The Explorer Class Concept 2022

[Nightshade711]

Can’t wait for the Murloc Class/race since murlocs are featured so much in HotS/Hearthstone

They can even be Demon Hunters

[Teriz]

Can’t wait for the Murloc Class/race since murlocs are featured so much in HotS/Hearthstone

They can even be Demon Hunters

Not even remotely close to the same thing. Explorers would be WoW’s stand in for Bards, and we have multiple lore-bars WC heroes to codify what this class can/would do.

[Ielenia]

Until Blizz has actually come out with details on the makeover, the state of archaeology is the same as it ever was: abandoned for the better part of a decade.

"They'd like to figure out something better to do with it in the future."

• Archeology

• Archeology needs a fresh coat of paint, but it will not be getting anything new at the launch of Dragonflight.
• The focus on profession updates is on the main professions currently.
• The previous iteration of Archeology will not be returning.

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So a character that appeared in Hearthstone: Heroes of Warcraft

Is not a Warcraft character, by default, because the game is not canon to the Warcraft franchise.

Feel free to find me pics of the Cenarion Circle or Argent Dawn that resemble this;

*shrug* Promotional pictures don't define popularity. They exist, however, to promote the Hearthstone expansion where they are important set pieces.

Also we already had Druids (Cenarion Circle), and Paladins (Argent Dawn). We don't have any classes that resemble these characters,

We don't have to, though.

and yet they're presented in a class-like fashion, even down to possible specializations.

They're not. You're just interpreting it as such.

Like the poster above stated; It’s been abandoned for quite awhile. Blizzard didn’t even feel the need to update it in an expansion featuring prominent archeological characters.

Then read my answer to that same poster.

[Teriz]

Is not a Warcraft character, by default, because the game is not canon to the Warcraft franchise.

Wouldn’t said character be a WC character once it also appeared in something considered canon, like WoW?

*shrug* Promotional pictures don't define popularity. They exist, however, to promote the Hearthstone expansion where they are important set pieces.

They wouldn’t be doing promotional material for these characters if they weren’t popular. Blizzard heavily pushed the LoE in multiple Hearthstone expansions for that very reason.

We don't have to, though.

Merely pointing out how this is different than the Argent Dawn or the Cenarion Circle.

They're not. You're just interpreting it as such.

They are. You’re simply being obtuse.

Then read my answer to that same poster.

Which doesn’t change the argument that Archeology was abandoned by Blizzard.

[Ielenia]

Wouldn’t said character be a WC character once it also appeared in something considered canon, like WoW?

After it appeared in WoW? A version of said character would be canon to the Warcraft lore, but that doesn't mean said character is the exact same as how it is portrayed in Hearthstone. Again: Uther exists in both HotS and WoW, but Uther in HotS not only is not a Kyrian like he is in the main Warcraft lore, but he is also alive, and a death knight, things he is not in the Warcraft canon lore.

They wouldn’t be doing promotional material for these characters if they weren’t popular.

They would be doing promotional materials featuring those characters if those characters were prominently featured in the expansion.

Merely pointing out how this is different than the Argent Dawn or the Cenarion Circle.

I never said they're the same. I pointed out how they're not as popular as the examples I mentioned.

They are. You’re simply being obtuse.

I'm not being obtuse. I'm just looking at the facts objectively. You're taking a biased look at it because you want it to represent a class.

Which doesn’t change the argument that Archeology was abandoned by Blizzard.

Except it does, because it clearly spells out "we have not abandoned the archaeology profession".

[Teriz]

After it appeared in WoW? A version of said character would be canon to the Warcraft lore, but that doesn't mean said character is the exact same as how it is portrayed in Hearthstone. Again: Uther exists in both HotS and WoW, but Uther in HotS not only is not a Kyrian like he is in the main Warcraft lore, but he is also alive, and a death knight, things he is not in the Warcraft canon lore.

Yet Blizzard has a history of bringing non-canon attributes for their characters into WoW. The most common being abilities from outside of canon for new classes. Why couldn’t they do the same in this case?

They would be doing promotional materials featuring those characters if those characters were prominently featured in the expansion.

There was a larger promotional push for these characters after their big return in Saviors of Uldum and Descent of Dragons.

I never said they're the same. I pointed out how they're not as popular as the examples I mentioned.

