FFXIV Criticisms

[Arlette]

Literally no one talks this way. (Except Val, who is pretty critical of literally everything in every game, so eh. Not sure why you guys take it personally here.) This is just the weird lens through which the two of you view every single conversation, even when people are talking about the things they like.

Seriously, this happens every time and it's why no one posts in this sub anymore. You guys won't allow anyone to say much of anything without jumping on them about it, and we've been over this time and again.

I was a lurker until I saw you and the others constantly posting hateful shit every single time this subforum was active. And that was when I first made my account.

So nice try with your revisionism but it hasn't been that long that you can't easily check this.

[Ghost of Cow]

I was a lurker until I saw you and the others constantly posting hateful shit every single time this subforum was active. And that was when I first made my account.

So nice try with your revisionism but it hasn't been that long that you can't easily check this.

"Hateful shit"

What, exactly? No, seriously, you do this so often that I'm really going to just call you on it this time. Find this "hateful shit". Go on, find it. Seriously, go for it.

You won't find shit because it doesn't happen. All this supposed "hate" is literally just people discussing a game like they would any other. (Yes, positives and negatives) It's just two of you that have this massive fucking chip on your shoulders for no reason.

[Aucald]

Whatever your personal beef is with one another, this is not the place to air it - take it to PMs or drop it entirely, but let's keep this thread focused on legitimate criticism as opposed to personal grievances.

[Maljinwo]

I finally have something to complain about

What's the deal with the 10th anniversary. It's a pretty important date I believe.

And we get recolored light sticks on the store
A way too expensive mount also on the store
Stickers for gpose (limited time only)

And... A community event to submit hairstyles?

I guess there's also the special boss trial but... I was hoping for more of a celebration? Maybe they'll tell us more on the Fan Fest

I hope so

[Ghost of Cow]

I guess there's also the special boss trial but... I was hoping for more of a celebration? Maybe they'll tell us more on the Fan Fest

I don't think anything else is coming about the anniversary, but looking forward to expansion information at Fan Fest. New expansions are my favorite times in XIV!

[Grinning Serpent]

Whatever your personal beef is with one another, this is not the place to air it - take it to PMs or drop it entirely, but let's keep this thread focused on legitimate criticism as opposed to personal grievances.

Maybe y'all should do your job and throw out the trash, then. All this personal attacks shit is invariably one-way, and it comes from one person in particular. I've reported them several times for several different things that clearly violate the TOS for the forums and nothing's done about it. They've paid out well more than enough rope to hang themselves with by this point.

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I don't think anything else is coming about the anniversary, but looking forward to expansion information at Fan Fest. New expansions are my favorite times in XIV!

Yeah, whatever else XIV's flaws are, we know the x.0 patches are always worth showing up for. I'm hoping for a lot more than just a good 7.0, but even if we get Midwalker 2: Shiny Pixels, at least it's still worth the price of initial admission.

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Patchwerk is defined by SimC as a high uptime single target fight. I don't know the origin of it (whether it was Patchwerk himself in Nax classic, or if like the other poster mentioned originated from EQ), but you're heavily implying this is somehow a negative thing? It's not as long as it's not a whole raid. More importantly though, there a DOZENS of fights in FF14 that are Patchwerk in nature. They are high uptime single target fights.

It's more like, "nearly all". The limitations of XIV's design and netcode or whatever you call it pretty much demand it. Multi-target/cleave fights are really unpleasant because the stock UI is fucking horrible for easily tracking multiple creatures at once, and it's further reinforced by many of the raid DPS utilities being effects on the target rather than buffs on the raid, so that would significantly complicate things for DPS balance unless the creatures share a health pool. And because the game is so bad at handling multi-target fights, the AOE kit for all classes is completely mindless and would be very unpleasant to play for extended periods of time. For most classes, it's pretty much "hit button 1, hit button 2, now hit button 1 again..." or sometimes there's three parts to it.

XIV is pretty good at what it does, but what it does is a pretty narrow band of possibilities. I'll shit a brick if the 7.0 update does something about the game's fucking garbage netcode and servers (or whatever causes that guaranteed delay.)

[Advent]

I just wish people would stop talking about things they have no relevant experience with. That's how stupid misinformation is spread.

[tikcol]

I wouldn't know about Eureka, but I'm pretty sure it was required to finish the story in Bozja to finish the relic, which required you to do their raids. So there's already discord required there.

Also, yeah, shout and party finder are things, but that doesn't mean anyone will actually USE them. The last time I used shout in Bozja, there was ONE other player in the instance I was in, and was behind me in story to where they couldn't even do the skirmishes I was doing. I ended up staying in Party Finder for over an hour and a half before giving up. On a super rare occasion, I've seen Bozja full, but you want to know how that's happened? Oh, guess what, a Discord group got that together because they wanted to help people run the content. Oh, and this is with me being on the third most populated server one of the most populated data centers in the game, so you can't use the excuse of 'I'm on a smaller server'.

