[TV] She-Hulk: Attorney at Law (*SPOILERS*)

[rhorle]

She literally stop Daredevil in taking the bad guy in the parking lot, and get pardoned for that, but don't get a free pass because she got angry at her personal information leaked, a crime, and no one does a thing about it? You guys make arguments like the writers write she-hulk

How do you know that damage control wasn't making a list to take action against her? Do you know she got pardoned? Did you ever stop to consider that maybe intelligencia tipped damage control off? Or that the award show full of rich and high profile people required DC to do something versus a empty parking lot?

The damage when fighting Daredevil also took place the night before she was arrested. Can you say that the two were no linked? How do you know no one did anything about intelligencia? You've made the same type of arguments as you accuse us, and the she-hulk writers, of making. Isn't it strange how we are bad when we do it but you are good when you do it? As I'm sure you are not actually intending to insult yourself as well.

[Darththeo]

Dude, its a big parking lot with multiple cars, that are expensive, every shit market nowadays have one, my neighbourhood have one. There is no excuse, there should be more than one there, people would see this happening and film like it happens many times in those movies, you are again trying to explain way problems with more nonsense.


"this parking lot could be one of of a kind that did not have security cameras" IS BULLSHIT, you are arguing that things should k noledge for everyone like US law system but you assume it SHOULD NOT be one there? when the obvious is that THERE SHOULD be one there?

You are contradicting yourself.

This is a non-argument, you know it. There are tons of parking lots without cameras. And even with lots of cars ... it was at night. Most people are going to be at home or where they are spending the night. There is absolutely no reason to give an explanation here.

Yes, The sokovia accords and the events in civil war are headcanon /s

No, they aren't. But what you are saying is. The Accords actually follow real world logic with registration laws that have been proposed for things like guns. So you saying "It's different" is out of your ignorance.

Bruce is the authority in Gama radiation, he knows about this Hulk stuff and gamma radiation more than anyone else, this is an establish fact in the MCU, thats why they ask for him in the Avengers film.

In the first episode explain its an expensive tech that he took months to develop that was calibrated for himself and it would take months to do one for Jen.

Then, they immediately break this canon by handling one to Jen, like its some shit ass electronic anklet they put on criminals so they don't leave a perimeter.

Good writing am i right? no problems at all, like i said, people have a degree on suspension of disbelief, but if you are doing this in your writing you should be fired.

Because Bruce cares about things being done right, the government cares about things that work. Seriously, this argument is "Bruce took time to make sure his worked exactly as he wanted, therefore, the government couldn't possibly make something that works enough for their needs." is a garbage tier argument. And isn't need to understand the story as there is a completely unknown period of time that passes from Episode I to the end of Blonsky's trial.

NO, that is not the question, the question is "Where it does say he does that"? or better "why that is not in the show?" they don't do it, because they didn't think about it, tis bad written.

You can let the story with wide holes and say tis fine because we can make shit up to fill then

They aren't holes, they are merely unexplained things. Holes require to be actual holes. As for "Why that is not in the show?" because it is completely unneeded for the story they are telling. I have said this to you and your only response is "I say it is."

Still, nothing happens, and you are telling me if they put effort it would be bloated.

Because what you are asking for isn't actual effort but unneeded bloat that improves nothing?

You did with your eyes closed or sleeping?

No, I am not you.

Even if we take your headcanon for granted, the show only tells us she have a problem transform when she is drunk, she was not drunk that time, and its rly convenient for you that her mental block end just when the abomination take off her inhibitor right?

You come up, making all this headcanon out and claim i didn't watch the show, sure.

The show also says that her emotional state impacts the transformation. But, who cares about that? I mean they only said that in the first Episode.

i just explained what happened, those are actual facts:

Fact 1: They have ai incredible powerhouse tech that can negate powers
Fact 2: Bruce Banner, the autority on Gama radiation took months to do one, calibrated for him, The government had one for Jen in less than a day.
Fact 3: Doctor strange 2 introduce the bullshit concept of incursions in the MCU
Fact 4: T'chala, someone above peak-human, was the only one to die by a non-name virus that has no cure, when wakadan could have freeze him until they find the cure

Fact 3 isn't a fact. And they had to do something to with Chadwick's death. I have yet to see Wankanda forever, so I cannot say.
Fact 1 isn't a fact. It is called a inhibitor, all it needs to do is suppress to a certain level; we don't know if it fully negates.
Fact 2 is a fact until the last sentence.

So, the only thing you think is bad written is the "meta show"?

I think this is not rly a matter of "me not understanding the show" but i understood the show too much, more than you, so i can spot all those shenangians that you have to spin around the world to explain away or say they don't matter

Deadpool have a meta perspective and his plot made sense.

You understand the show less than you think I do.

you don't need it, doesn't mean is not necessary. You don't need a good written show that makes sense to enjoy, perfectly fine.

And you need hand holdy bullshit to enjoy a show. Which is objectively worse than what we got.

Exactly, because the writers did a bad job.

By saying Exactly, you are agreeing you were wrong before in your point.

