1. #2101
    Quote Originally Posted by Fortress of Arrogance View Post
    I won't go any more with this, we're offtopic as is.
    I can lead a horse near the watersource, but I cannot make it drink.
    Correct, you can make a nonsensical argument and provide no evidence whatsoever for it, but you can't force anyone to buy into your delusions. Thank god. There is a reason that you literally can't explain what the problem is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumble View Post
    Apparently you do.

    And to pretend Ms Marvel is anything but an author self insert, when the AUTHOR has said it was. The character is a knock off of a knock off of a knock off written for the author by the author about her own personal experience.

    Self disception is always the most insidious.
    People write characters that are reflective of their own experiences? Wow, what a crazy idea.

    Is the character a "knock off" or is she so unique to one particular demographic that nobody else can empathize with her? You aren't even internally coherent.
    "stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
    -ynnady

  2. #2102
    Quote Originally Posted by Gumble View Post
    Apparently you do.

    And to pretend Ms Marvel is anything but an author self insert, when the AUTHOR has said it was. The character is a knock off of a knock off of a knock off written for the author by the author about her own personal experience.

    Self disception is always the most insidious.
    The Thing is a self-insert for Jack Kirby. Why does this get a pass?

    Ms Marvel is still a super hero fan girl and gamer who likes her family but they have trouble relating to each other. Just because G. Willow Wilson strongly relates to this isn’t relevant.

    She-Hulk is not a self insert because most of the personality features you see in the show were laid down by John Byrne.

  3. #2103
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivanstone View Post
    Ms Marvel isn’t a story about a young Asian girl.

    It’s a story about a super hero fan and gamer, who gets superpowers and now gets to be a hero like their idol. Or is that not universal enough for you?
    I mean, it does depend on a lot of factors, and varies by the watcher. I enjoyed Ms Marvel very much, but Turning Red lasted 10 minutes and it was a struggle, and you could reduce either of them to "young asian girl dealing with culturally linked metaphysical changes" or something if you wanted to go that route.
    "I only feel two things Gary, nothing, and nothingness."

  4. #2104
    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    I mean, it does depend on a lot of factors, and varies by the watcher. I enjoyed Ms Marvel very much, but Turning Red lasted 10 minutes and it was a struggle, and you could reduce either of them to "young asian girl dealing with culturally linked metaphysical changes" or something if you wanted to go that route.
    Turning Red has a specific parable that’s heavily weighted towards women. I haven’t seen it but I doubt it would bother me.

    Ms Marvel is not. She’s a gamer nerd with a favourite super hero. It’s pretty easy to insert any poster on this forum into her shoes. I have a medallion from my great-great Grandfather. Maybe it will unlock the old spirits of Gaelic mythology (who are actually from another dimension) and give me super powers (that I really had latently) and then I’ll be a super hero and save the world.

  5. #2105
    Quote Originally Posted by NineSpine View Post
    As someone with a degree in mastery over English, I would expect you to know the dangers of taking a specified multi-word term and assuming its meaning is a combination of the literal definitions of the words, rather than having its own meaning:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extremely_online


    .
    Oh no, you misunderstood. My degree (as in, what I studied in Uni) is in Economics, not English. I was using the words differently - I have a measure of mastery over English would be a synonymous phrase. Helpful Wikipedia article you linked. I just find it quite hypocritical that someone with just under 17k posts on a fan-made gaming forum would call others out regarding internet media addiction. A bit of "Pot calling the kettle black" action going on here. I mean, my MMO-champion account is as old as yours, and I'm not even close to 1k posts.

  6. #2106
    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    You know. I should thank you. If ever there had been any doubt in my mind that I was on the right side of the argument, you have erased it. I know you long enough to be certain that if you are on the side of the mob, then it has to be the wrong side.
    You mean the circa three years of you hijacking a lore dedicated to actual WoW lore to peddle your abject fanfiction no matter how many direct sources are cited to show it for what it is? That "long enough"? Well, that long enough sure is an indication you're so disjointed from reality that you'd pat yourself on the back over how right you are no matter how many people expose how you're spreading complete and utter bullshit in true "No, it's the children who are wrong" Spinner fashion, so this glorious conclusion here is just par for the course.


    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    Apart from the fact that all you do is make assumptions that you cannot in any way prove (something that would be called "a lie" if you were on my side of the argument and not with the pitchfork troop) all you do is insult people. I will write this reply and then I will keep ignoring you as I have been doing in the wow forums.
    I cannot prove that the text of some of these "totally genuine" reviews contain trite misinformation about the show that just so happens to have been regurgitated from a "certain" part of the Internet or some whining about how an agenda is being shoved down their throat, even though they are publicly available on reviewing sites? Riveting tale you got there. About as convincing as the time where you tried to convince everyone that the show hates you for being a man and tries to emasculate you with events that totally happened (but not really) like Jen winning against Bruce in rock throwing in episode one.


