[TV] She-Hulk: Attorney at Law (*SPOILERS*)

[Geckoo]

this is EXACTLY what is happening here. your claims aside, you obviously do not like the show. yet you and people like you.. keep coming here. you keep coming to express yur negative opinions about the show you do not like, drowning out any. other. discussion.

There are very few posters around here and they keep engaging in long arguments with anyone who has a negative opinion. It's arguing for the sake of arguing.
So go ahead and discuss whatever you want about the show! if that discussion doesn't go anywhere it won't be because someone comes and writes down his negative opinion, it will be because those few posters will feel the urge to answer to that opinion point by point.

[Darththeo]

yada yada yada funny, joke. If that's your argument, then a) opinions about funny and joke are opinions and count for nothing here, as you have clearly established. b) but you used to argue that Stark should have been crushed on that wall, so that then wasn't a joke? yay double standards when it fits. c) if you find funny people dropping on their face, then i guess your empathy sucks. People have died from awkward drops. And no, surviving ANY drop is not funny. Only kids and humanoids with animal thinking laugh. When people drop we should be worried, not laughing, even if the only consequence is just false tooth faces broken.

A) Yes, because just because someone doesn't like a joke doesn't make it not a joke, or that the joke is poorly written. I stopped liking jokes on South Park, they were no longer funny for me and often came across as mean spirited rather than poking fun. Rather than go online and whine that South park is poorly written and what is the point of their jokes, I just stopped watching South Park.

B) It was a joke, the point of that argument which you don't seem to have understood is to point out that human do things in the MCU that in the real world would get them hurt. It was pointing out people arguing for your side's hypocrisy and now you are using it to say the other people are hypocrites. You totally misrepresented why that argument was made. This is purely dishonest here, you are mischaracterizing the argument.

C) So, you don't find the Three Stooges funny? All Slapstick isn't funny? People were wrong to find the show Jackass funny? People died from overeating, but overeating is still used for humor. People died in car accidents, but cars are still used for humor. Hell, people die in wars, but we still have war comedies. This argument is literally your worst yet and that is saying something.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

There are very few posters around here and they keep engaging in long arguments with anyone who has a negative opinion. It's arguing for the sake of arguing.
So go ahead and discuss whatever you want about the show!

Yes, when people make up lies about the show...they get called out for it. When people come to shit on the show just to ruin it for others...they will get called out.

There are people that have had legitimate complaints about how the show handled this thing or that thing. Those people don't get called out.

if that discussion doesn't go anywhere it won't be because someone comes and writes down his negative opinion, it will be because those few posters will feel the urge to answer to that opinion point by point.

Alternatively, the people that don't like the show could just go and watch another show that they do like. So many of these posters are either just hate-watching the show so they can come on here and shit all over it...or they just aren't watching the show at all...and they're just regurgitating the opinions of whatever hatebait youtuber they have an unhealthy obsession with.

[Darththeo]

Because I find interesting to see what are the arguments of the defenders of this trainwreck. I must say, I am not impressed as all I can see is that most people here have low standards.

Arguing against bad arguments does not mean people like the show.

I have problems with The Last Jedi, but most of my time online is arguing against people misrepresenting it and lying about it. It doesn't mean I have low standards, it means I have standards for what is acceptable criticism. Which is just you have to honestly portray the show. A deliberate misrepresentation of what the show shows is not valid criticism.

You don't convince anyone who doesn't already agree with you by lying because once it comes out you lied, most people will discount your opinion.

[Hansworst]

or they just aren't watching the show at all...and they're just regurgitating the opinions of whatever hatebait youtuber they have an unhealthy obsession with.

To quote Christopher Waltz:
That's a bingo!

[Fabinas]

if the restaurant doesn't work as a metaphor for you, how about something more on the nose - a book club. you know that things where people gather to discuss the same book that they have all read in a set period of time? some are in private homes, others are at the public place, our local library has 2 different ones going every month for example

I don't think I will ever understand anyone who habitually dislikes to outright hates the books being discuss and yet continues spending their time watching or reading every negative review about the chosen book and then coming to book club gatherings solely to trash those books. and the sad part is that cause those gatherings are at the public library short of outright bans, there isn't even a way to stop you all from continuing to show up and being disruptive

cause that's basically what some of you are doing to a degree that constantly drowns out any other conversation and it is honestly just sad. and exhausting.

