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    I think people panicking once one person starts screaming seems like the norm to me. It's not for nothing that you regularly get human stampedes with several deaths and lots of severe injuries just from one person saying they think they saw a bomb or even just having an anxiety attack in tightly packed places. One or two people screaming from someone tearing down a TV-wall and the rest panicking with them is not really far fetched compared to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Because Hollywood was wildly sexist for decades, yes. And still is, in a lot of ways, though it's finally started to improve in the last couple decades. The base argument here was that "women aren't as funny as men", and that's just straight-up misogynistic hatemongering.
    Sexism in Hollywood is the least of their problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    Sexism in Hollywood is the least of their problems.
    What is their biggest problem?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    What is their biggest problem?
    Oh I dunno, complicity in the child sex trafficking ring run by Epstein and his wife? A lot of celebrities partook in the abuse and victimization of minors and not one of them has paid the price for their participation. It doesn't really surprise me though, because the entertainment media sure as hell isn't holding their feet to the fire like they deserve, considering they are handwaving the child grooming allegations and other criminal behavior of Ezra Miller and Weinstein got away with abusive shit for 40 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    Oh I dunno, complicity in the child sex trafficking ring run by Epstein and his wife? A lot of celebrities partook in the abuse and victimization of minors and not one of them has paid the price for their participation. It doesn't really surprise me though, because the entertainment media sure as hell isn't holding their feet to the fire like they deserve, considering they are handwaving the child grooming allegations and other criminal behavior of Ezra Miller and Weinstein got away with abusive shit for 40 years.
    If you have any evidence of any celebrities being involved in Epstein's child sex trafficking or any other crimes related to the abuse of children...you should present it to the authorities. The legal system failed with Epstein.

    Ezra Miller should probably be investigated, arrested, and prosecuted...but that's a matter for the police and the courts...not Hollywood. Discovery Warner standing by Ezra is a black mark on them... and capitalism... but not Hollywood in general.

    And Weinstein got away with it for 40 years specifically because of Sexism in Hollywood.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    And Weinstein got away with it for 40 years specifically because of Sexism in Hollywood.
    Yeah I don’t understand how someone can call sexism “the least” of Hollywood’s problems while also referencing Weinstein as one of its biggest…

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rennadrel View Post
    Sexism in Hollywood is the least of their problems.
    IDK about "the least", but even if it WAS (and it so, so isn't) - okay? Does that mean it's therefore NOT a problem? Does that mean you can only engage with THE biggest problem and nothing else? Or how many of the top X "big" problems are we required to engage with first, before we get to that one? Is there a list somewhere? Or is this... just some vapid bullshit statement utterly devoid of actual content?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VMSmith View Post
    I'd list Wanda Sykes, Julia-Louise Dreyfuss, Allison Janney, Tig Notaro, and Samantha Bee as the female comedians I enjoy. There's others, like Sarah Silverman, Kristen Wiig, Kristen Bell, Kate McKinnon and such, but that's my top 5.

    As for female-led shows ... all I can think of off the top of my head is "Mom", which is fantastic. But we don't really watch much TV, and what we do watch tends to be more ensemble like the various Star Trek shows. Hmm, I guess Lower Decks could technically be a female-led comedy, as well. But, again, it's really more of an ensemble.

    eta: Ooh, Ghosts is a female-led comedy! Still an ensemble, as well, but the main character that the show focuses on is a woman.
    Fabulous Mrs. Maisel deserves a shoutout here too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    IDK about "the least", but even if it WAS (and it so, so isn't) - okay? Does that mean it's therefore NOT a problem? Does that mean you can only engage with THE biggest problem and nothing else? Or how many of the top X "big" problems are we required to engage with first, before we get to that one? Is there a list somewhere? Or is this... just some vapid bullshit statement utterly devoid of actual content?
    It's a deflection. I mean, even if we concede that sexism is not the biggest problem in Hollywood (and that's not that hard of a concession to make.. Hollywood is not short on problems)...he's saying it's the least...that every other problem in Hollywood is worse than women being treated as less then men. According to him, Ezra Miller ( who is definitely problematic....but still only a single individual), is a bigger problem than sexism.

    And Weinstein, who is certainly a bad dude, isn't actually a problem anymore. But the environment that allowed him to get away with it for so long, again according to him, is the least of the problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    Fabulous Mrs. Maisel deserves a shoutout here too.
    I believe it's "Marvelous Ms. Maisel"
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    It's a deflection. I mean, even if we concede that sexism is not the biggest problem in Hollywood (and that's not that hard of a concession to make.. Hollywood is not short on problems)...he's saying it's the least...that every other problem in Hollywood is worse than women being treated as less then men. According to him, Ezra Miller ( who is definitely problematic....but still only a single individual), is a bigger problem than sexism.

    And Weinstein, who is certainly a bad dude, isn't actually a problem anymore. But the environment that allowed him to get away with it for so long, again according to him, is the least of the problems.