"The possibilities'' are obnoxious given context and are entirely made up that nowhere in the show even tease about that.

The bit about "Jen bought her car, her suits and get hammered in the bar every day because she have credit, because that is a possibility because, in the Us you can get credit" is bogus, is a cry for help.

Not every detail needs in depth explanation. You are arguing the show is badly written, but you want a show that would be objectively worse.

[Syegfryed]

This is a non-argument, you know it. There are tons of parking lots without cameras.

Sorry never saw one, maybe because im not in the superior country of US

No, they aren't. But what you are saying is. The Accords actually follow real world logic with registration laws that have been proposed for things like guns. So you saying "It's different" is out of your ignorance.

No, they clearly are dealing different with super-human beings, you can pretend otherwise all you want.

Because Bruce cares about things being done right,

oh for pete's sake dude, just say you don't have an argument or just drop it, this is embarrassing.

The show also says that her emotional state impacts the transformation. But, who cares about that? I mean they only said that in the first Episode.

You... without knowing, you are giving an example of another plot hole in the show that i missed? that hilarious(sadly, only work if we take your headcanon that the inhibitor doesn't work as truth).

The first episode establish anger and fear can cause the transformation, and she does not transform when her life is in danger in that situation, WHEN SHE WAS NOT DRUNK, completely breaking the canon their made.

Fact 3 isn't a fact. And they had to do something to with Chadwick's death. I have yet to see Wankanda forever, so I cannot say.

No its a fact, T'chala is a super human being and was the only one that died by a super secret unknown virus while they were not quickly enough to find the cure, and they could have freeze him until they find the cure.

Yes, they have to do something with the actor death, either recast him or give him an actual meaningful and heroic death, but that would require effort and good writing that you would probably claim it would make the move bloated or worse, hilarious.

Fact 1 isn't a fact. It is called a inhibitor, all it needs to do is suppress to a certain level; we don't know if it fully negates.

It is a fact, the inhibitor stop the transformation, we know that, they establish it, the bit about "we don't fully know" is your making up

Fact 2 is a fact until the last sentence.

ITs not? she had one ready for her when she got out? lul.

Which is objectively worse than what we got.

Now you are making objective claims without giving any fact or proof of that.

why, if, they fleshed out more the story to make more sense and cohesive would make the show worse? How the show having less holes and contrived bullshit would make the show "shittier"?

You want super hero movies even more dumb and nonsensical? you just want to see the pew pew and pretty lights? i mean that sok, but you get a low quality product like phase 4 had. Shows rushed(See: Echo), bad writen or outright bad.

Not every detail needs in depth explanation. You are arguing the show is badly written, but you want a show that would be objectively worse.

Having then explanation of why things happens does not make the show objectively worse, no matter how many times you say it

You know what is objectively true? that was an objectively bad written show, and you are using headcanon.

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How do you know that damage control wasn't making a list to take action against her? Do you know she got pardoned? Did you ever stop to consider that maybe intelligencia tipped damage control off? Or that the award show full of rich and high profile people required DC to do something versus a empty parking lot?

Yes, we don't know all of that, because the show don't tell us, show to us or even mention about it, its bad written and you keep proving my point without knowing.

Its the classic, don't think, just consume, its over, get ready for another one

[rhorle]

Yes, we don't know all of that, because the show don't tell us, show to us or even mention it, its bad written and you keep proving my point without knowing.

We never know that stuff though. All of the MCU would be badly written according to your argument. Do you consider that to be the case?

At the end the show does say it was a criminal conspiracy against her. So there is at least a blanket "Intelligencia was causing all of that". That isn't even bad writing for a evil group to pulling strings to get the system to turn on someone. It is a common trope and if it was the mafia doing I if you would even be complaining right now.

[Darththeo]

Sorry never saw one, maybe because im not in the superior country of US

I never saw one isn't an argument. There are several near me, and even those that do not have 100% view of everything in them.

No, they clearly are dealing different with super-human beings, you can pretend otherwise all you want.

There is no reason to assume that the process for laws would change.

oh for pete's sake dude, just say you don't have an argument or just drop it, this is embarrassing.

Just because you can't read doesn't make this statement of yours true.

You... without knowing, you are giving an example of another plot hole in the show that i missed? that hilarious(sadly, only work if we take your headcanon that the inhibitor doesn't work as truth).

The first episode establish anger and fear can cause the transformation, and she does not transform when her life is in danger in that situation, WHEN SHE WAS NOT DRUNK, completely breaking the canon their made.

Because that isn't how the transformation ever been shown to work? I mean Bruce didn't change until after he hit the ground in the Incredible Hulk. It isn't "You get angry, you always change." Also, Avengers "That's my secret, Cap. I am always angry." So, it isn't a plot hole at all, it is in line with what was set up in Phase 1.

No its a fact, T'chala is a super human being and was the only one that died by a super secret unknown virus while they were not quickly enough to find the cure, and they could have freeze him until they find the cure.

Yes, they have to do something with the actor death, either recast him or give him an actual meaningful and heroic death, but that would require effort and good writing that you would probably claim it would make the move bloated or worse, hilarious.

