Soooo... EVGA tells nVidia to Bugger Off

[rogoth]

Strix is top end, ROG is mid-tier, TUF is bottom tier from how I remember it.

incorrect, ASUS has several tiers of cards:

the 'Dual mini' series is their cheapest brand

'Dual OC' is next step up

TUF gaming is their 'mid range' brand

ROG Strix is their 'high end' brand

they stopped segregating the 'ROG' brand and 'Strix' brand in the GPU space a few generations ago and now it's just one brand for their highest tier cards type.

for the 30 series exclusively they partnered up with Noctua to make a custom air cooled 3080 which is unique to ASUS and the 30 series from Nvidia.

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This just makes me laugh. Has it become a hobby to bash on Gigabyte? or is it because Gigabyte are actually making better product then Asus and the fan boys are getting butt hurt?

i don't know how old you are but i have had dealings with gigabyte since the 90's, and every interaction has been a bad one, my first 'gaming pc' that i built for myself has a gigabyte motherboard which constantly had issues despite being sent for repair multiple times before i got rid of that system and built a new one from scratch, i have had gigabyte GPUs in the past that have also had issues, and as a company they have been consistently bad with both their product quality as well as their customer service, with thousands of well documented and well highlighted incidents over the decades now, the last of which was the known faulty power supplies that exploded upon tripping OCP, see the GN videos on the topic for full information, not just that but at the launch of the 30 series they had major problems with their Aorus branded cards and many instances of failed or misplaced RMA's, so no, it's not a hobby, it's based on historical and not so historical evidence, if that's unclear to you then that's a 'you issue' and nothing i can help you with.

[The Oblivion]

Makes no sense and biggest tech drama maybe ever. I know he said hes not gonna sell the company, but what else you gonna do if you loose all that revenue. Anywho, great something vs Nvidia happens.

Im happy with my 970 asus strix model, and ill likely buy a strix model again. No issues since 2015, quiet with not to bad a coil whine, but still not great.

its explained in a few videos that while video cards are a lot of total revenue, its barely any profit. so while revenue could go from 100m to 40m, profit might only go from 10m to 9m.

mostly it will impact jobs. the company bottom line will take a hit, but from everything ive read, it wont be massive at all.

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EVGA is the number 1 seller of video cards on planet earth and Nvidia's number 1 partner by far. It does not even come close. These are the facts, google it.

Also 80% of EVGA's business is selling video cards, some say this will be the end of EVGA. It is a very sad day for gamers.

I have bought EVGA products for almost 20 years, never had a issue except with the 3090, which they replaced for free. Free shipping, completely free swap for a new model and have had no issues with that. Customer service they had was 2nd to NONE.

Sad day

se above, it will likely barely impact the companies profitability

[Medievaldragon]

Strix is top end, ROG is mid-tier, TUF is bottom tier from how I remember it.

huh? That's messed up. ROG = Republic of Gamers. They should have gone with that as the top-end. lol

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What cards are you comparing? Kingpin or something? EVGA has never been a top dog when it comes to Nvidia GPUs, both MSI and ASUS have been consistently ahead. Gigabyte I would avoid at all cost - they have had major issues with all of their Nvidia lineups in last 3 generations. AMD I would just avoid: noone except Sapphire does custom boards and regardless of how good the board or cooling is GPU itself is the weak spot. They just tend to die.

As I said, noone makes cards that have no issues. Those issues also depend on a specific model and can vary heavily inside single generation lineups of the same vendor.

My first Windows PC was an HP with a ATI RADEON 9800. The card overheated and died. I sent it back to HP, still under warranty. They sent me a new one. It eventually burned too. After that, I said eff ATI cards. I never had any EVGA NVIDIA card die. Ever.

FYI: ATI was purchased by AMD. I know AMD cards are a different beast, but fool me once. Shame on them. Fool me twice. Shame on me. lol

[Thunderball]

EVGA is the number 1 seller of video cards on planet earth and Nvidia's number 1 partner by far. It does not even come close. These are the facts, google it.

