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  1. #301
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    Quote Originally Posted by Twdft View Post
    Looking at it with mine own moral compass she clearly raped him.
    Lol?

    The power difference gives him no choice to say no.
    Exactly how? She would never dare bring it up with anyone, she can't have him fired, his job is for life. If he had said no, she would have gotten sad, and that would have been the end of it...

  2. #302
    I enjoyed the episode but I disliked the development on the character Cole.
    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    But I would agree he's not the brightest. He basically confided in Alicent having no idea what she would do with that information. He just got lucky or perhaps unlucky depending on how far she's willing to hang it over his head.
    This is when I started disliking the direction his character was going. Murdering someone at festivities solidified it. Fictional universe or not.. let's be real here no one likes the guy who ruins the party to boost his own ego. This whole episode for this character felt like him trying to redeem his "honor". He went from stalwart defender to violent basket case. This transition in such a short amount of time felt unrealistic to me.

    I am unsure if this was written in the book.. so anyone could correct me. If it is not I feel like the only explanation to add this is to sway the audience off the Cole train. Which it worked for me in spades. He is suppose to be her defender, yet his actions have her getting carried off by someone else.

  3. #303
    The tracking for HOTD is incredible, as to be expected. GOT was a juggernaut in every demo.

    However, damn. These increases are impressive:

    https://variety.com/2022/tv/news/hou...ng-1235377997/

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Woah, Woah… you’re saying a sexually frustrated 18 year old acted like most sexually frustrated 18 year olds would!?
    Oh please. If the genders were reversed you'd be on about how the big scummy nobleman is exploiting the power imbalance to take advantage of a poor, innocent girl and then dump her.

    But since it's a girl all accountability is off the table, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    And like she said to Viserys, if she was male, she would have had a dozen bastards by now n nobody would have cared.
    Sure, and that's an actual complaint to have. It's not relevant to the topic of her taking advantage of Cole, though.

  5. #305
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Cow View Post
    Oh please. If the genders were reversed you'd be on about how the big scummy nobleman is exploiting the power imbalance to take advantage of a poor, innocent girl and then dump her.

    But since it's a girl all accountability is off the table, of course.

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    Sure, and that's an actual complaint to have. It's not relevant to the topic of her taking advantage of Cole, though.
    This is a forum where a not-insignificant portion of the viewers defended Ramsay Bolton raping Sansa because "they're married, she has to submit to him."

    So, it wouldn't exactly be a new phenomenom.

  6. #306
    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    I agree, can't blame her, there is no way Cole didn't fantasize about it beforehand (he is a guy after all), also there is the fact that every eligible un-married male noble showed up for her hand, from old men to that angry boy who killed some guy in a duel, think it was last episode? Fucking the princess has been on the mind of half the kingdom...
    They don't give a shit about "fucking the princess". What they want is to have their houses elevated by marrying into the Royal Line. Rhaenyra could have fucking greyscale and every single house would still be sending their sons to marry her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Okacz View Post
    Given a 18 year old girl was allowed to pick her own bodyguard, and specifically picked the one whos handsome and killed most people, I'd say she got her money's worth with Cristen.

    They are both toxic in their unique ways, dude being clingy and Rhaenyra being selfish. And yeah, I'd find it easier to excuse Cole, who after sex with the princess is now both dishonored and, if found out, freaking dead, than Rhaenyra , who was groomed into being queen for so long she should know better than to drag an oathsword into her bed. So far her "free spirit" removed all of her potential allies aside of a creepy wifekilling uncle, nice going.
    I mean, both of them should have known better. She shouldn't have gone after him and he should not have let himself be seduced. Of the two, I think his sin is worse though...because, while what she did was reckless and irresponsible, he violated his oath sworn to the Seven.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    This is a forum where a not-insignificant portion of the viewers defended Ramsay Bolton raping Sansa because "they're married, she has to submit to him."

    So, it wouldn't exactly be a new phenomenom.
    citation needed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Guy wanted her to run away with him after a late-night booty call. And when she rejected that idea, as most rational people would, he murders a dude at her arranged wedding then tries to kill himself.

    But yeah, a young Princess wanting to have sex freely is the issue. Poor guy
    Im not sure how to explain this one...