Again, I haven't seen the movie, so I cannot comment.

It is a fact, the inhibitor stop the transformation, we know that, they establish it, the bit about "we don't fully know" is your making up

Yes, which doesn't require full negation to do. All it has to do is ... get this ... make it harder for her to transform. Seriously, where did it say this negates transformation, because the thing literally says "Inhibits." While it could be full negation, we aren't told that. Isn't that your problem with the series, that we aren't told stuff?

ITs not? she had one ready for her when she got out? lul.

Doesn't mean it was "made in a day." Just they had one for her. Seriously, it is funny you think you have a point here. You are making shit up.

Now you are making objective claims without giving any fact or proof of that.

Thanks for proving you don't read.

why, if, they fleshed out more the story to make more sense and cohesive would make the show worse? How the show having less holes and contrived bullshit would make the show "shittier"?

Oh it would, but what you are asking for doesn't flesh out the story or make it more cohesive. It does the exact opposite of that.

You want super hero movies even more dumb and nonsensical? you just want to see the pew pew and pretty lights? i mean that sok, but you get a low quality product like phase 4 had. Shows rushed(See: Echo), bad writen or outright bad.

No, but you do. You are arguing for unnecessary details to be explained. You aren't asking for the story to get fleshed out. Where the inhibitor came from is not needed in the story, just its existence. And the fact Bruce was working on one is the only thing most viewers and people need. I don't care where this specific one came from any more than I needed to know how Hammer started trying to build an Iron Man suit in Iron Man 2 or how Black Panther got his powers in Civil War. Getting an explanation for that would not make either of those movies "better."

Having then explanation of why things happens does not make the show objectively worse, no matter how many times you say it

You know what is objectively true? that was an objectively bad written show, and you are using headcanon.

You are wanting detailed explanations for things not hugely important to the plot. So, yes, you are objectively wanting worse writing but convinced yourself it is better because you want shit.

[Syegfryed]

There is no reason to assume that the process for laws would change.

So, if you so well versed in the Us legal system where is the part that says super human criminals that destroyed half a city killed countless of people need to be "legally authorized" to have an inhibitor to shut down their powers when its a matter of public secutiy? go on, i will wait.

Just because you can't read doesn't make this statement of yours true.

You can try to attack me all you want, that doesn't make your arguments better

Because that isn't how the transformation ever been shown to work?

That is ltierally the only thing they show how the transformation work

Again, first episode dude, they establish this in the very first episode. You saw it, or claim you do, you should know about it. There is also other hulk movies, that you can check out.

This reeks of Doctor strange 2. "america xaves powers triggers when she feel danger/is afraid, excep the numerous of times she felt danger and almost died and it didn't trigger" contrived bs plot

Yes, which doesn't require full negation to do.

YOU ARE ASSUMING THEN DON'T FULLY NEGATE IT

WHERE in the show they hint or say that? You are making the show for the, and not realizing how bad the writing was..

Bu hey, if they say that in the show "this is just a prototype, it may have different outcomes depending on who use it, so take care" when they released her, would make the shot shitter, yeah sure, give me a break

Doesn't mean it was "made in a day." Just they had one for her. Seriously, it is funny you think you have a point here. You are making shit up.

Read again? ->

Fact 2: Bruce Banner, the autority on Gama radiation took months to do one, calibrated for him, The government had one for Jen in less than a day.

I said they HAD one in a day. Who is the not reading?

Oh it would, but what you are asking for doesn't flesh out the story or make it more cohesive. It does the exact opposite of that.

Because...? care to elaborate more on that? noooo? i figure it much

No, but you do. You are arguing for unnecessary details to be explained.

Again, you think is unecessary. because:

I don't care

Yes a lot of things boils down to this, you don't care about stuff, therefore you deem then unnecessary, and try to call me out for saying they are.

Case closed.

[Darththeo]

So, if you so well versed in the Us legal system where is the part that says super human criminals that destroyed half a city killed countless of people need to be "legally authorized" to have an inhibitor to shut down their powers when its a matter of public secutiy? go on, i will wait.

Yes, because that's how punishments works. You cannot just make up a punishment for someone. Seriously, what is this crap?

Punishments require authorization. In Civil War, Cap's side was punished based on what was outlined in the Accords. Tony confirms this on the Raft. This is like "Why didn't they do this?" my response is "Because to do that requires legal authorization and we are never shown that happening without it." Again, you seem to have problems when things aren't explained to you, but here, you are whining when they literally show you the authorization of the inhibitor twice in the series for you.

You can try to attack me all you want, that doesn't make your arguments better

Given your complete misunderstanding of them, you can't say this.

That is ltierally the only thing they show how the transformation work

Again, first episode dude, they establish this in the very first episode. You saw it, or claim you do, you should know about it. There is also other hulk movies, that you can check out.

