“The biggest communication problem is we do not listen to understand. We listen to reply,” Stephen Covey.
on a different note, I love Jen's family.. so... much.... they are the perfect blend of cringey and supportively loving, its just... so good.
seems like either Bruce called them, or she has spoken to them off screen. and its the exact kind of a family I would have expected to have raised someone like her, including and especially her father. I don't know why you all keep trying to see her as some sort of manhater. I honestly don't get that vibe out of the show at all.
This isn't the original origin you are looking for an 80s comic not a 2000s one probably later judging by how lacking the drawing style is.
https://readcomiconline.li/Comic/The...210&readType=1
Notice no editorializing about being better just talking about you know being hulk. Still determination to keep it under control and the explosion of anger but not immediately claiming to be better than Bruce. She definitely isn't able to control the change early on but the stories still resonate arguably because of that.
Notice how she is in control the entire time. She showed more control in her first appearance than the dozens or even hundreds of prior appearances of the Hulk. She had full control of her transformation before even the first year of her comic was out. She was the "Smart" Hulk long before Bruce was. Eventually choosing to wear her Hulk form 100% of time because she liked being tall, strong and beautiful.
Also no direct talk to Bruce about their respective powers or control issues.
You really suck at this don't you?
I could not possibly care less about that kind of goalpost-shifting.
The most recent publications are the ones that are most directly relevant, anyway. Particularly as they're the direct inspiration the show's drawing from.
She didn't ever claim to be "better" than Bruce. You folks really like pushing that lie, but it remains a lie, and repeating it won't change that.Notice no editorializing about being better just talking about you know being hulk. Still determination to keep it under control and the explosion of anger but not immediately claiming to be better than Bruce. She definitely isn't able to control the change early on but the stories still resonate arguably because of that.
You're making that shit up, to push an agenda based on bullshit.
Yeah talking about a hulk but better definitely isn't ripping on Bruce /s. Again read the 80s set she has some control but less than you think at least not initially. Also the mob hit and fallout from it is a huge part of the original set
She gained full control due to Michael Morbius's help not due to magically being better than Bruce instantly. In fact she was stuck transformed for multiple issues unable to change back desperately wanting to become Jennifer again.
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You literally linked a comic page talking about being hulk but better. The most recent publications of most comics are not the ones people give a crap about and you know this. The first incarnations are what most consider cannon since they like to reinvent the entire universe every decade there are definitive versions.
Again, that's not an exchange that happens. You're making that shit up out of whole cloth.
She said that in that comic, sure. She didn't say that in the show.You literally linked a comic page talking about being hulk but better.
In the comic, Bruce's Immortal Hulk is not "under control". Hence the comment.
You can't just ignore context like that, dude.
Stop projecting your own fringe point of views as if they're universal truths. The original comics aren't the most important ones, they're just the first ones. Most of the best-reviewed and most-beloved comic arcs are not character origin stories.The most recent publications of most comics are not the ones people give a crap about and you know this.
This is categorically false. The most-current is the canon, and overrules whatever came before, unless it's explicitly an alternate universe, or something more complex like the shakeup that merged the 616 and 1600 (Ultimates) universes. Fans do not get a say in this. The most-recent comics establish the canon, even via retcon.The first incarnations are what most consider cannon since they like to reinvent the entire universe every decade there are definitive versions.
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And how much control did the Hulk have? None. And wouldn't have any for years.
And there was no Bruce to talk to. He left town before she even transformed the first time.
Seriously, you're not reading what you think you're reading. She was better than Bruce on her first panel as She-Hulk. Go back and re-read the last page. She's already resolved to use her powers for good. If that ain't control, I don't know what is.
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“The biggest communication problem is we do not listen to understand. We listen to reply,” Stephen Covey.
The silliest damned thing about the argument that earlier content is "more canonical" is that it inherently argues that character development literally can not happen; any such development in the character comes later, and thus, is less "canonical" and thus should be ignored.
This is obviously incredibly silly and self-defeating.
The silliest damned thing is that the earlier content undermines his argument entirely.
Like the only thing the earliest appearances show is that Marvel was trying to make a regular superhero comic that's closer to Daredevil than anything else. Intrepid lawyer by day, avenging crimefighter by, err, afternoon. I guess Jenny isn't a night person like Matt.
No one was buying the original "more canonical" comic so it got the axe. She's been a happy go lucky hero ever since.