    The man was deeply devoted to his oath as well as protecting her. He gave up all his ambitions in life for his oath and service to her family. Everything. Any chance of a family, riches, love life, a normal life in general. When she came on to him he thought it was more than just a fling. He thought she genuinely cared for him. When he found out he happened to be the closest dick around that shit hurt to his core. He had betrayed his entire life just to be a noble's plaything.

    Its a classic theme, but with the genders reversed. Shocker, men can kill emotionally abused and manipulated as well when objectified by people who hold authority over them. Its that simple, he felt emotionally abused. He killed the other guy out of hurt, anger, frustration towards the games of thrones and how the guy tried to just normalize the way nobles see them. The man was on edge, obviously suicidal, and the guy he killed was the last straw.


    Top of my head, my guy was Monica Lewinsky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    citation needed
    You can see it yourself on these pages. I'm not actually going to mention tthe individuals but I'll point out what they said

    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ion***/page290
    https://www.mmo-champion.com/threads...ion***/page291

    Who was raped? I know it wasn't Sansa since her duty is to get boned on her wedding night.
    People are debating whether or not Sansa was raped. It did have a rapey vibe to it but they were married and their wedding night. Bitch coulda said nah fuck this shit I'm out peace and just like slit his throat or something.
    Besides the fact she said yes to marrying him and never once said no to having sex?
    Chill out dude, this isn't helpful to the discussion. Of course she didn't want to do it, but in that world when you're married you have to. Stop trying to apply real world morals to something that doesn't take place in the real world.
    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post
    You can see it yourself on these pages. I'm not actually going to mention tthe individuals but I'll point out what they said
    thanks....ykes,hopes in humanity further dashed....darn u >_<

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    Quote Originally Posted by deenman View Post
    thanks....ykes,hopes in humanity further dashed....darn u >_<
    It's almost like I've been the mod of this subforum for a decade.

  12. #312
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    It's almost like I've been the mod of this subforum for a decade.
    No one deserves such a fate,not even the worst people i can imagine,the horror.......the...horror

  13. #313
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Cow View Post
    Oh please. If the genders were reversed you'd be on about how the big scummy nobleman is exploiting the power imbalance to take advantage of a poor, innocent girl and then dump her.

    But since it's a girl all accountability is off the table, of course.
    I think anyone who wants a person to runaway with them after they sleep together one time, is fucking crazy, male or woman... but lets not pretend that there hasn't always has been more pressure and consequences for women who aren't "pure" before marriage. Hell, women are still frowned upon for having multiple sexual partners. Men aren't.
    Fairy tales are more than true–not because they tell us dragons exist, but because they tell us dragons can be beaten. -G. K. Chesterton & Neil Gaiman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    but lets not pretend that there hasn't always has been more pressure and consequences for women who aren't "pure" before marriage. Hell, women are still frowned upon for having multiple sexual partners. Men aren't.
    Which, again, isn't the point of what happened here, but the fact that it's the only argument people seem to have is telling I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    Im not sure how to explain this one...

    The man was deeply devoted to his oath as well as protecting her. He gave up all his ambitions in life for his oath and service to her family. Everything. Any chance of a family, riches, love life, a normal life in general. When she came on to him he thought it was more than just a fling. He thought she genuinely cared for him. When he found out he happened to be the closest dick around that shit hurt to his core. He had betrayed his entire life just to be a noble's plaything.

    Its a classic theme, but with the genders reversed. Shocker, men can kill emotionally abused and manipulated as well when objectified by people who hold authority over them. Its that simple, he felt emotionally abused. He killed the other guy out of hurt, anger, frustration towards the games of thrones and how the guy tried to just normalize the way nobles see them. The man was on edge, obviously suicidal, and the guy he killed was the last straw.


    Top of my head, my guy was Monica Lewinsky.
    Which is crazy. They camped out together and had sex once. This "deep" connection he thinks that they had together, didn't happen. He's needy and desperate af, and being turned down causes him to turn into a vindictive pos towards Rhae. Dude is a huge red flag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Which is crazy. They camped out together and had sex once. This "deep" connection he thinks that they had together, didn't happen. He's needy and desperate af, and being turned down causes him to turn into a vindictive pos towards Rhae. Dude is a huge red flag.
    I like how you keep boiling this down to, "He didn't get a second date." like these people are teenagers in New York or something.

