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    Quote Originally Posted by Garymorilix View Post
    That's not how it works tho.

    They found a clever way to use characters from their non-MCU shows but that doesn't make it automatically part of the MCU.
    The Tobey and Andrew spider man movies are not MCU either, despite now them being considered an "alternative universe" in the multiverse.
    There is a difference to be made between a universe and a multiverse as far as what is canon in a timeline and what is canon on a different timeline.

    This is clearly the narrative plan for Marvel for Secret Wars: bring everything that works together then reset to one universe again with all our beloved characters and end the multiverse.
    I get the feeling there is a lack of official stance on what is and what is not canon from Marvel Studios as they want to keep everything on that table in the event that they can either legally, or logically use content in the future. Saves them from needing to flip flop on statements.

    With that, it makes it difficult to say as a fact what is, or even what can be canon in the MCU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    If Kamala can be a mutant, there can be others.
    And the Inhumans are in the MCU. They're in both Agents of SHIELD and in their own TV show.



    You have no official source for this.

    Meanwhile, from Marvel.com; https://www.marvel.com/articles/tv-s...dock-daredevil

    "Jennifer Walters has finally met her match in Matt Murdock. While the character was teased earlier in the season, he’s finally reintroduced to audiences in Episode 8 of Marvel Studios’ She-Hulk — and he’s very much the same Matt Murdock audiences have come to know and love over the years, once again played by Charlie Cox returning to the role."



    AoS integrally set up Captain America: Civil War. It was very much official MCU canon. It may have diverged from that, especially once it got to time travel shenanigans, but it was canonically part of the MCU when it launched.



    Works perfectly fine in this medium. Literally don't know what you're talking about.
    The Inhumans show and the Agents of Shield show are not canon in the MCU.
    They never were. AoS wanted to be but was never recognized once it aired.

    The Civil War thing does not mean that it is canon because it was never confirmed in the MCU itself.
    Best case scenario is that the same thing happened in both universes.

    Do you not speak English?
    "and he’s very much the same Matt Murdock audiences have come to know and love over the years" - this does not mean that it is the same character, Born Again was also confirmed to be an MCU origin story not a continuation of the Netflix stuff (which is STILL NOT CANON).
    It means that the character is the same, as in his personality and abilities are the same. Like the many different Dr Stranges in MoM, they're all Dr Strange but in separate universes.
    How is this so hard?

    No it does not work. Sit down gramps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    I get the feeling there is a lack of official stance on what is and what is not canon from Marvel Studios as they want to keep everything on that table in the event that they can either legally, or logically use content in the future. Saves them from needing to flip flop on statements.

    With that, it makes it difficult to say as a fact what is, or even what can be canon in the MCU.
    It's actually very easy to tell.

    Does it have the MCU opening at the beginning? It is MCU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    I get the feeling there is a lack of official stance on what is and what is not canon from Marvel Studios as they want to keep everything on that table in the event that they can either legally, or logically use content in the future. Saves them from needing to flip flop on statements.

    With that, it makes it difficult to say as a fact what is, or even what can be canon in the MCU.
    More to the point, when stuff is made with connections to the MCU and starring the same actors as in the MCU, it's nonsense to claim it's categorically "not canon" unless you have some kind of official statement de-canonizing it. People keep making hard claims as to the canonicity of the Netflix and ABC shows, and failing to actually back that up with any kind of actual official statement, just because they want those shows to be non-canonical for whatever reason.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Garymorilix View Post
    Does it have the MCU opening at the beginning? It is MCU.
    Not the best indicator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garymorilix View Post
    The Inhumans show and the Agents of Shield show are not canon in the MCU.
    They never were. AoS wanted to be but was never recognized once it aired.

    The Civil War thing does not mean that it is canon because it was never confirmed in the MCU itself.
    Best case scenario is that the same thing happened in both universes.
    This isn't a defensible standard for anything. You're literally making up your own headcanon, here.