Outside of Tirion Fordring (who is dead) what characters are popular or well known in the argent dawn or the Cenarion Circle?

Except it does, because it clearly spells out "we have not abandoned the archaeology profession".

As of this writing they have. Until we actually see some actual changes or improvements in archeology, it’s a dead profession.

[Nadiru]

"They'd like to figure out something better to do with it in the future."

Those...are not details. Basically the opposite of details, really.

[Ielenia]

Yet Blizzard has a history of bringing non-canon attributes for their characters into WoW.

Which does not mean everything non-canon is suddenly canon to WoW. Or even if a single character is now canon does not mean everything about said character is also canon.

There was a larger promotional push for these characters after their big return in Saviors of Uldum and Descent of Dragons.

Because they were part of the expansion, like I said.

Outside of Tirion Fordring (who is dead) what characters are popular or well known in the argent dawn or the Cenarion Circle?

Uther and Eitrigg for the Argent Crusade. And Malfurion, Hamuul, Broll, Remulos and Fandral for the Cenarion Circle.

As of this writing they have.

As per their own words, considering they're working to change it in a more meaningful way, they literally haven't.

Until we actually see some actual changes or improvements in archeology, it’s a dead profession.

As dead like the tinker class, eh? We don't need to see changes. We have their word that they're working on it. By your logic, WoW is a "dead game" and Dragonflight is the last expansion because we haven't seen any announcements, promotional material or anything for the expansion after Dragonflight. Better yet: the game won't even have a "patch 10.1" since Blizzard didn't announced anything about the next content patch. Do you see how your argument doesn't make any sense?

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Those...are not details. Basically the opposite of details, really.

We have a statement from Blizzard saying they're working to improve the profession in a meaningful way, but it won't be done for the expansion's launch. That literally means "we haven't abandoned it".

[Teriz]

Which does not mean everything non-canon is suddenly canon to WoW. Or even if a single character is now canon does not mean everything about said character is also canon.

Which was never the argument in the first place.

Because they were part of the expansion, like I said.

From IGN:

Hearthstone’s next expansion will be Saviors of Uldum, and it’s bringing back four of the most popular characters in Hearthstone history – Reno Jackson, Brann Bronzebeard, Elise Starseeker and Sir Finley Mrrgglton. Quite what form they’ll take hasn’t been revealed yet, but it makes perfect sense for these fan favourites to return, as Saviors of Uldum follows directly on from the last set, Rise of Shadows, as well as its Solo Adventure, The Dalaran Heist, in which a number of villains strapped rockets to the floating city of Dalaran and made off with it.

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/07...-is-back?amp=1

And from HS Top Decks when the LoE’s cards returned to standard this past Spring;

The League of Explorers characters are some of the absolute fan favorites in the Hearthstone community, and it’s little wonder they’ve returned in a wide variety of different forms over the years.

https://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/...p-in-the-meta/

Uther and Eitrigg for the Argent Crusade. And Malfurion, Hamuul, Broll, Remulos and Fandral for the Cenarion Circle.

LoL! Who? Aren’t most of those characters dead at this point? The only ones who stand out are Uther (dead), Malfurion (soon to be dead), and Fandral (dead).

As per their own words, considering they're working to change it in a more meaningful way, they literally haven't.

Again, none of that matters if it hasn’t taken place. Players starting in Dragonflight will still be playing with a profession that hasn’t been updated in years.

As dead like the tinker class, eh? We don't need to see changes. We have their word that they're working on it. By your logic, WoW is a "dead game" and Dragonflight is the last expansion because we haven't seen any announcements, promotional material or anything for the expansion after Dragonflight. Better yet: the game won't even have a "patch 10.1" since Blizzard didn't announced anything about the next content patch. Do you see how your argument doesn't make any sense?

Well no, since WoW was updated a few days ago. If WoW hadn’t been updated in 5 years your analogy would have some validity, because that’s the current state of the archeology profession.

[Ielenia]

Which was never the argument in the first place.

Except it was, when you originally claimed Reno is a blue dragon because he is a blue dragon in Hearthstone.

From IGN:

https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/07...-is-back?amp=1

And from HS Top Decks when the LoE’s cards returned to standard this past Spring;

https://www.hearthstonetopdecks.com/...p-in-the-meta/

But popular in Hearthstone does not mean they're "popular Warcraft characters". Which is the point, here.