There's no need for metaphors. I am here to discuss a show i wanted to watch and now i find it below mediocre, compared to other MCU shows. I am interested in She-Hulk, especially in the fact that it's not a Jekyll and Hyde character and is supposedly one of the stronger heroes existing. Plus, MCU could go forward with her without the rights and licencing problems Banner Hulk has.

But, once more, the show is bad. For reasons i have posted. I'm ok with people disagreeing with me. What i am not ok is the constant attempts of bullying, with twisting rephrases of my comments, with vague dismissals, bad analogues, metaphors and examples of other media, and lastly, being attacked with ad hominems, being called a person with an agenda (also vaguely), a liar and various other stuff.

Why i keep watching this show? Because: 1. I am invested in MCU, 2. i want to see where the Superhero story arc of She Hulk is headed to, 3. I am paying already for D+, so why not.

See, i came to post here after the 4th or 5th episode. I have given time for it to grow on me. It's really bad and i am voicing my concerns, because i want to, on a space appropriate for it.

If some ppl here think this is their turf, it's their problem. I am not going away. Every time this show does something bad, i will be here,stating my opinion. Any attempt to shut me down furthers my resolve. And i will engage with anyone kicking back, instead of discussing, as i see fit, within the rules of conduct of this forum.

Also talking to walls is fun for the first two pages. Then the answers to walls will be just "no".

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this is EXACTLY what is happening here. your claims aside, you obviously do not like the show. yet you and people like you.. keep coming here. you keep coming to express yur negative opinions about the show you do not like, drowning out any. other. discussion.

WHY? what are you trying to accomplish here? do you have so much free time that you willingly chose to spend it on something, continuously that YOU think is that badly done? what is the goal here other then being disruptive?

This is not your forum. I am not disrupting anything by voicing my concerns. Which happen to be ongoing, almost with every episode. New concerns each week.

I will not be ousted because i happen to disagree.

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A) Yes, because just because someone doesn't like a joke doesn't make it not a joke, or that the joke is poorly written. I stopped liking jokes on South Park, they were no longer funny for me and often came across as mean spirited rather than poking fun. Rather than go online and whine that South park is poorly written and what is the point of their jokes, I just stopped watching South Park.

B) It was a joke, the point of that argument which you don't seem to have understood is to point out that human do things in the MCU that in the real world would get them hurt. It was pointing out people arguing for your side's hypocrisy and now you are using it to say the other people are hypocrites. You totally misrepresented why that argument was made. This is purely dishonest here, you are mischaracterizing the argument.

C) So, you don't find the Three Stooges funny? All Slapstick isn't funny? People were wrong to find the show Jackass funny? People died from overeating, but overeating is still used for humor. People died in car accidents, but cars are still used for humor. Hell, people die in wars, but we still have war comedies. This argument is literally your worst yet and that is saying something.

Just replying to c.The others are already answered before and i won't engage on cyclical discussions

What majority does doesn't mean it's mature, well meant or good spirited. Also does not ensure quality.

Personally, i stopped laughing with drops in my early adulthood. I don't even laugh when the person dropping is laughing themselves. I worry.

And Jackass and Slapstick is very very behind us now. You actually attributing that drop to slapstick shows how bad is this show. How childishly written it is. Because, only child brains laugh at an accident of another human being.

[Darththeo]

And Jackass and Slapstick is very very behind us now. You actually attributing that drop to slapstick shows how bad is this show. How childishly written it is. Because, only child brains laugh at an accident of another human being.

And just because you don't like something doesn't make it not mature, well meant, or good spirited.

And you literally are using an ad hominem with the bolded point.