Bozja and Eureka, whether you want to acknowledge it or not, are DEAD CONTENT. They're slogging, mind numbing time wasters to do solo, are near impossible to get groups for unless you're part of a specific discord server, and because they're side content you've got a huge amount of the playerbase that won't only just skip them entirely, but a chunk that don't even know it exists because they're wanting to do the stuff everyone else is doing. You know, current content that's ACTUALLY populated.

Can you get lucky and find a group now and then? Sure. But it's self centered and over expecting to think shouting into the ether is going to magic you up someone else interested in doing that same content with you.



And the thing is? I frankly PREFER the system where Rezzes are free like that. Because it means I keep playing and I'm not just dead on the ground for the rest of the entire fight like it is in Wow. It makes sure that the players are engaged much more often. This isn't even mentioning the fact that penalty for rezzes are STILL THERE. Oh hey, you died? Welp, chances are unless we're DRASTICLY overgeared for something means we're likely going to be missing the DPS check.

Also, let's be fair that it's much more appealing to see people master a dance and work together as a unit to do things then watch you entire party die because 'oh, the boss used an ability randomly, lol'.

I finished my bozja relic pretty much solo in a few days. Cant remember about time gates but it was pretty fast. Nothinf like you're saying. I did queue for the raids I needed, one of them I did with only 5 more players because nobody else queued but it was a random group. iI scales to party size even if badly.

The last raid I haven't even done yet because it isn't needed to finish the relic. I don't know where you get this idea that you need discord and stuff.

Yea it's dead content and I did queue multiple times into 4 people groups and even the 6 player party I queued into took a long time to finish the raid but it was ok.

[Usernameforforums]

My only major criticism is the required ~850 quest with the only option to bypass via $$$. Story is great but for newcomers, it’s a daunting task.

Don’t get me wrong. I’m fine with it personally but my friends aren’t.

[Yarathir]

It does really feel like some people come here almost exclusively to ping pong between talking about xyz thing XIV does wrong (at its very core) and doing damage control and whiteknighting for another MMO. Doesn't really seem like that should be the point of the thread or this subforum.

I finally have something to complain about

What's the deal with the 10th anniversary. It's a pretty important date I believe.

And we get recolored light sticks on the store
A way too expensive mount also on the store
Stickers for gpose (limited time only)

And... A community event to submit hairstyles?

I guess there's also the special boss trial but... I was hoping for more of a celebration? Maybe they'll tell us more on the Fan Fest

I hope so

The mount is a Fanfest thing, that has always happened.

But yeah, otherwise,I dunno.. it feels a tad anemic at this point. Maybe we'll learn more at Fanfest, but right now it's now very riveting. Maybe they truly thought Eorzean Aetherobics thing would excite us?

Right now, the only thing I can see ahead of us that is out of the ordinary is a XVI crossover (which is ostensibly not an anniversary event) and the new "special moogle tome" event (which we don't know if it'll be anything special at all. The extent of it might be that there's one extra unique item on the vendor)

[zealo]

I finished my bozja relic pretty much solo in a few days. Cant remember about time gates but it was pretty fast. Nothinf like you're saying. I did queue for the raids I needed, one of them I did with only 5 more players because nobody else queued but it was a random group. iI scales to party size even if badly.

The last raid I haven't even done yet because it isn't needed to finish the relic. I don't know where you get this idea that you need discord and stuff.

Yea it's dead content and I did queue multiple times into 4 people groups and even the 6 player party I queued into took a long time to finish the raid but it was ok.

If Bozja is as dead as MsSideEye likes to imply where they are, that’s an issue specific to their data centre despite the attempt to claim its not.

Both Southern Front and Zadnor is pretty much the fastest way there is to level combat jobs in the 71+ range all the way to 90, and that alone keeps enough life in both those zones and CLL/DAL to have 30-40+ people in those zones near prime time pretty much daily and constantly.

Only thing that really needs to get fixed is to slot the normal version of Delubrum into the regular alliance roulette, it taking 40+ minutes when no one uses essences or actions is a normal runtime for several other raids in there anyway, with the most ”punishing” aspects such as the doom mechanic and the floor traps in hallways getting nerfed or removed.

[MsSideEye]

First off, Hell's bells did this thread get crazy fast while I was at work. Sorry for the extra work load there, Alucard.

I finally have something to complain about

What's the deal with the 10th anniversary. It's a pretty important date I believe.

And we get recolored light sticks on the store
A way too expensive mount also on the store
Stickers for gpose (limited time only)

And... A community event to submit hairstyles?

