraud. That's not what that word means in the vernacular, and it's not what it means legally. In fact, you CLAIMING it's fraud is more illegal than selling early access games, because it could be considered libel (not that anyone would seriously pursue it, of course).

There's also a very easy, very accessible remedy to all of it: don't fucking buy early access games.

All of your querulant whining is just a you-problem, not an actual problem.

[Breader]

You don't know what fraud is.

If someone goes "would you like to pay 100% for a game that's only 5-10% complete, with no guarantees, timelines, or roadmaps?" and you go "okay sure, here you go", what part of that is fraudulent? The answer is: NO PART.

You may not LIKE it, but that doesn't mean it's fraud. That's not what that word means in the vernacular, and it's not what it means legally. In fact, you CLAIMING it's fraud is more illegal than selling early access games, because it could be considered libel (not that anyone would seriously pursue it, of course).

There's also a very easy, very accessible remedy to all of it: don't fucking buy early access games.

All of your querulant whining is just a you-problem, not an actual problem.

I’ve stated it already that I don’t pay for early access games.

Also it seems that my quality bar for the products worth paying for it a lot higher than yours. Which is definitely neither a me-problem nor a you-problem.

Keep paying for fraudulent (in my opinion) early access games and stay happy. I will keep using them for free and stay happy too. Everyone is happy!

[munkeyinorbit]

So spewing out a bunch of nonsense that in nothing addresses what I said counts as "counter-argument" now? So in your mind the deterioration of gaming caused by increased monetization?


... Your argument against my complaint regarding D4 and battle passes is that... Blizzard is forcing me to make that complaint?

There are already games out there that have a revenue model that you support. Go play those games. You act like blizzard is holding you hostage and forcing your CC details into the purchase page. Are they? If they are we can get the fbi involved because I'm sure that might be construed as kidnapping.

Stop acting like a child. The internet isn't impressed about your fake rage about revenue models. Buy it or not. Blizzard doesn't care and neither do I.

[liyroot]

That completely, and totally misses the core complaint of the issue: Game prices increasing based on inflation is fine, as long as it's what I pay: The base game, or any expansion content: I'm paying twice your inflation calculations to then be asked to keep paying more: Before it was to gamble, gamble gamble! (and to a degree, still is depending on your game/s of choice). Base price increasing due to inflation and costs is one thing, increasing base price under that assumption WHILE ALSO shovelling in extra shit on top of it to pay for. 110 bucks and everything release is in there? no worries, I can jibe with that. 110 bucks and "who the fuck knows how much extra stuff behind paywalls!" This isn't just a Diablo or Blizzard issue, it's endemic. That is my issue: This shit IS there at release, but locked behind EVEN FURTHER cash gates, and as a single parent who 110 bucks is a month of careful spending to buy getting "hey welcome you got more cash?" is fucking cringe.

My guy, who are you debating with on here? These people you're arguing with are the same people who want to buy a $1500 decoration for their room. The same decoration that will garuntee no woman ever feels safe in their home again. They desperately want this object. Think about that.

[Ielenia]

You act like blizzard is holding you hostage and forcing your CC details into the purchase page.

The fact this is the takeaway from all that I wrote speaks volumes more about about you than it does about me.

Stop acting like a child.

You're acting so overly defensive, and I'm the one "acting like a child"?

The internet isn't impressed about your fake rage about revenue models.

Considering I'm not here to impress anyone, mission successful, then?

Blizzard doesn't care and neither do I.

Apparently you do care a whole lot, considering you still replied to me, almost ten days after I made my post.

[anon5123]

Those games didn't offer bonus cosmetics at all, so you really don't.

Yes they literally did holy shit lmao
Not sure if zoomer or historical revisionism or both

[Chaotic1962]

Might as well slap this here. Anyone have any idea when the option to pre order ends? A day before release? Week? Month?

[Coldkil]

Probably until release. There's no date specified so i assume it's that.

[Strawberry]

My friend's reaction "€100!".
Me: "yeah that's €100 for PC and €100 for PS5".

Disappointed with Physical CE so I won't be getting that.

[Nalam the Venom]

My friend's reaction "€100!".
Me: "yeah that's €100 for PC and €100 for PS5".

Disappointed with Physical CE so I won't be getting that.

I think it’s funny when people say 100 Eu is a lot.

It’s like they have no idea what stuff even goes for anymore.

How much people spend daily or Monthly in Various different Mobile games or MMORPGs.

Heck, To get an outfit in Vindictus you have to dish out like 300 EU on their RnG boxes.

1 person spent 1700 Euro on Genshin impact between 2020-2021

Diablo immortal made 49Mil in it’s first month

[alexs]

I think it’s funny when people say 100 Eu is a lot.

It’s like they have no idea what stuff even goes for anymore.

How much people spend daily or Monthly in Various different Mobile games or MMORPGs.

Heck, To get an outfit in Vindictus you have to dish out like 300 EU on their RnG boxes.

1 person spent 1700 Euro on Genshin impact between 2020-2021

Diablo immortal made 49Mil in it’s first month

Not sure what kind of fantasy world you live in, but with increased costs of electricity, food etc. I don't think I can say that putting out 70 euro on a game is good for most people atm.

[chiddie]

Not sure what kind of fantasy world you live in, but with increased costs of electricity, food etc. I don't think I can say that putting out 70 euro on a game is good for most people atm.

Dude if you can’t spend 70 euro 2-3 times a year for 2-3 games, maybe you have more serious issues than worrying about gaming.

70 euros is just a cheap dinner in a random cheap restaurant for 2 people (at least in Italy).

[Biomega]

Not sure what kind of fantasy world you live in, but with increased costs of electricity, food etc. I don't think I can say that putting out 70 euro on a game is good for most people atm.

Without trying to belittle anyone for whom $70 is subjectively a lot of money (and there are many such people), games are luxuries. They're entertainment products. And as such, they are probably better value overall than most alternatives.

A game like D4 can be expected to provide HUNDREDS of hours of entertainment. Easily THOUSANDS for the big-dick grinders.

You'd be hard-pressed to find many other entertainment products where $70 buys you hundreds of engaging, varied, and constantly updated hours of entertainment.

[Kilpi]

I think it’s funny when people say 100 Eu is a lot.

It’s like they have no idea what stuff even goes for anymore.

How much people spend daily or Monthly in Various different Mobile games or MMORPGs.

Heck, To get an outfit in Vindictus you have to dish out like 300 EU on their RnG boxes.

1 person spent 1700 Euro on Genshin impact between 2020-2021

Diablo immortal made 49Mil in it’s first month

I think it's funny when people don't think 300 or 1700 used on a single game is stupidly huge amount of money and then use "someone else spent X amount on game Y" argument to justify game Z being expensive.

[Cavein]

Without trying to belittle anyone for whom $70 is subjectively a lot of money (and there are many such people), games are luxuries. They're entertainment products. And as such, they are probably better value overall than most alternatives.

A game like D4 can be expected to provide HUNDREDS of hours of entertainment. Easily THOUSANDS for the big-dick grinders.

You'd be hard-pressed to find many other entertainment products where $70 buys you hundreds of engaging, varied, and constantly updated hours of entertainment.

Path of Exile, and the upcoming rework PoE2. Both of which have and will continue to provide more than d3 and d4 will for free.

Activision is greedy as eff.