Titania is not "another human being." She is a fictional character in a comedy series. If you cannot separate fiction from reality, you aren't really in a position to comment on the maturity of others. We are not beyond slapstick, there are movies and series that continue to use it today. Jackass is only behind us because the people who created in are not in a position where they can keep doing it because of their age, they are trying to revive it with new casts.

And if you can't laugh when someone is laughing at themselves, I find that to be very sad and not a sign of maturity.

[NineSpine]

There's no need for metaphors. I am here to discuss a show i wanted to watch and now i find it below mediocre, compared to other MCU shows. I am interested in She-Hulk, especially in the fact that it's not a Jekyll and Hyde character and is supposedly one of the stronger heroes existing. Plus, MCU could go forward with her without the rights and licencing problems Banner Hulk has.

But, once more, the show is bad. For reasons i have posted. I'm ok with people disagreeing with me. What i am not ok is the constant attempts of bullying, with twisting rephrases of my comments, with vague dismissals, bad analogues, metaphors and examples of other media, and lastly, being attacked with ad hominems, being called a person with an agenda (also vaguely), a liar and various other stuff.

Why i keep watching this show? Because: 1. I am invested in MCU, 2. i want to see where the Superhero story arc of She Hulk is headed to, 3. I am paying already for D+, so why not.

See, i came to post here after the 4th or 5th episode. I have given time for it to grow on me. It's really bad and i am voicing my concerns, because i want to, on a space appropriate for it.

If some ppl here think this is their turf, it's their problem. I am not going away. Every time this show does something bad, i will be here,stating my opinion. Any attempt to shut me down furthers my resolve. And i will engage with anyone kicking back, instead of discussing, as i see fit, within the rules of conduct of this forum.

Also talking to walls is fun for the first two pages. Then the answers to walls will be just "no".

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This is not your forum. I am not disrupting anything by voicing my concerns. Which happen to be ongoing, almost with every episode. New concerns each week.

I will not be ousted because i happen to disagree.

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Just replying to c.The others are already answered before and i won't engage on cyclical discussions

What majority does doesn't mean it's mature, well meant or good spirited. Also does not ensure quality.

Personally, i stopped laughing with drops in my early adulthood. I don't even laugh when the person dropping is laughing themselves. I worry.

And Jackass and Slapstick is very very behind us now. You actually attributing that drop to slapstick shows how bad is this show. How childishly written it is. Because, only child brains laugh at an accident of another human being.

You spent hours arguing that the rules for Jen and Bruce are different and that that indicates bad writing, and then when it was pointed out to you that Bruce specifically stated that Jen's blood had healing power that exceeded his own, to the point where he used it to heal himself, you near-literally folded your arms and huffed and puffed out of the conversation, declaring that you were right all along. It was embarrassing then, and stepping away from the thread for a day or two and coming back like it never happened doesn't change that.

The bottom line is that someone who is here to honestly discusses the show simply states "Oh shit, I forgot Bruce said that, you were right and I was mistaken." But we all know that you aren't here to discuss the show honestly, so spare us the long, boring explanations of how bullied you are. You come in here, say objectively false shit, and then when called on it throw a little fit and storm out.

[s_bushido]

And Jackass and Slapstick is very very behind us now. You actually attributing that drop to slapstick shows how bad is this show. How childishly written it is. Because, only child brains laugh at an accident of another human being.

This is incredibly pathetic.

Half of Tony Starks "building the suit" scenes in the very first MCU movie involve the audience laughing at him as he accidentally injures himself testing his equipment. And that's even without the context of this character in this show...who has been portrayed as a self-absorbed shitbag who the audience will be actively rooting against. So it's pretty rich that you're here whining about it being "mean-spirited" that she gets her comeuppance, when that character's entire purpose in the show so far is to be a mean-spirited foil for the protagonist.

[NineSpine]

This is incredibly pathetic.

Half of Tony Starks "building the suit" scenes in the very first MCU movie involve the audience laughing at him as he accidentally injures himself testing his equipment. And that's even without the context of this character in this show...who has been portrayed as a self-absorbed shitbag who the audience will be actively rooting against. So it's pretty rich that you're here whining about it being "mean-spirited" that she gets her comeuppance, when that character's entire purpose in the show so far is to be a mean-spirited foil for the protagonist.