    Do you not speak English?
    "and he’s very much the same Matt Murdock audiences have come to know and love over the years" - this does not mean that it is the same character, Born Again was also confirmed to be an MCU origin story not a continuation of the Netflix stuff (which is STILL NOT CANON).
    "He's very much the same Matt Murdock" means he's the same Matt Murdock. That's literally what the quote there says. You're again making up a bunch of stuff to try and deflect from the simple statement.

    Does it have the MCU opening at the beginning? It is MCU.
    I'm sure you have an official statement from Marvel confirming that?

    That's just the studio opening, it isn't an MCU opening.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kathandira View Post
    Not the best indicator.

    If you actually open your eyes you can see which say "Marvel Studios" and which say only "Marvel" (as in featuring Marvel characters).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    This isn't a defensible standard for anything. You're literally making up your own headcanon, here.



    "He's very much the same Matt Murdock" means he's the same Matt Murdock. That's literally what the quote there says. You're again making up a bunch of stuff to try and deflect from the simple statement.



    I'm sure you have an official statement from Marvel confirming that?

    That's just the studio opening, it isn't an MCU opening.
    There is no canon regarding AoS so I literally cannot make up headcanon.

    Daredevil: Born Again is designed to be a standalone series.
    Speaking to Extra, series star Charlie Cox noted that when discussing Born Again with Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige, the show was described as a beginning rather than a continuation of the Netflix series. "It is a Season 1, it is not Season 4, so it is a whole new thing," Cox said. "Which I think is the way to go. If you are going to do it again, do it differently."


    Marvel Studios' movies/series are MCU. Case and point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garymorilix View Post
    If you actually open your eyes you can see which say "Marvel Studios" and which say only "Marvel" (as in featuring Marvel characters).
    Avengers Assemble just said "Marvel"
    Iron Man 3 just said "Marvel"

    They changed up the splash screen pretty often early on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garymorilix View Post
    If you actually open your eyes you can see which say "Marvel Studios" and which say only "Marvel" (as in featuring Marvel characters).
    Again, that's about the production studio creating the product, not the cinematic universe it belongs to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garymorilix View Post
    There is no canon regarding AoS so I literally cannot make up headcanon.
    Claiming that there's no canon is you making up headcanon.

    Daredevil: Born Again is designed to be a standalone series.
    Speaking to Extra, series star Charlie Cox noted that when discussing Born Again with Marvel Studios President Kevin Feige, the show was described as a beginning rather than a continuation of the Netflix series. "It is a Season 1, it is not Season 4, so it is a whole new thing," Cox said. "Which I think is the way to go. If you are going to do it again, do it differently."

    Marvel Studios' movies/series are MCU. Case and point.
    That quote in no way suggests he's not a continuation of that same character. That's talking about whether it's continuing storylines, or if it's starting off fresh so new viewers don't have to catch up on the previous seasons.

    It's like when they start a new run in the comics for a character and start at Issue #1, even though it's not an origin story and it's starting with a character following on from previous runs; it just means those runs aren't necessary backstory for understanding the events in this new run (though they may make references).


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    There were some issues between Marvel and Paramount at that time, hence the different opening.
    I love how you nitpick shit without looking it up.

    Or are you suggesting that the first Avengers and Iron Man 3 are not canon now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garymorilix View Post
    If you actually open your eyes you can see which say "Marvel Studios" and which say only "Marvel" (as in featuring Marvel characters).
    Took the time to go bring it up on Disney+ to check directly; the first Avengers film's intro does not in any way say "Marvel Studios". Just "Marvel".

    By your non-argument, that means the first Avengers film isn't part of the MCU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garymorilix View Post
    There were some issues between Marvel and Paramount at that time, hence the different opening.
    I love how you nitpick shit without looking it up.

    Or are you suggesting that the first Avengers and Iron Man 3 are not canon now?
    We're not suggesting that. You are suggesting that. We're pointing out how silly that is, and why your base premise, that you need a "Marvel Studios" splash for it to be an MCU property canonically, is patently false.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Again, that's about the production studio creating the product, not the cinematic universe it belongs to.