LoL! Who?

"VIP NPCs such as Gazlowe" lolz who? "and Gelbin" lolz who? "and Blackfuse" lolz who?

Again, none of that matters if it hasn’t taken place.

So by your logic, Dragonflight is not only the last expansion for World of Warcraft, but it won't even have any more content patches. Because it hasn't happened yet.

Players starting in Dragonflight will still be playing with a profession that hasn’t been updated in years.

A profession that is currently being worked on, as per their words. They're not doing minor tweaks like they did for the current professions. They want to completely remake the profession.

Well no, since WoW was updated a few days ago. If WoW hadn’t been updated in 5 years your analogy would have some validity, because that’s the current state of the archeology profession.

It has validity. Because we have Blizzard's own words that they're thinking of ways to remake the profession into something more meaningful. You ignoring their words doesn't suddenly make them not exist.

[Teriz]

Except it was, when you originally claimed Reno is a blue dragon because he is a blue dragon in Hearthstone.

Reno is a dragon in HS, and since he's popping up in the dragon-based expansion, he's probably a blue dragon in WoW =/= Everything in HS is canon in WoW.

But popular in Hearthstone does not mean they're "popular Warcraft characters". Which is the point, here.

What's the difference? Hearthstone is part of the Warcraft franchise. WoW doesn't have the monopoly on anything and everything Warcraft.

"VIP NPCs such as Gazlowe" lolz who? "and Gelbin" lolz who? "and Blackfuse" lolz who?

I'm willing to bet that more players know who Gazlowe and Mekkatorque are than Hamuul, Eitregg and Broll.

So by your logic, Dragonflight is not only the last expansion for World of Warcraft, but it won't even have any more content patches. Because it hasn't happened yet.

Again, you're comparing a game that was updated a few days ago to a game feature that hasn't been actively updated since 2018.

What year is it again?

A profession that is currently being worked on, as per their words. They're not doing minor tweaks like they did for the current professions. They want to completely remake the profession.

It has validity. Because we have Blizzard's own words that they're thinking of ways to remake the profession into something more meaningful. You ignoring their words doesn't suddenly make them not exist.

Remember when Blizzard was "working on" these?




https://www.wowhead.com/news/artcraf...ssories-239843

That was a little over 8 years ago. Again, it doesn't mean anything until it's actually IN the game.

[Nadiru]

We have a statement from Blizzard saying they're working to improve the profession in a meaningful way, but it won't be done for the expansion's launch. That literally means "we haven't abandoned it".

Blizzard says things like that about a lot of features and they don't materialize.

[Ielenia]

Reno is a dragon in HS, and since he's popping up in the dragon-based expansion, he's probably a blue dragon in WoW

Which isn't what you originally said, remember? You're treating Reno as if it's "confirmed as a fact" that he is a blue dragon in WoW.

What's the difference? Hearthstone is part of the Warcraft franchise. WoW doesn't have the monopoly on anything and everything Warcraft.

Warcraft franchise, but not Warcraft lore. Again, you're literally ignoring Blizzard's own words regarding how Hearthstone is a "what if?" kind of game.

I'm willing to bet that more players know who Gazlowe and Mekkatorque are than Hamuul, Eitregg and Broll.

Okay. And I bet on the contrary. So what now?

Again, you're comparing a game that was updated a few days ago to a game feature that hasn't been actively updated since 2018.

What year is it again?

A feature that is, according to Blizzard, being updated as we speak. Your point?

Remember when Blizzard was "working on" these?

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https://bnetcmsus-a.akamaihd.net/cms...0201643805.jpg

https://www.wowhead.com/news/artcraft-transmoggable-class-relics-and-other-accessories-239843[/url]

That was a little over 8 years ago. Again, it doesn't mean anything until it's actually IN the game.

Well, by your own logic, that you established here:

Well no, since WoW was updated a few days ago. If WoW hadn’t been updated in 5 years your analogy would have some validity, because that’s the current state of the archeology profession.

Your argument will have some validity when Blizzard's statement about re-working archaeology is 8 years old. Until then, your example is invalid.

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Blizzard says things like that about a lot of features and they don't materialize.