This reeks of Doctor strange 2. "america xaves powers triggers when she feel danger/is afraid, excep the numerous of times she felt danger and almost died and it didn't trigger" contrived bs plot

And we are shown in movies Bruce not changing immediately when his life was in danger. Yes, Episode 1 told us triggers; not absolute statements. We are told that when your life is in danger, you can change. You took that as "You will change always when your life is in danger." despite prior content proving that isn't true. Bruce doesn't always change when his life is endangered, so why would you think Jen should?

We are literally shown America in the first scene of the movie afraid without her powers activating meaning there is likely more than just being afraid that triggers it. I mean the ending of the movie is learning to control her powers and it is implied people can control it. Seriously, do you not pay attention?

YOU ARE ASSUMING THEN DON'T FULLY NEGATE IT

WHERE in the show they hint or say that? You are making the show for the, and not realizing how bad the writing was..

Bu hey, if they say that in the show "this is just a prototype, it may have different outcomes depending on who use it, so take care" when they released her, would make the shot shitter, yeah sure, give me a break

NO, I AM NOT ASSUMING THAT. I am assuming it suppresses the powers making it more difficult to transform. I am saying it is possible we don't have a full negation because the show doesn't tell us that.

Also, holy crap, you don't tell someone who was arrested the thing holding them may not work. You want them to think it works as you say period. Seriously, that would be absolutely dogcrap tier writing to have a character tell anyone that in this story. The only other way to get that is to have random side characters say the line for the audience, and that is craptastic writing too.

I said they HAD one in a day. Who is the not reading?

Still you. And given you are arguing no one else could have made one, come on.

This is still shit, because you are assuming it has to be individually made or design or whatever ... where the hell did you get that?

Because...? care to elaborate more on that? noooo? i figure it much

Because it is irrelevant to the plot. I have said this numerous times.

Yes a lot of things boils down to this, you don't care about stuff, therefore you deem then unnecessary, and try to call me out for saying they are.

Case closed.

How the inhibitor came to be is unneeded for the plot. How does knowing exactly where it came from improve the plot at all? All you said "This is hugely important to the overall story!" So, was Black Panther, a character hinted at in Phase 1; but, we got no information about how his powers work or how exactly he suit works until his own movie. Hawkeye appeared in the first Thor movie for a cameo, but we get no reason why this random SHIELD guy grabbed a bow instead of a gun to take down an intruder.

Having the fallout from the parking garage covered would just end up duplicating the story we already have. There is no reason to do the same exact plot point twice. And there are reasons to accept that any fallout was covered up and not needed to know. While the one where she destroys a wall was at an award show, where people were paying attention specifically to her. Added that in the parking garage, anyone who would be watching that would see that she is defending a client of hers and assume that she was defending him while the award show doesn't have anything that someone could see that would mitigate her actions.

I mean seriously, getting an explanation for the things you are asking for adds nothing to the plot, just makes you happy. If it does nothing for the plot, it is unneeded bloat. You want bloat, therefore you want worse stories. I have explained this to you and your only response is "nuh uh!"

And you are right, the case is closed. You failed to prove your argument. Not once have you given any explanation on how your changes actually improve the story. All you have done is whine your hand wasn't held with explanations.

[Syegfryed]

Yes, because that's how punishments works. You cannot just make up a punishment for someone. Seriously, what is this crap?

So, nothing, gotcha.

And we are shown in movies Bruce not changing immediately when his life was in danger.

Yes, like when the ship in the first avengers movie exploded and he transformed, you know, when is life is in danger. /s

You also ignored how many years Bruce had to struggle to partially control that, you know, showed in 2008 movie? but why would you care about consistency and a cohesive writing right? you already said you don't, so who care about what transform a hulk right? it doesn't matter to the story!

We are literally shown America in the first scene of the movie afraid without her powers activating meaning there is likely more than just being afraid that triggers it. I mean the ending of the movie is learning to control her powers and it is implied people can control it. Seriously, do you not pay attention?

So you didn't paid attention to that either hum? that is at least consistent.

NO, I AM NOT ASSUMING THAT. I am assuming it suppresses the powers making it more difficult to transform. I am saying it is possible we don't have a full negation because the show doesn't tell us that.

"im not assuming, im assuming"

the show don't tell us, exactly the point of bad writing, a good writing show would make those things clear

This is still shit, because you are assuming it has to be individually made ... where the hell did you get that?

The first episode? when He literally says that his was calibrated for him and needed months to do one for Jen?

Because it is irrelevant to the plot. I have said this numerous times.

Stating that over and over doesn't make true, elaborate why its not relevant when we have an inhibitor coming up more than once in the show and how his functions can alter the MCU as a whole

How the inhibitor came to be is unneeded for the plot.

They just make one of the most OP tech items in the MCU, that can stop the hulk from coming out, that directly would affect the dynamic of the MCU and throw in like it was nothing, don't explain why Blonsky is not using all the time, and you are telling me its irrelevant to the plot (that half of it revolves around the case of the Abomination getting out of prison) and should be ignored? Should not be addressed?

This is just a lazy writing mechanic, to keep the plotting going , that they didn't realize how massive it is. Expect this shit to be completely ignored in later movies/shows because is basically a macguffin

How does knowing exactly where it came from improve the plot at all?