No. They're just the largest AIB by market share in the US. EVGA was very poorly represented elsewhere outside of the US.

I have bought EVGA products for almost 20 years, never had a issue except with the 3090, which they replaced for free. Free shipping, completely free swap for a new model and have had no issues with that. Customer service they had was 2nd to NONE.

Yes. In the US.

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Gigabyte fixed their issues with the RTX cards some time ago. I've got a V2 Gaming OC 3080 and it's running perfectly fine. A lot of the early 30 series cards had problems because the chucklefucks were all omitting having a couple of the more expensive MLCC NAND chips on the board in order to save costs, so when they were boosting, they were causing systems to shut down. This was patched by limiting how much it can boost, but didn't exactly fix the design flaws of the cards.

They fixed the issues that prevented them from making profit, not all issues. Subpar power circuitry, board warp issues, just mediocre board design in general (to the point that reference boards are better) is just sad.

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This just makes me laugh. Has it become a hobby to bash on Gigabyte? or is it because Gigabyte are actually making better product then Asus and the fan boys are getting butt hurt?

No dude, Gigabyte have been making trash GPUs for the past 3 generations. It's only fair to bash them.

[ldev]

huh? That's messed up. ROG = Republic of Gamers. They should have gone with that as the top-end. lol

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My first Windows PC was an HP with a ATI RADEON 9800. The card overheated and died. I sent it back to HP, still under warranty. They sent me a new one. It eventually burned too. After that, I said eff ATI cards. I never had any EVGA NVIDIA card die. Ever.

FYI: ATI was purchased by AMD. I know AMD cards are a different beast, but fool me once. Shame on them. Fool me twice. Shame on me. lol

Eh, I had Radeon 9250, then Radeon 9600, and then Radeon HD 2600 - worked fine. Linux support was poop compared to nVidia, that's about it.

[pansertjald]

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i don't know how old you are but i have had dealings with gigabyte since the 90's, and every interaction has been a bad one, my first 'gaming pc' that i built for myself has a gigabyte motherboard which constantly had issues despite being sent for repair multiple times before i got rid of that system and built a new one from scratch, i have had gigabyte GPUs in the past that have also had issues, and as a company they have been consistently bad with both their product quality as well as their customer service, with thousands of well documented and well highlighted incidents over the decades now, the last of which was the known faulty power supplies that exploded upon tripping OCP, see the GN videos on the topic for full information, not just that but at the launch of the 30 series they had major problems with their Aorus branded cards and many instances of failed or misplaced RMA's, so no, it's not a hobby, it's based on historical and not so historical evidence, if that's unclear to you then that's a 'you issue' and nothing i can help you with.

I have had computers since the early 90's and i have only ever had problems with Gigabyte one time and that was with the gigabyte z270x gaming 7, wich just died on me. I have had plenty of Gigabyte GPUs and non of them have been bad or died on me.

The brands i have had most problems with is Asus and MSI. 2 motherboards and 2 GPUs from Asus has been bad for me. One GPU was DOA. I have had 2 MSI Lighting cards die on me.

Yes they had the BIG PSU problem with exploding PSUs or what the problem was and they did NOT do a good job of fixing it and yes that of course leaves a bad marke on them. But their gpu's and Motherboards are still in the top. So the only problem i see with Gigabyte is that their custom service can be lagging, but if you can live with that, then you get just as good products as with the other brands.

I myself have never had problems with thier custom servicce, but i have only used them one time and i got my money back for the Gaming 7 board, because they din't make it any more. When i Googled them i can see just as many people having good experiences with them as bad.

My old Gigabyte 2070 windforce is still running strong in my fathers machine and my bothers gigabyte rtx 2080 ti windforce is also still running strong.

ALL the brands had problems with the 3000 series at the start. EVGAs 3090 cards that died on people when they played New World. Asus had 3090 cards send to customers with big scratches on them and the 3080 cards just black screening. MSI had boosting problems on some of their cards. So Again they ALL had problems at the start of the 3000 series

So yes in my eyes bashing on Gigabyte has just become a hobby. You can bash their custom service all you want, but the product are just as good as the others and they still make some of the best motherboards

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No dude, Gigabyte have been making trash GPUs for the past 3 generations. It's only fair to bash them.

