Wait for the new GPU Generation, or buy the dip?

[The-Shan]

We've seen some GPUs down hundreds of dollars below MSRP, though we do know AMD and Nvidia are launching a new generation soon.

I've been eyeing myself up an affordable RTX 3080Ti, but I'm unsure if I should just wait for the 4000 series, and its AMD counterparts to release. I doubt the prices are going to go much lower than this on the 3080ti, or what I would get for a comparable price next generation, since all we can do is speculate right now on specs and pricing.

There's also the thought that the 4090/4080 will be sold far above MSRP at launch...

Either I continue on with my very tired 2060 (Used for rendering+hard gaming since 2018) and let it chug along for a few more months, or I buy the dip.

What do you think, MMO-C?

[Gaidax]

I don't think you are going to be able to buy top of the line 4XXX offering anytime soon for any sort of reasonable price.

You can be certain that whatever initial supply will be there will be bought out by scalpers in 0.2 seconds and resold at 200% for good few months the least. Which would probably put you anywhere around half a year plus before you can get anything without having to sell a kidney.

If you can wait half a year to a year, then do that, otherwise might as well take 3080Ti - it's going to be around 4070 level give or take.

[khazmodan]

If you watch the gamers nexus video on the new video cards;

you will see that the new video cards are having a real problem with power supplies and with the old video cards dropping down to a much more affordable price I would be tempted to buy an older one now and then maybe buy a newer one in another year or so. I don't think the 4000 series is going to hold a high price for long because people just don't have the disposable income that they had a couple of years ago and virtual currency has kind of crashed. Now if the new cards make it very cost effective to mine some virtual currency then that might drive the price up again and then you might as well buy one of the older cards now.

[Ringthane]

If you need it now, and can afford it now, buy it now. If you want the latest and greatest, wait. This whole "you'll have a much more awesome experience if you wait for the next model to come out" is as ridiculous with computer parts as it is with everything else. If I needed a card now and I had the money now, I would buy now, put it in my computer, and happily go along for the next who knows how many years. I've been around since before the Voodoo3D days, and I can honestly say there's always something new around the corner.

[Jastall]

IMO take a good card now, something like a 3080 or even a ti will last you two generations and you'll likely spend a lot less than for a 4080 which will not only be bought by scalpers before your brain can even process your finger hitting the buy button, but remain very much above MSRP even at retailers assuming there's supply to go around. Here in Canada I saw stores discounting 3080tis at barely above 1 000$, which makes me a bit sad I bit the bullet and bought my 3070 at 860$ before taxes a year and a half ago. Don't count on equivalent 4th gen cards hitting those prices anytime soon.

Still, waiting for the perfect time to build/upgrade doesn't exist IMO. Not in a market as ever-shifting as computer parts. Better safe than sorry I say.

[Bakis]

Should be buy now. Correct me if Im wrong but isnt it 80-series and crappy founders edidion 70-series that usually hit the market first?
Ie. one good but hellishly expensive and one crappy.

Oh, do anyone know when Intels next gen is planned to come? Their cards look promising now, curious of next gen when they caught up a bit more.

[Linkedblade]

We've seen some GPUs down hundreds of dollars below MSRP, though we do know AMD and Nvidia are launching a new generation soon.

I've been eyeing myself up an affordable RTX 3080Ti, but I'm unsure if I should just wait for the 4000 series, and its AMD counterparts to release. I doubt the prices are going to go much lower than this on the 3080ti, or what I would get for a comparable price next generation, since all we can do is speculate right now on specs and pricing.

There's also the thought that the 4090/4080 will be sold far above MSRP at launch...

Either I continue on with my very tired 2060 (Used for rendering+hard gaming since 2018) and let it chug along for a few more months, or I buy the dip.

What do you think, MMO-C?

Depends on which card you're looking at. Now seems to be a good time. Same for the next few months, seems like 3000 series will continue to stay around even after 4000 launch.

[mrgreenthump]

It's hard to say where the market goes, 30-series supply is still plenty and getting discounts more and more frequently. But they are still fairly expensive. From my PoV it depends what you have and what you need. If you have a competent GPU and just want a new shiny top tier card, then ofc I'd wait. If you need a new GPU real bad, just buy one, there's always going to be the next shiny around the corner.