It's amazing how "Remember when Tony rocketed himself into a concrete wall" has now refuted TWO DIFFERENT ARGUMENTS that this dude has made.

[Karlz0rz]

Episode 7 was definitely the best so far.
As for the show as a whole, I'd rate it a solid 6.
The layer stuff is pretty bad, and this coming from a guy who has zero idea of lawyering :P.
It's a superho show, but I feel the superhero aspect is very much lacking, barring the first episode where there were a bit of a training montage.
The humor is the only thing that I appreciate every episode!

[Darththeo]

It's amazing how "Remember when Tony rocketed himself into a concrete wall" has now refuted TWO DIFFERENT ARGUMENTS that this dude has made.

What is funny is he is using the fact we used it in the first argument to call us hypocrites in this one.

[Ringthane]

Some of you people could argue pointless, idiot arguments until the heat death of the universe. Shut up, already. Nobody but you cares.

[eschatological]

But that's not what is happening here. People share their opinion of the show, sometimes with arguments and sometimes without. I have yet to see someone thrashing this show for fun. That does happen on the internet for sure, but i have yet to see it here.The show has poor writing, bad pace, and average acting. Not my fault if you have low standards.

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A restaurant is a private place (as this forum is) where you come to buy and consume a product. I have yet to see what we are buying here.

Let's assume your criticisms are valid. Most of them are not, they're based on lies and deliberate re-framings of what's actually shown in the show, but let's assume.

It's still weird and toxic behavior to continue to frequent the book club which reads only trashy beach reads, when you hate them and find the writing middling and the plot contrived. If you're looking for great writing, join the book clubs that are reading the classics.

Like, I don't consume media I don't like. It's real simple. I don't care for anime, I don't watch it, and....I don't participate in the anime threads (except as a moderator, when I get reports in them).

[Specialka]

Let's assume your criticisms are valid. Most of them are not, they're based on lies and deliberate re-framings of what's actually shown in the show, but let's assume.

It's still weird and toxic behavior to continue to frequent the book club which reads only trashy beach reads, when you hate them and find the writing middling and the plot contrived. If you're looking for great writing, join the book clubs that are reading the classics.

Like, I don't consume media I don't like. It's real simple. I don't care for anime, I don't watch it, and....I don't participate in the anime threads (except as a moderator, when I get reports in them).

But funnily enough, there are good beach book as you call them. This show is not. Again, difference in standards. You are free to like the show, but I am free to say that you have low standards. When I start something, I tend to finish it to see where it is going. That's called curiosity.

[Fabinas]

You spent hours arguing that the rules for Jen and Bruce are different and that that indicates bad writing, and then when it was pointed out to you that Bruce specifically stated that Jen's blood had healing power that exceeded his own, to the point where he used it to heal himself, you near-literally folded your arms and huffed and puffed out of the conversation, declaring that you were right all along. It was embarrassing then, and stepping away from the thread for a day or two and coming back like it never happened doesn't change that.

The bottom line is that someone who is here to honestly discusses the show simply states "Oh shit, I forgot Bruce said that, you were right and I was mistaken." But we all know that you aren't here to discuss the show honestly, so spare us the long, boring explanations of how bullied you are. You come in here, say objectively false shit, and then when called on it throw a little fit and storm out.

I never discussed that point cause it was and still is irrelevant to the discussion we had. So, i ignored it. Now you know also why, since you didn't get it the first time.

[Endus]

But funnily enough, there are good beach book as you call them. This show is not. Again, difference in standards. You are free to like the show, but I am free to say that you have low standards. When I start something, I tend to finish it to see where it is going. That's called curiosity.

And yet, we still don't have any reasonable argument that there's anything wrong or bad with the show. By anyone. Just a lot of empty whinging and, in most cases, outright dishonesty about what actually happens in the show.