Because its more important information, it helps worldbuilding, it enhance the narrative making more believable of why something so strong would exist in the MCU, why theya re not using in super-criminals more, why they didn't use on titania, yada yada

but again, you already said you don't care about all of this and said it would make shittier.

All you said "This is hugely important to the overall story!"

Important? yes, hugely? no, but its what you do when you write, you give context, you make things cohesive that they work with each other without conflicting with things you established or already established. When you don't do that, that is exactly my claim: bad writing.

They make so that Blonsky only use his inhibitor when he leave, but not when he is incarcerated, when he would obviously be... But why? because Shang-chi show him there fighting with Wong, they could have come up with any excuse to explain that event, but what they do? fucking nothing.

Like i said, HOW in the ass Wong teleported Blonsky from his cell and there was no camera footage in his cell area? How the government didn't knew He was out and transform? Those bits are relevant to the plot because that is 1/3 of the show.

But you are telling me nothing of this matter, and if they had their time to flesh this out, write some decent reasons of why he did, how Wong did, so she could explain and win the case in a definitive matter, that would make the show shitter, yeah, sure.

And you are right, the case is closed. You failed to prove your argument. Not once have you given any explanation on how your changes actually improve the story. All you have done is whine your hand wasn't held with explanations.

Literally putting your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes sayings "you failed at everything nnananana"

[rhorle]

the show don't tell us, exactly the point of bad writing, a good writing show would make those things clear

So what MCU films or show do you consider good writing? There has always been details left unanswered and things that were not clear. If they took the time to explain every detail and how it was possible, like wong breaking a prisoner out, there would be no action or excitement on the show. It doesn't even matter for anything. A guard could have been paid off, they could have not cared until the media got wind, or any number of reasons. We don't need to know for it to be good writing.

Even someone like Tolkien didn't explain every last detail and he was a master at world building. They are never shown to use the bathroom though they eat. Does that mean they don't? Is it bad writing because you didn't get that detail? But lets not derail the topic with Tolkien. I just used it because I know you are a fan of his work from another thread.

[Syegfryed]

So what MCU films or show do you consider good writing? There has always been details left unanswered and things that were not clear. If they took the time to explain every detail and how it was possible, like wong breaking a prisoner out, there would be no action or excitement on the show.

Open your eyes, the show barely had excitement or action, it would not take time from the show at all.

It doesn't even matter for anything. A guard could have been paid off, they could have not cared until the media got wind, or any number of reasons. We don't need to know for it to be good writing.

Waow a guard being paid off? that sounds like some exciting stuff they could have put in the lawyer show hum? but alas.

Even someone like Tolkien didn't explain every last detail and he was a master at world building. They are never shown to use the bathroom though they eat.

That is some rly bs arguments and examples right here. This is not the same thing and you know it.

[Witchblade77]

this might be mentioning it a bit late, but.... things like "company car" do exist. like... you get a use of a fancy car because you have to present a certain image to clients, but its not your car, its a company car and you only get to use it as long as you work for the company. its in the same vein as "business expenses" which apply to business dinners, etc... something that even Jen brings up once.

I have a LOT of issues with how she is presented as far as her lawyer abilities go, but... I'm also convinced that its intentional to show that she is not as good as she hopes she is and its part of the source of her insecurities. since Hollywood courts aside, every other lawyer is shown to be more competent and more prepared than she is, so it has GOT to be deliberate since they CAN create illusion of competence when they want to (complete disregard of how courts actualy work aside)

P.S. I think its a failure of whatever school systems some of the posters here went to that they require to be spoon fed everything and cannot read into context clues at all. like everything has to be chewed up and painstakingly overexplained or its a plot hole. its kinda sad, really.

[rhorle]

Open your eyes, the show barely had excitement or action, it would not take time from the show at all. Waow a guard being paid off? that sounds like some exciting stuff they could have put in the lawyer show hum? but alas. That is some rly bs arguments and examples right here. This is not the same thing and you know it.

Every addition takes away. The show had a set runtime and episode count. It is the same argument and example. You are asking for details of things to be explained and saying the lack of an explanation is bad writing. The things you are asking for are not critical to the story being told.

Why is how Damage Control, who is using Stark tech, obtained an inhibitor important? Why is how Abomination going unnoticed important? Why is it important to how victims of random super hero violence are compensated or prosecuted? You keep saying it is bad writing to not mention things that are not important at all. Can you explain why it is critical for the things to be talked about?

You won't even mention if you consider the rest of the MCU to be bad writing as well. You know the things that also don't do what you ask for.

[Syegfryed]

this might be mentioning it a bit late, but.... things like "company car" do exist. like... you get a use of a fancy car because you have to present a certain image to clients, but its not your car, its a company car and you only get to use it as long as you work for the company. its in the same vein as "business expenses" which apply to business dinners, etc... something that even Jen brings up once.

Cute, but they don't mention its a company car, she said it cost her the money when it gets destroyed. Again assuming things because the writers didn't though about it. This is not an information that would be "spoon feed" is an piece that make difference in the narrative because her finacial situation is brought up alter when she leave her house when she should have enough to be there for a few days.