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    Claiming that there's no canon is you making up headcanon.

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    That quote in no way suggests he's not a continuation of that same character. That's talking about whether it's continuing storylines, or if it's starting off fresh so new viewers don't have to catch up on the previous seasons.

    It's like when they start a new run in the comics for a character and start at Issue #1, even though it's not an origin story and it's starting with a character following on from previous runs; it just means those runs aren't necessary backstory for understanding the events in this new run (though they may make references).
    How old are you?

    the show was described as a beginning rather than a continuation of the Netflix series.

    Reading glasses are expensive nowadays?
    This was literally the first thing people asked when it was announced and they CONFIRMED that this is a REBOOT for the MCU.

    The production studio creating the product means IT IS THEIRS. BECAUSE THEY GET THE MONEY WHEN YOU WATCH THE PRODUCT.
    Fuckin Universal cant just wake up one day and make an MCU movie.
    How fuckin abhorrently stupid are you.

    Marvel Studios now basically bought back every single right they sold back in the day so they will most probably NOT out-source anything anymore either.

    It's not like anything you said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garymorilix View Post
    How old are you?

    the show was described as a beginning rather than a continuation of the Netflix series.


    No, it was described as a Season 1, not a Season 4.

    That's not the same thing.

    The production studio creating the product means IT IS THEIRS. BECAUSE THEY GET THE MONEY WHEN YOU WATCH THE PRODUCT.
    What does this have to do with canonicity, again? That's where your argument jumps off the rails.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Took the time to go bring it up on Disney+ to check directly; the first Avengers film's intro does not in any way say "Marvel Studios". Just "Marvel".

    By your non-argument, that means the first Avengers film isn't part of the MCU.

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    We're not suggesting that. You are suggesting that. We're pointing out how silly that is, and why your base premise, that you need a "Marvel Studios" splash for it to be an MCU property canonically, is patently false.
    It is not false, it is directly tied to the legal side of movie making, you fucking potato.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garymorilix View Post
    It is not false, it is directly tied to the legal side of movie making, you fucking potato.
    You keep pointing out the IP ownership angle, but that has nothing to do with canonicity. Companies subcontract things all the time. Fallout: New Vegas was made by Obsidian, not Bethesda, but nobody claims it's not a canonical Fallout game.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
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    No, it was described as a Season 1, not a Season 4.

    That's not the same thing.



    What does this have to do with canonicity, again? That's where your argument jumps off the rails.
    Oh my god you are fucking 70+ years old I bet.

    You would probably fucking argue that the X-men movies are also MCU at this point, or you just selective care about certain non-MCU properties and try to make them MCU for sake of your dementia in your old age.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garymorilix View Post

    It does not fucking matter how She-hulk works in the comics when it doesn't work for the medium they are trying to adapt it into.
    Many characters are not what they are in the comics cuz the comics version wouldn't work in actual movies, that's why its called an adaptation.
    So, when Deadpool is introduced into the MCU and does all the same kinds of thing She-Hulk does...you gonna hate that too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    You keep pointing out the IP ownership angle, but that has nothing to do with canonicity. Companies subcontract things all the time. Fallout: New Vegas was made by Obsidian, not Bethesda, but nobody claims it's not a canonical Fallout game.
    You do not even have a surface level understanding of what the fuck you're talking about. This must be a joke.

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    I think the only way to settle this is to get Kevin Feige on the phone, lol. He decides what is canon or not. And tends to be very quiet about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    So, when Deadpool is introduced into the MCU and does all the same kinds of thing She-Hulk does...you gonna hate that too?
    Dunno, we'll see when it comes out, right?

    I didn't hate She-Hulk until the last episode either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garymorilix View Post
    It is not false, it is directly tied to the legal side of movie making, you fucking potato.
    You need to chill dude. You can disagree with people without resorting to personal attacks.
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