"I don't like a thing" is not the same as "the thing is bad/substandard". Especially when you can't objectively demonstrate any real problems it has. The CGI can be a bit dodgy at times, likely due to budget. That's the only real criticism that's been leveled against the show. The rest is either made-up nonsense that is objectively untrue, failures to actually pay attention to the show, or agenda-driven bullshit. Sometimes all three at once.

[Fabinas]

This is incredibly pathetic.

Half of Tony Starks "building the suit" scenes in the very first MCU movie involve the audience laughing at him as he accidentally injures himself testing his equipment. And that's even without the context of this character in this show...who has been portrayed as a self-absorbed shitbag who the audience will be actively rooting against. So it's pretty rich that you're here whining about it being "mean-spirited" that she gets her comeuppance, when that character's entire purpose in the show so far is to be a mean-spirited foil for the protagonist.

Keep on laughing. It was established earlier in this thread that funny is subjective.

Comeuppance would have been if She-hulk smashed her veneers. That was just unfortunate. Except if you go into karma shit and stuff which is still pathetic as writing.

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Let's assume your criticisms are valid. Most of them are not, they're based on lies and deliberate re-framings of what's actually shown in the show, but let's assume.

It's still weird and toxic behavior to continue to frequent the book club which reads only trashy beach reads, when you hate them and find the writing middling and the plot contrived. If you're looking for great writing, join the book clubs that are reading the classics.

Like, I don't consume media I don't like. It's real simple. I don't care for anime, I don't watch it, and....I don't participate in the anime threads (except as a moderator, when I get reports in them).

So, explain to me, in a moderate way, why my criticisms are not valid.

Wait, you're parroting Endus. Forget it.

Just NO.

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And yet, we still don't have any reasonable argument that there's anything wrong or bad with the show. By anyone. Just a lot of empty whinging and, in most cases, outright dishonesty about what actually happens in the show.

"I don't like a thing" is not the same as "the thing is bad/substandard". Especially when you can't objectively demonstrate any real problems it has. The CGI can be a bit dodgy at times, likely due to budget. That's the only real criticism that's been leveled against the show. The rest is either made-up nonsense that is objectively untrue, failures to actually pay attention to the show, or agenda-driven bullshit. Sometimes all three at once.

Keep at dismissing obvious inconsistencies within the same show. Your arguments are misleading and you're debating dishonestly.

NO.

[Darththeo]

Keep on laughing. It was established earlier in this thread that funny is subjective.

Comeuppance would have been if She-hulk smashed her veneers. That was just unfortunate. Except if you go into karma shit and stuff which is still pathetic as writing.

This is nonsense. No, that's not what comeuppance would remotely require.

Nothing happens in a show without intent as it is written material. The intent of the veneers smashed is Titania's comeuppance. There is no need to get into Karma shit. The writer's intended karmic comeuppance. This again is "I don't like this" therefore "It is bad." argumentation.

Keep at dismissing obvious inconsistencies within the same show. Your arguments are misleading and you're debating dishonestly.

NO.

You are arguing that the writing is bad. People are responding with the writing is standard for the MCU. You demand people prove the writing good, which isn't the argument that people are making.

No one's arguments are misleading, you just either are purposefully misrepresenting what people are saying or lack understanding of the arguments presented to you.

[Endus]

Keep at dismissing obvious inconsistencies within the same show. Your arguments are misleading and you're debating dishonestly.

NO.

There are no "obvious inconsistencies". Every time you've made that claim, you made it up out of nothing, and it was debunked (not "dismissed") by myself and/or another poster, with concrete proof. You're just projecting in a "NO U" format at this point.

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You are arguing that the writing is bad. People are responding with the writing is standard for the MCU. You demand people prove the writing good, which isn't the argument that people are making.

I know I for sure have not made any argument that the writing for She-Hulk is "good". It's . . . fine. Most of the MCU writing is fine. They're not high art, and don't try to be, so it would be ridiculous to describe them as "failing" due to not hitting that high bar.

The cast is escalating some pretty standard writing, I'd say. But yeah; my debunking claims of "bad writing" is not me arguing the writing is super slick and refined. This isn't a binary, where it's one or the other.