They need her to get be in her family place so her friend could get the embarrassing video, we know that, but without the context is a contriving and convenient macguffing. She need to be in her family house so the plot don't go forward, despite they could ahve brought it up in other way.

I have a LOT of issues with how she is presented as far as her lawyer abilities go, but... I'm also convinced that its intentional to show that she is not as good as she hopes she is and its part of the source of her insecurities. since Hollywood courts aside, every other lawyer is shown to be more competent and more prepared than she is, so it has GOT to be deliberate since they CAN create illusion of competence when they want to (complete disregard of how courts actualy work aside)

Or, because the show writers itself, confirmed they didn't knew how to writer a layer show

P.S. I think its a failure of whatever school systems some of the posters here went to that they require to be spoon fed everything and cannot read into context clues at all. like everything has to be chewed up and painstakingly overexplained or its a plot hole. its kinda sad, really.

Lets not pretend you are not talking about me with this veiled attack to the "school system" but no, this is not about "spoon fed" or overexplained plot, is about you having a story that make sense and is well done and satisfying.

Which snob thinking like this you have bad and braindead content that is regurgitated in streams by the dozen and immediately forgotten so you can watch the new ones. Cause this is what She-hulk was, braindead content that keep you entertained until something else drops.

And don't get me wrong it, entertained me(even people pointless trying to defend entertain me), its silly fun show, i watched two times, could watch a third with no problem, the actress did a good job, but doesn't change the fact it was not well done, had some bullshit and it could have being much better. This reflect with the audience/public reception.

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this might be mentioning it a bit late, but.... things like "company car" do exist. like... you get a use of a fancy car because you have to present a certain image to clients, but its not your car, its a company car and you only get to use it as long as you work for the company. its in the same vein as "business expenses" which apply to business dinners, etc... something that even Jen brings up once.

That is a good point since she was hired specifically to be a walking billboard by the law firm. She had to be She-Hulk for cases and clients to promote the law firm. Her skill didn't even seem to matter much to the firm. Though maybe they could have thrown in a montage of "case closed" to make her skill come across better. To be fair the Netflix shows were light on lawyering from the actual lawyers as well.

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Cute, but they don't mention its a company car, she said it cost her the money when it gets destroyed. Again assuming things because the writers didn't though about it. This is not an information that would be "spoon feed" is an piece that make difference in the narrative because her finacial situation is brought up alter when she leave her house when she should have enough to be there for a few days.

On the news it talks about how a neighbor feels uncomfortable living next door to an unstable super being. It is entirely possible she was forced out by the landlord or didn't want to put up with the media hanging out below her window. At her parents house they can keep them further away because of the yard gives private property that they control. This really isn't a weak point of the story. No Job. No one taking her application. A perceived threat. Media stalking her.

She also doesn't need to be living at her families house to have her friend get an embarrassing video. The show already established she hangs out there and has dinner. The friend easily could have been invited over and seen it then. This is a case of your dislike for the show making malice out of nothing.

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Except normal people would understand that laws in a fictional universe with fictional super-human beings are different and individuals that destroy half a city murdering countless of people by their power would be dealt different than common robbers. The same laws would not apply, we already know the world was changing to deal with super-human beings like with the sokovia accords, its bogus that you think they would work exactly the same while dealing with the fucking abomination.

Why wouldn't they?

Unless you are suggesting that in the MCU they just universally decided that basic human rights don't apply to super powered beings? Which I 1000% guarantee you would straight up not go over well AT ALL. Like, entire comic book franchises and story arc's exist to explicitly point out why something like that is BAD in all sorts of ways.

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How do you know that damage control wasn't making a list to take action against her? Do you know she got pardoned? Did you ever stop to consider that maybe intelligencia tipped damage control off? Or that the award show full of rich and high profile people required DC to do something versus a empty parking lot?

I find it hilarious that he is soooooo freaking obsessed with how "They threw Jen in the prison for supers" is bad writing, yet never once comments on the fact that somehow there was a full Damage Control SWAT team literally deployed and waiting for her after she hulks out for approximately 40 seconds. Like, come on? The 911 operators would barely have had time to pick up the first emergency call by time she smashed through the wall to chase the guy. So why the hell was DC already there and waiting? You wouldn't even get that kind of response time if they were hosting the gala event across the street from the freaking damage control building....... THAT is bad writing. Throwing a super in a super prison isn't.

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Why wouldn't they?

Unless you are suggesting that in the MCU they just universally decided that basic human rights don't apply to super powered beings? Which I 1000% guarantee you would straight up not go over well AT ALL. Like, entire comic book franchises and story arc's exist to explicitly point out why something like that is BAD in all sorts of ways.