    Just toss context out the window, I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of Cow View Post
    I like how you keep boiling this down to, "He didn't get a second date." like these people are teenagers in New York or something.

    Just toss context out the window, I suppose.
    You mean how instead of him just leaving himself because he fears for his life, he expected Rhae to leave with him after only having one sexual encounter together? Leave her family, her responsibilities, her destiny... everything she knows for a guy that she's not even in love with... a guy she just had sex with cause she didn't get it from Daemon?

    He's completely unstable, needy and can't take rejection. I mean, that's really why he does what he does later on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winter Blossom View Post
    Which is crazy. They camped out together and had sex once. This "deep" connection he thinks that they had together, didn't happen. He's needy and desperate af, and being turned down causes him to turn into a vindictive pos towards Rhae. Dude is a huge red flag.
    IDK how I feel about telling someone they shouldn't feel like they were exploited. I'm definitely not going to tell them they should shoulder the blame. Life experience might tell you "hey, these people don't actually give a damn about you" but that doesn't excuse leading someone on an exploitative behavior. The blame always falls on the person in power and led the other person on. Man, woman, doesn't matter.

    Even then, the one-night stand wasn't even the end of it. She should have told him what it was but instead did the dismissive sneaky shit that all people of power in the show do because they aren't good people - you're not supposed to see them as good people. She used him, cast him aside without a word, so of course he is going to be pissed. He is supposed to just back to being her door holder for the rest of his life knowing what he knows? No shot. Worse is that she (I didn't read the books so IDK if its actually the case) might be carrying his child without even telling him. That kid is going grow up as the son of her and her cousin, and he can't even get a Father's Day card. He has a lot to be pissed about.

    What he did was irrational, but his anger is understood.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post

    Even then, the one-night stand wasn't even the end of it. She should have told him what it was but instead did the dismissive sneaky shit that all people of power in the show do because they aren't good people - you're not supposed to see them as good people. She used him, cast him aside without a word, so of course he is going to be pissed. He is supposed to just back to being her door holder for the rest of his life knowing what he knows? No shot. Worse is that she (I didn't read the books so IDK if its actually the case) might be carrying his child without even telling him. That kid is going grow up as the son of her and her cousin, and he can't even get a Father's Day card. He has a lot to be pissed about.
    She didn't "cast him aside" though. She didn't make any promises of everlasting love towards him. And even after she said she couldn't marry him... she was like "Hey, we can still bone down whenever...I just have to marry this other guy...but he's cool with that".

    I'm not saying it was cool for her to seduce him like that... it was, as I stated earlier, reckless and irresponsible. But only one of them is an oathbreaker.
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    Isms bore me. I think they are only brought by people who seek to marginalize the potential of each ism to provide something meaningful. Name it, Capitalism, Socialism, even Communism-- all contain something of merit towards structuring a society. The biggest flaw in human history has been the need to take the worst of a system along with the best. It doesn't have to be all of one and none of another.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PACOX View Post
    She used him, cast him aside without a word, so of course he is going to be pissed. He is supposed to just back to being her door holder for the rest of his life knowing what he knows? No shot.
    Where was the casting aside? She is the reason he has this prestigious position, as they wanted someone from a renown family with power to have the position. It's kind idiotic that he would assume that she'd throw away her crown and duty to the realm, to be the wife of a sell sword, just so he can replace his honor. He can do that himself without her.
    No there's nothing to worry about with fathering, I don't know if he learns what Allicent knows(the plan b tea) but those kids are too strong to be Cole's

    The irony is that he, a low-born who was bestowed a high position that would raise his house by said princess, is also wanting her to throw away so much more, so that he can feel like his honor isn't wasted for nothing. He went from being a cool, down to earth, relatable low-born, to suddenly "MUH HONOR" idiot real fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Midnight Bomber View Post

    I'm not saying it was cool for her to seduce him like that... it was, as I stated earlier, reckless and irresponsible. But only one of them is an oathbreaker.
    it's almost like she was a hormonal teenager and not some scheme-ing evil person.

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