I guess there's also the special boss trial but... I was hoping for more of a celebration? Maybe they'll tell us more on the Fan Fest

I hope so

Yeah, for it being a tenth anniversary, it's kinda muted all things concerned. Though that might be a Japanese thing? I'm really only used to the over touted and over top way America does things. Though to be fair, they might just have been waiting for Fanfest itself to pull out the big guns, I'm not sure.

I finished my bozja relic pretty much solo in a few days. Cant remember about time gates but it was pretty fast. Nothinf like you're saying. I did queue for the raids I needed, one of them I did with only 5 more players because nobody else queued but it was a random group. iI scales to party size even if badly.

The last raid I haven't even done yet because it isn't needed to finish the relic. I don't know where you get this idea that you need discord and stuff.

Yea it's dead content and I did queue multiple times into 4 people groups and even the 6 player party I queued into took a long time to finish the raid but it was ok.

That's still several hours, especially if this was your first time and you're doing the story + the level grinding in Bozja. And if you're stuck doing those skirmishes solo, that's even longer. I was pretty certain that you needed to do at least one of the raids that were inside the first instance and the one you've got a to que up for to finish the relic, but if I'm wrong, I'm wrong.

My discord comment is still viable, however, if you're wanting to actually get these done in a half decent clip and I'm willing to bet it's probably necessary for Erueka, considering how that's even grinder then what I've seen in Bozja.

My only major criticism is the required ~850 quest with the only option to bypass via $$$. Story is great but for newcomers, it’s a daunting task.

I'm a little surprised you consider the huge story a negative? I mean, this isn't WoW where you're supposed to be rushing to the end because that's where the real game is. FF14's got YEARS of story that you can go through at your own pace and roughly 90% of the content is still something that you can do and have it feel decently engaging, allowing you to go through that story without many issues.

I'm honestly legit confused why anyone would spend money on skipping the major selling point of this game.

It does really feel like some people come here almost exclusively to ping pong between talking about xyz thing XIV does wrong (at its very core) and doing damage control and whiteknighting for another MMO. Doesn't really seem like that should be the point of the thread or this subforum.

Pretty much this. Again, I legit joined this forum in the first place because some guy was so twisted in on wanting to make FF14 look bad that he took the story that Endwalker was telling, and decided that 'No, you see, these people who have been doing wrong are clearly good guys and it was the hero who was bad'. It's like... people can't leave the fact that we enjoy the game alone. It has to be 'Oh, it doesn't do this well, it's shit' or some other crap.

There are failings in this game, there's no denying that. But the majority of the people I've seen complain in here and are the largest detractors to FF14 have it come down to one fact: It's not WoW. And thank the mother crystal that it isn't.

If Bozja is as dead as MsSideEye likes to imply where they are, that’s an issue specific to their data centre despite the attempt to claim its not.

Both Southern Front and Zadnor is pretty much the fastest way there is to level combat jobs in the 71+ range all the way to 90, and that alone keeps enough life in both those zones and CLL/DAL to have 30-40+ people in those zones near prime time pretty much daily and constantly.

Only thing that really needs to get fixed is to slot the normal version of Delubrum into the regular alliance roulette, it taking 40+ minutes when no one uses essences or actions is a normal runtime for several other raids in there anyway, with the most ”punishing” aspects such as the doom mechanic and the floor traps in hallways getting nerfed or removed.

I was pretty sure they nerfed the EXP gain the Front and Zadnor were giving, since I usually see people level up through Endwalker fates or dungeons, though I couldn't say what the current 'fastest'. I've never been obsessed with just rushing to the finish even for leveling other classes. Got Red Mage to 90 through just doing Beast Tribe Dailies.

And I'm not sure about the data center being good/bad for Bozja, but I was fairly certain that the Crystal Data center was fairly heavily populated. But it might also be just a set up for the community in question. I know, for example that it's the Primal Data Center that you're wanting to be on if you're wanting to hard core raid. Maybe Crystal just doesn't have anyone interested in Bozja/Eureka? I don't know. All my experieince the last handful of times i've been in there, though, is that i'm pretty much stuck farming stuff by myself.

[KrayZ33]

Nice retort there, buddy.

I don't know how to argue against made up stuff that is all in your head, other than how I did.
WoW bosses aren't patchwerk fights, unless you still count classic.

Maybe 1 out of 40 bosses are like that - that's certainly not "the average design" or as you put it: "common"


Btw (just saying): WoW bosses are vastly more unique compared to FFXIV bosses which re-use mechanics most of the time, to the point where most mechanics are called after the first boss that introduced them.

[Yarathir]

Pretty much this. Again, I legit joined this forum in the first place because some guy was so twisted in on wanting to make FF14 look bad that he took the story that Endwalker was telling, and decided that 'No, you see, these people who have been doing wrong are clearly good guys and it was the hero who was bad'.