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I find it hilarious that he is soooooo freaking obsessed with how "They threw Jen in the prison for supers" is bad writing, yet never once comments on the fact that somehow there was a full Damage Control SWAT team literally deployed and waiting for her after she hulks out for approximately 40 seconds. Like, come on? The 911 operators would barely have had time to pick up the first emergency call by time she smashed through the wall to chase the guy. So why the hell was DC already there and waiting? You wouldn't even get that kind of response time if they were hosting the gala event across the street from the freaking damage control building....... THAT is bad writing. Throwing a super in a super prison isn't.

I assumed that the same people that set up the video to roll in hopes of infuriating Jen enough to Hulk out and smash the screens, were the people who called damage control in advance. anonymous tip and all.

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Why wouldn't they?

Why would they? They have to adapt their system, which is why the sokovian accords were made. World is not the same, they have to reate and adapt stuff to deal with super-human beings and Aliens,

Unless you are suggesting that in the MCU they just universally decided that basic human rights don't apply to super powered beings?

What basic human rights have anything to do with putting an inhibitor in the abomination that killed countless of people and destroyed half a city? How putting something that refrain a criminal into turning to a monster defy the basic human rights?

I find it hilarious that he is soooooo freaking obsessed with how "They threw Jen in the prison for supers" is bad writing, yet never once comments on the fact that somehow there was a full Damage Control SWAT team literally deployed and waiting for her after she hulks out for approximately 40 seconds.

I could, but seeing how people can't put their brain to work again to think about other stuff, they would ignore just like any other thing in the lazy convenient plot that i pointed before.

THAT is bad writing. Throwing a super in a super prison isn't.

Just for show, cause they have an device to stop her from being super, they didn't need to do that.

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On the news it talks about how a neighbor feels uncomfortable living next door to an unstable super being. It is entirely possible she was forced out by the landlord or didn't want to put up with the media hanging out below her window. At her parents house they can keep them further away because of the yard gives private property that they control. This really isn't a weak point of the story. No Job. No one taking her application. A perceived threat. Media stalking her.

Maybe you can write season 2 dude, you are doing a better job than the writers.

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What basic human rights have anything to do with putting an inhibitor in the abomination that killed countless of people and destroyed half a city? How putting something that refrain a criminal into turning to a monster defy the basic human rights?

The same basic human rights that exist right now that say you can't legally do a metric shitload of things to even the most heinous criminal without following due process of the law?

Like, seriously: Unless you have some kind of evidence to suggest that the Sokovia Accords specifically waived a lot of the rights of super powered beings (which we have no evidence that it did), you can't just arbitrarily decide what rights YOU think it is ok for the government to violate when it comes to super powered beings.

[Syegfryed]

The same basic human rights that exist right now that say you can't legally do a metric shitload of things to even the most heinous criminal without following due process of the law?

You are trying to say that putting a device that stop someone into turning a monster is equal as what? inhuman experiments? Lethal injection? torture?

You are seriously arguing that out? Its not even putting him under sedatives, that would also be a valid option, they are just putting a device that does not hurt him, at all, but that is "not legal" it would "defy basic human rights" of the abomination. Putting him into a high tech prison(that have no cameras or sensors) that is basically a jar is ok, but putting an inhibitor? WAow that is going too far! Its amazing how far this bullshit is going on.

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So, nothing, gotcha.

Yes, if you delete and ignore everything I said.

Yes, like when the ship in the first avengers movie exploded and he transformed, you know, when is life is in danger. /s

You also ignored how many years Bruce had to struggle to partially control that, you know, showed in 2008 movie? but why would you care about consistency and a cohesive writing right? you already said you don't, so who care about what transform a hulk right? it doesn't matter to the story!

The incredible hulk. Bruce fell out of the chopper and didn't change until AFTER he hit the ground. Do you think his life wasn't in danger until that point? Seriously, you are arguing about cohesive writing and ignoring Bruce doesn't always change when his life is in danger. Just because you have a point where he did, doesn't disprove there are points where he doesn't. Also, Avengers: Infinity War exists. Hulk refuses to come out even when Bruce's life is in danger.

So, it is cohesive writing to not always change when your life is in danger. You are arguing that they need to write Jen completely differently than Bruce.

So you didn't paid attention to that either hum? that is at least consistent.

And the evidence for this is? Oh nothing, because you were the one that didn't pay attention. After all, you think incursions were introduced in Dr Strange and the Multiverse of Madness and not Loki.

"im not assuming, im assuming"

the show don't tell us, exactly the point of bad writing, a good writing show would make those things clear

Yes, I am making an assumption, I am not making the assumption you said I was. This is a key difference. Just like you assume you paid attention to She-hulk. And all shows, every one, has assumptions left up to the viewer. You are arguing that "All writing is bad writing" but are too blind to see that. Name one show where we aren't left to assume something.

The first episode? when He literally says that his was calibrated for him and needed months to do one for Jen?

For his inhibitor and for him he need to calibrate it. Where does it say that is the rules for all inhibitors? Because it doesn't. You cannot call me out for assuming when you make assumptions too. You don't get to have different rules for you.