If Blizzard wants to "abandon" Archaeology, they'd remove it from the game, like they did with tailoring. They haven't done that.

[hulkgor]

Fresh concept, i'll give ya that.

Doesn't seem interesting (nor feasible for that matter), but at least it was original. Thanks for the effort!

[Teriz]

Which isn't what you originally said, remember? You're treating Reno as if it's "confirmed as a fact" that he is a blue dragon in WoW.

I would argue that it is far more likely that Reno is a dragon than not a dragon. However, that still doesn't mean that ALL of HS' lore is WoW's lore. No one made that argument.

Warcraft franchise, but not Warcraft lore. Again, you're literally ignoring Blizzard's own words regarding how Hearthstone is a "what if?" kind of game.

An arbitrary rule you created. Nothing states that a Warcraft character has to be only from canon lore. Brightwing for example is a Warcraft character, but not based in WoW or canon lore. Your arbitrary rule is even more silly when you consider that Blizzard pulls from non-canon sources consistently for WoW content.

Okay. And I bet on the contrary. So what now?

You'd be wrong. Gazlowe and Mekkatorque are faction leaders, not some randos from older expansions.

A feature that is, according to Blizzard, being updated as we speak. Your point?


Well, by your own logic, that you established here:

Your argument will have some validity when Blizzard's statement about re-working archaeology is 8 years old. Until then, your example is invalid.

And as usual you miss the point. The POINT is that just because Blizzard says they're "working on" something doesn't mean its actually going to happen. Those items I posted were not only supposedly being "worked on", but there was concept art for them, and a layout of how they were going to work.

Nothing was ever released.

[Ielenia]

I would argue that it is far more likely that Reno is a dragon than not a dragon. However, that still doesn't mean that ALL of HS' lore is WoW's lore. No one made that argument.

But it doesn't change the fact that you're treating it as it is. After all, you literally said he is a dragon in DF. That the reason Reno would be in DF is because he is a dragon. Do we have even a single shred of evidence that Reno could be a dragon in WoW? No, we do not. You're taking HS as being canon to affirm such.

An arbitrary rule you created.

This would be laughably amusing if it wasn't so sad with how you're complaining about "other people's arbitrary rules", yet you see no problem at all touting your own arbitrary rules as facts. But, again, those were literally Blizzard's own words: "Hearthstone is a "what if?" take on Warcraft" means the game is not canon to the franchise's lore.

You'd be wrong.

Okay. And I say you'd be wrong. So what now?

And as usual you miss the point. The POINT is that just because Blizzard says they're "working on" something doesn't mean its actually going to happen.

I simply dismissed your argument using the same "rules" you established. Other than that, this isn't the same situation. What you point out is a cosmetic customization feature that would be brand new to the game. Archaeology, on the other hand, is a feature that already exists within the game that is being worked on to be updated. If Blizzard had abandoned the archaeology profession, they'd just have removed it, like they did with the "first aid" profession.

[Teriz]

But it doesn't change the fact that you're treating it as it is.

Which is a perfectly reasonable assumption based on the available evidence.

This would be laughably amusing if it wasn't so sad with how you're complaining about "other people's arbitrary rules", yet you see no problem at all touting your own arbitrary rules as facts. But, again, those were literally Blizzard's own words: "Hearthstone is a "what if?" take on Warcraft" means the game is not canon to the franchise's lore.

Yet Blizzard pulls from it constantly for canon content....

So again, if a character is popular in Hearthstone and can get pulled into WoW at any time, why does it matter if its canon? It's a popular Warcraft character regardless.

Okay. And I say you'd be wrong. So what now?

If you want to actually believe that more players know whatever rando you pulled from that list better than Gazlowe or Mekkatorque, that's your business.

I simply dismissed your argument using the same "rules" you established. Other than that, this isn't the same situation. What you point out is a cosmetic customization feature that would be brand new to the game. Archaeology, on the other hand, is a feature that already exists within the game that is being worked on to be updated. If Blizzard had abandoned the archaeology profession, they'd just have removed it, like they did with the "first aid" profession.

It's not rules, it's precedent. Blizzard has said many things are in the works for WoW that never actually materialized. That's the point.

[raz98]

You know what? I'd play it. This sounds cool! better than fucking dracthyr, and honestly its a lot more interesting than tinker and I actually want tinkers.