I forgot to mention it, but you have my belated condolences for having had the misfortune to learn about Zodiark Trancers.

[Ghost of Cow]

But the majority of the people I've seen complain in here and are the largest detractors to FF14 have it come down to one fact: It's not WoW.

Literally no one says this. 90% of the time the only reason WoW comes up is when you bring it up.

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I'm a little surprised you consider the huge story a negative? I mean, this isn't WoW where you're supposed to be rushing to the end because that's where the real game is. FF14's got YEARS of story that you can go through at your own pace and roughly 90% of the content is still something that you can do and have it feel decently engaging, allowing you to go through that story without many issues.

Like so, where the person you quote didn't even mention WoW.

[Aucald]

There are failings in this game, there's no denying that. But the majority of the people I've seen complain in here and are the largest detractors to FF14 have it come down to one fact: It's not WoW. And thank the mother crystal that it isn't.

For me, the fact that "it's not WoW" is probably FF14's strongest merit - and, if I might be so bold, probably the most amazing thing about the game. In an era where WoW is admittedly the bar for the MMO genre, FF14 managed to carve out a space where it can do its own thing, using the same basic gameplay elements as most other modern MMOs but managing to cultivate a unique story while also presenting its unique gameplay aesthetic. My first impressions on starting my journey in ARR were ones of instant familiarity coupled with a growing sense of the strange - and I was admittedly unprepared for a journey that would start slow but become familiar and engrossing in short order.

This isn't to say that FF14 doesn't have elements that clunk - like all games, it most certainly does. But being a carbon copy of WoW in terms of both substance and aesthetics is mercifully not a criticism I would heap on it.

[Tech614]

I'm a little surprised you consider the huge story a negative? I mean, this isn't WoW where you're supposed to be rushing to the end because that's where the real game is. FF14's got YEARS of story that you can go through at your own pace and roughly 90% of the content is still something that you can do and have it feel decently engaging, allowing you to go through that story without many issues.

So I don't really talk about XIV much, because I play it basically as a SP game and just finish story and then shelf it. If it was trying to be WoW without a focus on the story I probably wouldn't play it at all so that is certainly not a bad thing.

That said ARR is dog shit, and had I never played through it when it was all there was I doubt I would of ever got through that shit to begin with. They definitely should offer a more refined skip for new players(that gos over the basic tutorial and plot points without all the slog ass filler) without RMT for that and shaving 20ish quests off it is hardly the adjustment it needed. I bet they would retain more new players if they did as much.

[Arlette]

I dont think there's a single honest player of FF14 that doesn't agree ARR can be a slog. The problem is what gets removed and what doesn't, especially when plot elements introduced in ARR are major factors in very large plot point conclusions in stuff like Shadowbringers (5.3) and Endwalker.

I don't envy them trying to fix it. I donno how you do that without removing the important context needed later for the story. Perhaps the biggest appeal of how FF14 starts off is the existence of its plot as a slow burn that 100% of everything mentioned is important at some point.

[Ghost of Cow]

For me, the fact that "it's not WoW" is probably FF14's strongest merit - and, if I might be so bold, probably the most amazing thing about the game.

I see what you're saying here, but I also believe that XIV can certainly stand on it's own outside of the identity of being "Not-WoW".

Of course, since they occupy a similar market space, the comparisons will be made. Still, I think XIV manages to be its own thing quite well, without just being "Not-WoW".

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I dont think there's a single honest player of FF14 that doesn't agree ARR can be a slog. The problem is what gets removed and what doesn't, especially when plot elements introduced in ARR are major factors in very large plot point conclusions in stuff like Shadowbringers (5.3) and Endwalker.

I don't envy them trying to fix it. I donno how you do that without removing the important context needed later for the story. Perhaps the biggest appeal of how FF14 starts off is the existence of its plot as a slow burn that 100% of everything mentioned is important at some point.

It's tough because many of us here are players going back years and years, so much of the story has been a slow trickle over time for us.

For a new player it's probably a bit overwhelming to see it laid out all at once. When my wife first started, I'm not sure she would have stuck with it if I wasn't constantly encouraging her along the way.

But like you said...what do you cut? Ok, they did cut some from post-ARR, but could they actually cut anything else?

[Aucald]

I see what you're saying here, but I also believe that XIV can certainly stand on it's own outside of the identity of being "Not-WoW".

Of course, since they occupy a similar market space, the comparisons will be made. Still, I think XIV manages to be its own thing quite well, without just being "Not-WoW".

I am saying FF14 can stand on its own outside of the identity of being "Not WoW," and that is probably one of its most compelling qualities. The very fact that FF14 is its own thing with its own aesthetic, while still being recognizable as a modern MMO, is amazing in my opinion.