Stating that over and over doesn't make true, elaborate why its not relevant when we have an inhibitor coming up more than once in the show and how his functions can alter the MCU as a whole

Correct, it is true because it is true. Tell me how the inhibitor came to be is important to the plot of She-hulk? You just declared it so. A claim without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

They just make one of the most OP tech items in the MCU, that can stop the hulk from coming out, that directly would affect the dynamic of the MCU and throw in like it was nothing, don't explain why Blonsky is not using all the time, and you are telling me its irrelevant to the plot (that half of it revolves around the case of the Abomination getting out of prison) and should be ignored? Should not be addressed?

This is just a lazy writing mechanic, to keep the plotting going , that they didn't realize how massive it is. Expect this shit to be completely ignored in later movies/shows because is basically a macguffin

None of this matters to the plot. Even if I say everything you say is true, none of this actually matters to the plot of She-hulk.

Because its more important information, it helps worldbuilding, it enhance the narrative making more believable of why something so strong would exist in the MCU, why theya re not using in super-criminals more, why they didn't use on titania, yada yada

but again, you already said you don't care about all of this and said it would make shittier.

So again, not relevant to the plot. You are asking for world building. World building is not plot, it's world building. If it isn't needed for the plot, it isn't actually needed. Just like you don't need dessert to have a meal.

And, yes, given an unneeded explanation would make it shittier. Too much world building can drown out the plot of the show or movie. So, yes, it would make it shittier because the only required world building is this: It is possible to build an inhibitor to super powers in the MCU and that the government has that technology. How it was made and where it came from are not relevant, and would be unnecessary details not needed in the show for anyone not you.

Important? yes, hugely? no, but its what you do when you write, you give context, you make things cohesive that they work with each other without conflicting with things you established or already established. When you don't do that, that is exactly my claim: bad writing.

They make so that Blonsky only use his inhibitor when he leave, but not when he is incarcerated, when he would obviously be... But why? because Shang-chi show him there fighting with Wong, they could have come up with any excuse to explain that event, but what they do? fucking nothing.

Like i said, HOW in the ass Wong teleported Blonsky from his cell and there was no camera footage in his cell area? How the government didn't knew He was out and transform? Those bits are relevant to the plot because that is 1/3 of the show.

But you are telling me nothing of this matter, and if they had their time to flesh this out, write some decent reasons of why he did, how Wong did, so she could explain and win the case in a definitive matter, that would make the show shitter, yeah, sure.

Why do you think cameras are everywhere? Also, are you forgetting Wong is magic? Do you think Wong wouldn't do something to make Blonsky's absence forgotten or covered up? We literally have a movie where a plot point is magic can make people forget events. Do you really need She-hulk to have Wong go "Yes, I also charmed the guards and erased the footage of me removing Blonsky"? The answer to you question is Wong is magic. Why do you need to know exactly what happened to understand how something is possible?

Also, we see in the show that the inhibitor requires approval from a court system. Where is the approval to use it while he is in prison? Again, you are just going "Why didn't use it is prison?" like it is a valid question. The show shows you that inhibitors are only used when approved or when put on voluntarily. Where is the evidence any of that happened for Blonsky while in prison? And when I explained this to you, you waved it off without a justification beyond you can't accept what the show tells you.

Literally putting your fingers in your ears and closing your eyes sayings "you failed at everything nnananana"

Pure projection on your part because you don't even understand the difference between plot and world building.

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You are trying to say that putting a device that stop someone into turning a monster is equal as what? inhuman experiments? Lethal injection? torture?

Irrelevant question because it isn't a matter if there are worse punishments. No, it isn't equal to those, but that doesn't actually matter.

You are seriously arguing that out? Its not even putting him under sedatives, that would also be a valid option, they are just putting a device that does not hurt him, at all, but that is "not legal" it would "defy basic human rights" of the abomination. Putting him into a high tech prison(that have no cameras or sensors) that is basically a jar is ok, but putting an inhibitor? WAow that is going too far! Its amazing how far this bullshit is going on.

No one is arguing that. This is something you completely made up. It doesn't matter if there are worse things they could do, the question is more nuanced than that. You literally argued yourself that they government didn't have enough time to make an inhibitor, meaning if they did make one it is likely new/newer technology. New technology would require consent, a law, or court order to use.

So please, show me here Blonsky consented to have an inhibitor put on him in prison, or what law is in effect to allow them to use it (remember the Accords are repealed), or where was the court order to allow it. You can't just wave this off. Again, we see inhibitors put on only with either consent (Bruce with his) or Court Order (Blonsky and Jen with theirs); so why do you think they can just slap one on when someone is in prison?

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And don't get me wrong it, entertained me(even people pointless trying to defend entertain me), its silly fun show, i watched two times, could watch a third with no problem, the actress did a good job, but doesn't change the fact it was not well done, had some bullshit and it could have being much better. This reflect with the audience/public reception.

Again, yes, the show has problems in writing. The problems aren't what you are whining about. Why are you not understanding this? No one is defending the show here, there is you making up problems in the writing and people saying what you are saying is stupid. Stop assigning positions to your opponents.

Again, I posted something like this earlier: You need to learn that not everyone who disagrees with you holds the exact opposite viewpoint. Some people just don't like your nonsense.