    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    Do you know the phrase "Cui Bono"? In english it would be about "who profits?". If you ask yourself who profits from the hatred and disinformation that those Twitter accounts spew, then you would quickly realize that the benefitiaries are
    1) Marvel/Disney, who can pretend that their show is great and only misogynists dislike it, just as they have done with Captain Marvel,
    2) Jessica Gao, who can hide her incompetence and lazyness behind the misogynist argument. "I am right, and the only reason you think I am wrong is because you hate me and everyone like me! Hater! Hater!". I hope I do not have to explain to you the fallacy of this argument. After all you are the guy that keeps telling other people how shit their arguments are, so you should recognize it.
    Cui bono is actually usually translated as "for whose benefit", not profit. That would be "cui prodest". As to who prodests, as @Ivanstone pointed out, it'd be the kind of YouTubers and other content providers that count on outrage clicks from the kind of people that are deranged enough to convince themselves that a TV show is out to get them for having a penis.


    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    It really does not take any leap in logic to understand this. The alternative is that some people have such a low self esteem, that they have build their entire identity on that show with its runtime of just over an 1,5 hours combined, and thus will spend hours in their basements to create fake posters and stuff just so they can attack the critics. Certainly that is possible, but it is quite sad.
    Ah, I see. So the idea that at least some of the reviews that contain not only false information about the events of the show, but also keep getting spammed in the parts of the Internet that have a teeny tiny issue with women indicates some review bombing going on is merely an assumption that cannot be proven, but the idea that Disney is behind the Twitter accounts leading the war against incel posts against the show is such a surefire hit it doesn't take a leap in logic to get that conclusion. And the alternative to that is the option that the incel posts themselves are from fake accounts created by some low self esteem people.

    See, there are some issues with that. First of all, in the first option you're not actually denying the validity of the "incel" posts, it's only the accounts fighting them that are fraudulent ploy by Disney. But your alternative is about how the "incel" accounts are fake. Which makes it no real alternative, as both could then be true at once and evil Disney could be behind the fake accounts attacking the other fake accounts that only pretend to be "incels". So you din't think this through.

    Secondly, you left out the possibility that there are indeed incels out there spreading BS about the show in their usual impotent rage. Do you think they are an urban legend, or what? The funny thing here is that what you wrote here describes such people to a T, yet that didn't dawn on you even when you accidentally stumbled on that.



    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    Ah, what a burn. I would almost feel it if I wasn't aware that your constant insults are just a result of your own insecurity. The fact that you are just parroting what this little echo chamber is producing instead of thinking for yourself, is yet another indication. Maybe one day we will have an actual talk, but this is not that day.
    Yes, yes, project harder. Means so much to me. Also, as per usual, it is cute that you think just because more than one person points out the obvious flaws in your barrage of nonsense it must only be they are parroting each other. Sure is convenient to your fantasy that everything that exists, including the people disagreeing with you or even the objective reality disproving your claims, somehow validates your opinion further.


    Quote Originally Posted by Raisei View Post
    In any case, I think I wasted more then enough time on you and this thread. There is no discussion to be had here. So you are now free to circle jerk to your hearts content.
    Given how you said that a few times in this thread already, yet still come back again and again (like a totally secure person would do), I'll believe it when I see that.


    Quote Originally Posted by Fortress of Arrogance View Post
    Hells, the Family Codex of Russian Federation would be a great example.
    Paragraph 48, point 2 states that, if the child is born 300 standard days later after divorce, then ex-husband is enlisted as a father automatically.
    You might say that it is quite a good paragraph, but the trick is that pregnancy lasts no more than 270 days.
    Which begs the question.
    While there are some countries iffy with recourse for men on proving they are not the father, like France, this bit ain't that. This is just the assumption that the husband (or recently divorced ex-husband) is the father to speed things up, based on the general fact of life that people married to each other have sex with each other at least on occasion. An assumption that can be then disproved. And pregnancies do last more than 270 days. That's kinda why it's in the law. And it's been that case since literally Roman times, as such laws are taken straight from the Roman law and based on the knowledge that such exceptions do sometimes happen. That's also why some legal systems have an assumption going in the other direction, that the father is someone who had sex with the mother at least 180 days before birth, because it's the exception to live births going the other way around.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Does the CIA pay you for your bullshit or are you just bootlicking in your free time?
    Quote Originally Posted by Mirishka View Post
    I'm quite tired of people who dislike something/disagree with something while attacking/insulting anyone that disagrees. Its as if at some point, people forgot how opinions work.

  7. #2107
    Quote Originally Posted by Dalinos View Post
    Oh no, you misunderstood. My degree (as in, what I studied in Uni) is in Economics, not English. I was using the words differently - I have a measure of mastery over English would be a synonymous phrase. Helpful Wikipedia article you linked. I just find it quite hypocritical that someone with just under 17k posts on a fan-made gaming forum would call others out regarding internet media addiction. A bit of "Pot calling the kettle black" action going on here. I mean, my MMO-champion account is as old as yours, and I'm not even close to 1k posts.
    Being terminally online has nothing to do with internet media addiction. It has to do with seeing everything through the lens of internet cultural phenomenon. For example, a terminally online person thinks the dialogue on their Twitter feed is an accurate representation of broader public discourse. It's a form of social and informational insulation that is particularly pernicious because the nature of being online makes someone think they are not insulated.

    It's interesting that even after being quite clearly corrected, you have continued to double down on a really bad misunderstanding of the term in order to score what you seem to think is some kind of gotcha, and a particularly weak one when you consider that nobody in my household has even had an account on a social media website in over five years.
    "stop puting you idiotic liberal words into my mouth"
    -ynnady

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