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  1. #1761
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    Inhumans are sort of like a mix of the two. Inhumans are a result of Kree experimenting on Humans a long time ago and the "gene", though extremely rare, is still carried by people today. So, they are similar to mutants in that they were born that way....but it also takes exposure to terrigen to activate their abilities.
    To be even more confusing, it was the Celestials who introduced the X-gene into a group of homo erectus, to boost the species' "latent potential". And iit was that same potential the Kree were able to exploit to make Inhumans. So the difference is more like a heritage tomato, or a GMO variant tomato. They're both tomatoes, at the end of the day.


  2. #1762
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    To be even more confusing, it was the Celestials who introduced the X-gene into a group of homo erectus, to boost the species' "latent potential". And iit was that same potential the Kree were able to exploit to make Inhumans. So the difference is more like a heritage tomato, or a GMO variant tomato. They're both tomatoes, at the end of the day.
    I would agree...but I would also add the altered humans are also a different kind of tomato...because as a baseline...humans are just really open to genetic modification of all kinds. It's one the reasons the Kree were ever interested in humans at all....because they themselves had kind of flatlined evolutionarily.

    But I tihnk the real difference between mutants and inhumans is that the Celestials were just like "let's introduce this thing and let it develop as it will from there" whereas the the Kree were kinf of being more pragamtic about about their experimentations because

    A) They were trying to find a way around their own evolutionary stagnation

    and

    B) They wanted "super soldiers" they could use to fight the Skrull.

    But yeah, in the end...it is kind of like having different types of tomato. There are differences...but they're all more alike than they are different.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

  3. #1763
    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    But yeah, in the end...it is kind of like having different types of tomato. There are differences...but they're all more alike than they are different.
    Still leaves us with the issue, though, of what people mean, EXACTLY, when they throw out the word "tomato" :P

    Though to be fair, wasn't the wording in Ms. Marvel not even the word "mutant" but "mutation"? In which case... fuck it could be any of the things anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Still leaves us with the issue, though, of what people mean, EXACTLY, when they throw out the word "tomato" :P

    Though to be fair, wasn't the wording in Ms. Marvel not even the word "mutant" but "mutation"? In which case... fuck it could be any of the things anyway.
    And her buddy wouldn't have any fuckin' clue about the X-gene that hasn't been discovered, so he'd be perfectly in the right to use "mutation" to describe literally any genetic aberration he can see.


  5. #1765
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    And her buddy wouldn't have any fuckin' clue about the X-gene that hasn't been discovered, so he'd be perfectly in the right to use "mutation" to describe literally any genetic aberration he can see.
    I mean sure, but I'm more concerned about Marvel using the word than the character using the word - if we get right down to it, all he would see is a deviation in a nucleic acid sequence, but those happen all the time for all sorts of reasons. It'd likely be impossible to catalog all mutations in all living humans in the first place so what's his basis for comparison anyway :P

    Clearly it's Marvel dropping the hint for SOMETHING, but whether it's actual X-Men or something else... we likely won't know until they tell us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    I mean sure, but I'm more concerned about Marvel using the word than the character using the word - if we get right down to it, all he would see is a deviation in a nucleic acid sequence, but those happen all the time for all sorts of reasons. It'd likely be impossible to catalog all mutations in all living humans in the first place so what's his basis for comparison anyway :P

    Clearly it's Marvel dropping the hint for SOMETHING, but whether it's actual X-Men or something else... we likely won't know until they tell us.
    I'm kind of hoping they just throw a giant wrench in the works; all genetic deviants are "mutants" and it doesn't matter if it's experimentation, genetic modification by Kree, or X-gene nonsense. Trying to draw distinctions between those groups really is kind of meaningless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    I'm kind of hoping they just throw a giant wrench in the works; all genetic deviants are "mutants" and it doesn't matter if it's experimentation, genetic modification by Kree, or X-gene nonsense. Trying to draw distinctions between those groups really is kind of meaningless.
    I guess that's one way to play it, but it would still "group" them by various factors - unless they want to take a REALLY different tack with the X-Men and make them sort of all-encompassing, which would be a bit weird.

  8. #1768
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    Clearly it's Marvel dropping the hint for SOMETHING, but whether it's actual X-Men or something else... we likely won't know until they tell us.
    Again, they played the actual X-Men theme when Bruno said "mutant". The current plan, at least, is that Kamala is whatever the X-Men are.

  9. #1769
    Quote Originally Posted by paxen View Post
    Again, they played the actual X-Men theme when Bruno said "mutant".
    But he didn't, did he? He said "mutation".

  10. #1770
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    But he didn't, did he? He said "mutation".
    And a Person with a mutation is...?

  11. #1771
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    But he didn't, did he? He said "mutation".
    But again, the theme from the X-Men animated series is played for just a second when he says "mutation".