Should be buy now. Correct me if Im wrong but isnt it 80-series and crappy founders edidion 70-series that usually hit the market first?
Ie. one good but hellishly expensive and one crappy.

Oh, do anyone know when Intels next gen is planned to come? Their cards look promising now, curious of next gen when they caught up a bit more.

4090 is rumored to be launching first because all of the supply of 30-series still remaining. And we will probably have to wait till well into next year to see 4070 or lower tier cards. We might see a 4080 as well this year, then they launch 4090ti and 3080ti on 2nd half of next year. Or earlier if AMD beats them on some metrics other than power consumption.

About Intel, rumor is that their next gen is having the same hardware problem that is hardcapping framerates to 90 FPS with the current gen. And well they are miles behind on support of older titles/not even supporting all the new ones.

[Bakis]

It's hard to say where the market goes, 30-series supply is still plenty and getting discounts more and more frequently. But they are still fairly expensive. From my PoV it depends what you have and what you need. If you have a competent GPU and just want a new shiny top tier card, then ofc I'd wait. If you need a new GPU real bad, just buy one, there's always going to be the next shiny around the corner.



4090 is rumored to be launching first because all of the supply of 30-series still remaining. And we will probably have to wait till well into next year to see 4070 or lower tier cards. We might see a 4080 as well this year, then they launch 4090ti and 3080ti on 2nd half of next year. Or earlier if AMD beats them on some metrics other than power consumption.

About Intel, rumor is that their next gen is having the same hardware problem that is hardcapping framerates to 90 FPS with the current gen. And well they are miles behind on support of older titles/not even supporting all the new ones.

Oh, and I guess the 30xx already had their best price.
Intel stated they wouldnt care about non dx12 titles, dunno how I feel. On one hand its a ton of code on the GPU that can be used for new technologies, on the other hand people me included hang on to old titles.
But maybe someone has to go first and ditch the crap older DX *shrug*

[Gaidax]

Oh, do anyone know when Intels next gen is planned to come? Their cards look promising now, curious of next gen when they caught up a bit more.

I'd certainly would not buy anything Intel until its discreet GPUs are at least second gen. It is bound to have a ton of troubles, bugs and support issues for a few years until it matures.

Now technically you can say that they have a ton of GPU experience given integraeted solutions history, so it's not like they are starting from 0, so they probably will mature faster. But it still will be a process.

Besides, nobody really knows what we're talking about - need to see what actually hits the shelves to even begin talking about Intel.

[mrgreenthump]

Intel stated they wouldnt care about non dx12 titles, dunno how I feel. On one hand its a ton of code on the GPU that can be used for new technologies, on the other hand people me included hang on to old titles.
But maybe someone has to go first and ditch the crap older DX *shrug*

Gets even worse, the rumor going now is that apparently Intel has just decided to axe their discrete ARC GPUs. And we might only see Battlemage in laptop if anything.

[rogoth]

the only GPUs getting price reductions are the halo products in the stack, the majority of cards that most people would actually care about are still being listed for MSRP 2 years after they originally launched, that's not good value for money, then you have nvidia fudging the numbers to force people to overspend as they refuse to lower prices any further all the while over charging for what the new cards will cost and make it seem like a good deal based on current pricing values.

[blahdiblah]

there's no dip. most cards at still at or above MSRP. definitely wait.

[Bakis]

Gets even worse, the rumor going now is that apparently Intel has just decided to axe their discrete ARC GPUs. And we might only see Battlemage in laptop if anything.

Yea I read that they were at a crossroad.
And as Linus put it.
"Intel are large enough to have the money to go bust 2 generations, but do they? Depends if they see the outcome are largely faverouble or not" something along those ways.
Even if Intel got the tech they have more or less zero exp in GPU apart from integrated chips but I soooo much would like another player on the field.

[DeltrusDisc]

Should be buy now. Correct me if Im wrong but isnt it 80-series and crappy founders edidion 70-series that usually hit the market first?
Ie. one good but hellishly expensive and one crappy.

Oh, do anyone know when Intels next gen is planned to come? Their cards look promising now, curious of next gen when they caught up a bit more.

Intel MIGHT be canceling their GPU program for gamer-level, (still keeping data center level GPUs though).

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I don't think you are going to be able to buy top of the line 4XXX offering anytime soon for any sort of reasonable price.