Care to linke to all thoose bad GPUs?. I can't find any more then what all the other brands has.

All the brands has low tier cards, wich is nothing to write home about and they all have top of the line products. They all have hit and misses and i can't find any more problems with Gigabyte GPUs then wit Asus, MSI and EVGA.

[Ealyssa]

It is incredibly disrespectful to partners to hold them in the dark until the general public finds out about something

No, it's not. That's just the rule of the game. That's how every other companies play this.
Sure they may not like it, but it's not like Nvidia made sudden change in their business behavior. It was always like that, it was always like that for everyone.

Calling that "disrespectful" is just dumb. EVGA made billions with Nvidia's products. They just want more of the pie after the few incredibly profitable crypto-growth years. It's another billionaire fight, and anyone siding for either of those big corporation crying for more money is just dumb.

[Skalm]

No, it's not. That's just the rule of the game. That's how every other companies play this.
Sure they may not like it, but it's not like Nvidia made sudden change in their business behavior. It was always like that, it was always like that for everyone.

Calling that "disrespectful" is just dumb. EVGA made billions with Nvidia's products. They just want more of the pie after the few incredibly profitable crypto-growth years. It's another billionaire fight, and anyone siding for either of those big corporation crying for more money is just dumb.

This is exactly what I think. They were raking in the cash, but they(EVGA) wanted better margins. Nvidia wouldn't give it to them.

EVGA said they will break the partnership, Nvidia said 'go for it'.

[Gaidax]

Did you watch the video?
It is incredibly disrespectful to partners to hold them in the dark until the general public finds out about something, especially something as important AS THE PRICE. Oh, and price caps on what they can charge, meaning they're guaranteed to lose money on halo products.

And yes, it is a business, that's why they decided to stop making GPUs, because it's not worth the massive fucking hassle it is for them

Or that's what EVGA say...

I am weirded out by this unconditional taking of EVGA's response on this as some sort of gospel truth.

[Kagthul]

Or that's what EVGA say...

I am weirded out by this unconditional taking of EVGA's response on this as some sort of gospel truth.

It wasnt unconditional, and they have confirmation that those are, in fact, nVidiac's policies and behaviours from literally every other AIB partner. Its not like GN doesn't talk to GB, ASUS, et al.

Those things that nVidia does (not even telling their own AIB partners the price until just weeks before launch, which might literally mean that an AIB cant make money on a product because their cost for their card is higher than nVidia's pricing allows) are factual. Its not a rumor.

So you do all the legwork (advertising, getting into consumer channels, PR, etc) that all adds cost, have to wonder if your products can even be sold for a profit, have to deal with all the actual manufacturing problems (sourcing components, PCB design if not reference, etc) ...

to MAYBE make a 5% profit.

EVGA just decided it wasn't fucking worth it. While GPUs were 80% of their revenue, they werent even half of their profit. Let that sink in.

[Temp name]

Or that's what EVGA say...

I am weirded out by this unconditional taking of EVGA's response on this as some sort of gospel truth.

The sources GN has in other AIB partners says the same thing though.

[Cyanotical]

I've owned and purchased a lot of EVGA stuff over the years and honestly this news caught me off guard, but the same time, perhaps karma is catching up to them, despite what people claim on the internet about their support, in the many times i have had to deal with a broken EVGA product, i have never received any of the legendary customer service they are known for.

and about that legendary customer service, it was all built on a lie. their rep for amazing customer service came from them honoring warranty claims on gpus people had waterblocked but could return to stock. the reality is they were just following US consumer protection laws which prohibit manufacturers from voiding warranties due to aftermarket modification, they were never doing us a favor.

it'll be interesting to see where they go as a company.