    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

  12. #1772
    Quote Originally Posted by Skulltaker View Post
    And a Person with a mutation is...?
    As we discussed some posts ago, that's a bit of a complicated thing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    But again, the theme from the X-Men animated series is played for just a second when he says "mutation".
    Oh I'm with you, I absolutely think it's a reference to the X-Men. I'm just saying, it could backdoor into all sorts of things, too, including (as was suggested) a MCU-specific redefinition of what and who is a "mutant".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skulltaker View Post
    And a Person with a mutation is...?
    A mutant, but there are mutants and other people.

    Spider-man's powers come from the spider bite mutating his DNA. But, Peter Parker isn't a mutant.

    Generally mutant in marvel is exclusively used by X Gene Mutants.
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  14. #1774
    So, the 6th episode.
    It was bad.
    The case scenes were especially bad.
    Jen being awkward and treated like trash was an unpleasant sight.

    But, to be fair, I must say that the sight of a man deciding to off himself via window jump rather than listen to two women blabber on was hilarious and relatable.

    I was sincerely hoping that the fight between Jen and Superstrong Influencer would save the episode, and actually got hyped until the anticlimatic, and, supposedly, fun and abrupt end with Titania losing her veneers.
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    The issue here is that you're dodging the issue.

  15. #1775
    Quote Originally Posted by Fortress of Arrogance View Post
    Jen being awkward and treated like trash was an unpleasant sight.
    Oh hey, finally something we can agree on!

    But, to be fair, I must say that the sight of a man deciding to off himself via window jump rather than listen to two women blabber on was hilarious and relatable.
    Given Mr Immortal's characterization that, um, doesn't say great things about you...?

  16. #1776
    Quote Originally Posted by paxen View Post
    Oh hey, finally something we can agree on!
    There is a first time for everything, they say.

    Quote Originally Posted by paxen View Post
    Given Mr Immortal's characterization that, um, doesn't say great things about you...?
    Given that it's a perfectly logical solution in that situation, doubly so when you're technically immortal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jester Joe View Post
    The issue here is that you're dodging the issue.

  17. #1777
    I thought episode 6 was alright. Jen definitely should not have taken the shit the bride and bridesmaids were giving her. I expected far more professionalism from Mallory. She is usually a cold bitch and an exceptional lawyer in the comics so I expected her to do right by her client.

  18. #1778
    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    I thought episode 6 was alright. Jen definitely should not have taken the shit the bride and bridesmaids were giving her. I expected far more professionalism from Mallory. She is usually a cold bitch and an exceptional lawyer in the comics so I expected her to do right by her client.
    She did do right by her client. Those settlements were a far better deal than he would have gotten if those cases had gone to trial. It's the kind of legal miracle that you would only get from a TV show.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    This is a bad written show.

    It is not well written as a sitcom.
    It is bad as a super hero show.
    It's supposed to be a legal show, but has an incompetent lawyer as main character.
    It is even a bad feminist show, when the script could have been empowering women on their own merits, instead of comparing them to "a parade of underwhelming men".

    I'll watch it till the end for the (hopefully existing) MCU story ties, but this could have been so much more. A wasted opportunity and it's a shame for Maslany, she deserved better.
    /spit@Blizzard

  20. #1780
    Quote Originally Posted by Jotaux View Post
    I thought episode 6 was alright. Jen definitely should not have taken the shit the bride and bridesmaids were giving her. I expected far more professionalism from Mallory. She is usually a cold bitch and an exceptional lawyer in the comics so I expected her to do right by her client.
    Same problems as I had with the other episodes really. They don't seem to flesh out stuff to the point it makes sense, it's just a bit hollow. Bride doesn't want SheHulk outshining her, okay, Bride/others just assign chores to Jen, er, okay. Bride is drugged/drunk and now loves SheHulk... okay. It's like there was some plot that was supposed to be in there somewhere, but they didn't want to bother? It's just odd.
    Guy dies to get out of conflicts, okay, guy has a bunch of ex-wives (well, I guess widows?), fine. Lawyers dislike him, he offers lots of money, they turn down lots of money, infighting begins. Deals hashed out, everyone happy, one lady swapped lots of money for 15 second eye contact apology... okay? Again just seems like they skipped some stuff that is the story.

    It's like when Infinity War ended with Hulk refusing to come out, then Endgame tosses in that Banner has come to an arrangement and is now smarthulk and there's a story there but you don't need to hear it, let's just move on. It's just odd to me.

    The main "problem" in this ep is the standard trope that powerlevels vary by story. Titania can punch Jen and it's fine, SheHulk can hit Titania hard enough to throw her pretty far without a big problem, Titania trips and that's the injury... meh.
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