You can be certain that whatever initial supply will be there will be bought out by scalpers in 0.2 seconds and resold at 200% for good few months the least. Which would probably put you anywhere around half a year plus before you can get anything without having to sell a kidney.

If you can wait half a year to a year, then do that, otherwise might as well take 3080Ti - it's going to be around 4070 level give or take.

Idk if this will truly help but I've read that TSMC forced NVidia to keep all the shit they bought so essentially, there should... keyword should - be a LOT of GPUs available.

Or at least, the chips themselves. =/

[rogoth]

Intel MIGHT be canceling their GPU program for gamer-level, (still keeping data center level GPUs though).

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Idk if this will truly help but I've read that TSMC forced NVidia to keep all the shit they bought so essentially, there should... keyword should - be a LOT of GPUs available.

Or at least, the chips themselves. =/

see in a normal world, that would be fine, but here's the thing, Nvidia has pulled what's known as a pro gamer move by manipulating the market to keep prices high, so this arguement doesn't really work.

[DeltrusDisc]

see in a normal world, that would be fine, but here's the thing, Nvidia has pulled what's known as a pro gamer move by manipulating the market to keep prices high, so this arguement doesn't really work.

I'm sorry, what prices are being kept high? We've seen 3090s for under $1,000 and 3090 Ti's VERY close to that.
70 and 80 series have also gone down substantially.

[Linkedblade]

Just saw a 3090 ti on sale at $999 USD HERE. Which brings it to price parity with the 6950xt, which ive seen as low as $950, and the 6900xt for $730 or so.

That's the new market. Second hand is going to be crazy, especially since btc is botched and eth has moved to proof of stake.

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Intel MIGHT be canceling their GPU program for gamer-level, (still keeping data center level GPUs though).

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Idk if this will truly help but I've read that TSMC forced NVidia to keep all the shit they bought so essentially, there should... keyword should - be a LOT of GPUs available.

Or at least, the chips themselves. =/

Should probably take Moore's law is dead with a grain of salt. Complete fabrication of information. People like him just spout random nonsense day to day, and then brag how they were right when they get some minute detail correct.

[Kagthul]

I'm sorry, what prices are being kept high? We've seen 3090s for under $1,000 and 3090 Ti's VERY close to that.
70 and 80 series have also gone down substantially.

The cards 85%+ of the market actually buys. 3050, 3060, 3060Ti basically haven't moved and haven't dropped below MSRP. Even the 3070/Ti aren't really dropping much.

There was a glut of 3080s and 3090s (and the Tis) they wanted to clear out before they launched the new Lovelace cards that will replace them. Thats why those have gone down. The rest aren't moving, and most people aren't buying high end and halo SKUs.

So for the average consumer, there has been no dip.

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Just saw a 3090 ti on sale at $999 USD HERE. Which brings it to price parity with the 6950xt, which ive seen as low as $950, and the 6900xt for $730 or so.

If only like 80-85% of the market bought those cards. Checked a 3060, 3060Ti lately?

all the 3060s are ABOVE MSRP still, 3060Tis at or above.

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/vi...t=price&page=1

You know, the cards that outsell the top end SKUs by like 10-15 to 1.

Same for 3070s:

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/vi...506&sort=price

At or above MSRP.

3050?

https://pcpartpicker.com/products/vi...518&sort=price

ALL above nVidia's recommended 249 MSRP.

There's been zero dip or lowered prices for the cards that most consumers buy. The discounts seen at the top end so they can clear inventory for 40-series are irrelevant to most people buying GPUs.

[DeltrusDisc]

Just saw a 3090 ti on sale at $999 USD HERE. Which brings it to price parity with the 6950xt, which ive seen as low as $950, and the 6900xt for $730 or so.

That's the new market. Second hand is going to be crazy, especially since btc is botched and eth has moved to proof of stake.

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Should probably take Moore's law is dead with a grain of salt. Complete fabrication of information. People like him just spout random nonsense day to day, and then brag how they were right when they get some minute detail correct.

Eww Plasticcy-byte. But alas, any 3090 Ti going for 999 or below is great!

I definitely hope Moore's Law is Dead is totally dead wrong on this. Hah, puns. Intel GPUs plz. Especially with the recent news of eVGA leaving... I really hope Intel can convince eVGA to join them.

eVGA should just be e, now, since they aren't in the VGA space anymore.

:'(