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    I believe it's "Marvelous Ms. Maisel"
    That's nice champ. Now go be pedantic somewhere else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lobosan View Post
    That's nice champ. Now go be pedantic somewhere else.
    Okay grumpy gus. I just figured if you wanted to give a "shout out" to a show... you might want to get the name right.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    I am thoroughly enjoying this series, moreso than Loki at least.

    The comedy in it is just spot on and hilarious, and the most recent episode left me in a "uh oh!" state, despite the 1st 6 eps being just pure comedy.


    I can see how some people don't like the fact that it's not super serious like other marvel movies/series, but I do find it unfortunate that people are just writing it off as bad because of the twerking post-credit scene (which was amazing imo)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamas102 View Post
    No one is going to call out this idiot for apparently being unaware of a 7 season award winning show called Veep that very much centered around one of the aforementioned women?
    Jesus, thank Christ someone said it. Imagine thinking Julia Louis frickin Dreyfuss was a side character. Her two major roles have been fucking Seinfeld and Veep. I think it's also a not-uncontroversial opinion that she was the best character on Seinfeld too, upstaging Jerry and George in later seasons. She was on SNL before that.

    Also, network sitcoms aren't usually popular around here (for good reason, they're basically formulaic and bland), but Janney has been the co-lead (with Anna Faris) on a very successful sitcom called Mom. Never saw an episode, but it lasted for 8 seasons on network TV, which is syndication levels of mainstay comedy. Even in The West Wing she was chief of staff and a major character by the later seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Jesus, thank Christ someone said it. Imagine thinking Julia Louis frickin Dreyfuss was a side character. Her two major roles have been fucking Seinfeld and Veep. I think it's also a not-uncontroversial opinion that she was the best character on Seinfeld too, upstaging Jerry and George in later seasons. She was on SNL before that.

    Also, network sitcoms aren't usually popular around here (for good reason, they're basically formulaic and bland), but Janney has been the co-lead (with Anna Faris) on a very successful sitcom called Mom. Never saw an episode, but it lasted for 8 seasons on network TV, which is syndication levels of mainstay comedy. Even in The West Wing she was chief of staff and a major character by the later seasons.
    Julia Lewis is a side character in Seinfeld. The main character Im sure you can figure out. Hints in the name. OK so Veep? Cool. I asked for 5. At least that show is this century compared to the likes of golden girls I guess
    Suri Cruise and Katie Holmes are SP's.

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    Thinking about it more, pretty much every female comedian I've listened to has been great and it's easier to list the ones I don't care for, that being Melissa McCarthy and Amy Schumer. Their humor just doesn't land with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    Cool. I asked for 5.
    No one is under any obligation to help you justify your dumbass "derr, but women not funny tho" assertion for you.

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    Watching the most recent episode, I can't help but notice how much Daredevil has changed. Like his whole personality felt different.

    Today I was thinking, though I doubt he would actually be, but perhaps he is a Skrull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    list 5 super successful female comedians
    Chelsea Peretti
    Taylor Tomlinson
    Whitney Cummings
    Nikki Glaser
    Ali Wong
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    Watching the most recent episode, I can't help but notice how much Daredevil has changed. Like his whole personality felt different.

    Today I was thinking, though I doubt he would actually be, but perhaps he is a Skrull.
    The only thing that really changed for Matt was that he's no longer suffering from his crippling levels of self-destructive anger. This is more "the real Matt Murdock" than the Netflix show was, and that show was largely about everyone in Matt's life trying to get him to work through that and stop trying to get himself killed. And by the end, he basically had.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The only thing that really changed for Matt was that he's no longer suffering from his crippling levels of self-destructive anger. This is more "the real Matt Murdock" than the Netflix show was, and that show was largely about everyone in Matt's life trying to get him to work through that and stop trying to get himself killed. And by the end, he basically had.
    One thing that stood out, was how quick he was to give up his secret identity. That was very out of character for him. Walking around during daylight as Daredevil as well was out of character. And him just being more silly also felt out of character for him.

    I get that it fits the vibe of the show, but it felt off putting to me to see him acting quite differently from the Matt Murdoc we knew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    One thing that stood out, was how quick he was to give up his secret identity. That was very out of character for him.
    I mean, Jen knew Matt (briefly). And she grabbed him and yanked his mask off. So the cat was kinda out of the bag at that point.

    Walking around during daylight as Daredevil as well was out of character. And him just being more silly also felt out of character for him.
    As opposed to what? He doesn't have other clothes. Nothing Jen has would fit him. He probably doesn't even have a wallet with him to pay for a cab. And he's supposed to be blind, so if he's not costumed, and anyone who knows him recognizes him, it'll be super suspicious how he's managing to cope without his cane.

    Nobody in LA is hunting Daredevil and he isn't breaking laws (that the police are aware about at this point, at least), so wearing the suit's just the only real option.


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