[Ringthane]

i don't know how old you are but i have had dealings with gigabyte since the 90's, and every interaction has been a bad one, my first 'gaming pc' that i built for myself has a gigabyte motherboard which constantly had issues despite being sent for repair multiple times before i got rid of that system and built a new one from scratch, i have had gigabyte GPUs in the past that have also had issues, and as a company they have been consistently bad with both their product quality as well as their customer service, with thousands of well documented and well highlighted incidents over the decades now, the last of which was the known faulty power supplies that exploded upon tripping OCP, see the GN videos on the topic for full information, not just that but at the launch of the 30 series they had major problems with their Aorus branded cards and many instances of failed or misplaced RMA's, so no, it's not a hobby, it's based on historical and not so historical evidence, if that's unclear to you then that's a 'you issue' and nothing i can help you with.

No, that's a you issue. You had a bad motherboard. You had a bad GPU. You. Not everyone. You.

I had a Gigabyte motherboard for years that was fine. I don't remember if I've had any of their GPUs, but that doesn't mean they're bad. I've had so many computers since the 90's I can't remember every part. So that's two experiences about their products. One good, one bad.

[Tommi]

ALL the brands had problems with the 3000 series at the start. EVGAs 3090 cards that died on people when they played New World. Asus had 3090 cards send to customers with big scratches on them and the 3080 cards just black screening. MSI had boosting problems on some of their cards. So Again they ALL had problems at the start of the 3000 series

I must have been only person to not have an issue with the launch 3080's, and still haven't. Even when people had issues with them not going over 2000mhz core without crashing, I had no such issues.

In this video, you can clearly see my MSI gaming Trio X over 2000mhz, not a crash at all. And it was ment to be one of the ones with problems...

[rogoth]

No, that's a you issue. You had a bad motherboard. You had a bad GPU. You. Not everyone. You.

I had a Gigabyte motherboard for years that was fine. I don't remember if I've had any of their GPUs, but that doesn't mean they're bad. I've had so many computers since the 90's I can't remember every part. So that's two experiences about their products. One good, one bad.

thank you for missing the galaxy sized point i was making because you failed to grasp the concept.

i clearly stated what issues i had, had with the company as a way to provide my own personal anecdotal evidence, what i also said was that the company as a whole is well known for bad quality products with thousands of examples all well documented over the decades now of both poor quality, and very poor customer service to remedy problems with said products as those issues arose, not just that but the absolutely horrific way gigabyte responds and communicates with their customer base as seen most recently with the shambolic press release provided in response to the shoddy and life threatening power supplies they sold, instead of owning the mistake and apologising, they instead decided to try and blame anybody else for the issue and despite offering replacements (which all but acknowledged they were wrong), they still kept to the company line of 'not us, you!', and that's exactly how i have felt whenever i have dealt with them over the years, to the point where i will actively avoid anything made by them because of my past bad experiences personally, and the well documented large scale issues they have had over the decades, how is this hard for you to understand?

as a final point, the products i mentioned i had issues with, they were well known for being problematic at the time they were current tech, that's what makes them perfect examples of why this company is very low on the quality scale for me and millions of other people like me.

[pansertjald]

I must have been only person to not have an issue with the launch 3080's, and still haven't. Even when people had issues with them not going over 2000mhz core without crashing, I had no such issues.

In this video, you can clearly see my MSI gaming Trio X over 2000mhz, not a crash at all. And it was ment to be one of the ones with problems...

Whats the point of your post?.

Nowhere in my post do i say All cards. I said that all the brands had problems at the start of the 3000 series with some of their cards.

[Rennadrel]

No, that's a you issue. You had a bad motherboard. You had a bad GPU. You. Not everyone. You.

I had a Gigabyte motherboard for years that was fine. I don't remember if I've had any of their GPUs, but that doesn't mean they're bad. I've had so many computers since the 90's I can't remember every part. So that's two experiences about their products. One good, one bad.

My first ever custom build ran a Gigabyte board and GPU and that thing was great. I think it was one of those high core count AMD CPU's that they made about 10 years ago and a Radeon 6770. I've never had an issue with Gigabyte products that I've used over the years.