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  1. #141
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tentim View Post
    The problem with leaving it in is it wouldnt be used. Don't ask me why but in wod people would fight over getting into runs with reserves and shunned personal loot.

    Made a pretty penny reserving boes that way.
    That's why you simply don't allow pugs an option, if the group isn't 90%+ from a single guild then sorry, it's personal loot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gramlen View Post
    Sounds like a community solution's been provided for a community problem. See you when DF releases.
    No, you won't. I quit for 3/4s of BFA and played for a whole, single month in SL. The game is in the dumpster now, and if Blizzards idea of improvement is stepping backwards then it's not going to go anywhere. There's always a slim hope it could somehow improve, but at this point I really doubt it's going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marcusblood View Post
    While I agree that personal loot has a place as a great system for pugs, I couldn't be happier to see Blizzard make the right decision to remove it entirely.

    I've argued this for over 4 years with people here, feels great to be right.
    Except they've also remove PL for LFR also, which is idiotic.

    Also, leave PL in-game, as a choice even for organised raiding.
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  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by Vargur View Post
    Except they've also remove PL for LFR also, which is idiotic.

    Also, leave PL in-game, as a choice even for organised raiding.
    I don't think I would mind if it remained an option, but there's no argument that making PL the ONLY method of loot was a horrible idea, so horrible they reverted.

  4. #144
    Loot seems so extremely scarce now raiding just seems pointless.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by Woobels View Post
    Loot seems so extremely scarce now raiding just seems pointless.
    I just dropped raiding, and keep spamming M+. So much more worth now. Sadly. Personal Loot should be an Option on Groups from LFG Tool.

  6. #146
    Do not mind the group loot even in LFR.

    But ffs. did it on 2 alts. saw more bows dropped then there are orcs in ogrimmar. Same goes for the other loot. each boss dropped atleast 1 double item.

    I have no problem with GL in LFR....if the chances are at the same level as PL. But seeing double items drop makes me sad.

    I remmember once on my druid, when i was still mythic raiding that i had 2 months without seeing any tier token. Even contact a GM. ( could not help me offcourse). But he did say it was very weird....Next week all bosses started to drop my tier tokens......still the weirdest GM encouter ever. Almost think he was making the loot drop for me ( i know, not possible).
    ( okay not the weirdest). that would be being grieffed by some (enter expletive here) group of horde players ( not all horde are bad, but those where). GM came in, killed them/teleported them away. And gave me a mount for all my troubles i had.... do not remmember what mount it was.

  7. #147
    I would agree that in premade groups, you should be able to pick what kind of loot system you want (Personal, group, master I suppose).
    But for queued content, I see no reason at all to use group loot. And since they changed to group loot in raids, why not in dungeons as well for consistency at least?

    Nothing sucks more than seeing two of the same items being dropped, and the same guy winning both items.
    And as someone else have said many times: I'd rather be upset at the game for not giving me loot, than at another player for "Rolling higher than me".

    I hope they change LFR back to personal loot. It was way nicer in my opinion.

  8. #148
    I think as a community we've largely outgrown loot distribution as something that really can only cause strife. I was completely okay with forced personal loot everywhere, but the next best thing is literally move away from loot as it is altogether and just award different kinds of tokens which can be exchanged for specific items.

    Perhaps unpopular opinion, but I've literally never had a good feeling from loot distribution ever in this game.

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked View Post
    I think as a community we've largely outgrown loot distribution as something that really can only cause strife. I was completely okay with forced personal loot everywhere, but the next best thing is literally move away from loot as it is altogether and just award different kinds of tokens which can be exchanged for specific items.

    Perhaps unpopular opinion, but I've literally never had a good feeling from loot distribution ever in this game.
    I kind of agree. Gear has always been a bit of a sore spot for me in this game, I get they want the gearing process to take time so it's more rewarding and people stick around (understandable) but they've at no point managed to hit a sweet spot, imo. Only good experience I've had with it was with a high end(ish) guild with a legitimately good loot council back in WoD but that's obviously very prone to going wrong too.

  10. #150
    Quote Originally Posted by Cracked View Post
    I think as a community we've largely outgrown loot distribution as something that really can only cause strife. I was completely okay with forced personal loot everywhere, but the next best thing is literally move away from loot as it is altogether and just award different kinds of tokens which can be exchanged for specific items.

    Perhaps unpopular opinion, but I've literally never had a good feeling from loot distribution ever in this game.
    I HATE the loot whoring in classic. GDKP and SR systems are really just designed to help super geared people at the expense of those with less gear, and it turns loot into a game with strategy (well, actually gdkp just turns it into a gold buying game). Just effing roll ms/os and stop being such a prick about everything.

    And yes, I say this right now with a 210 ilvl priest on classic that is often the most geared character in my pug groups, so it’s not just about me being selfish too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpaghettiMonk View Post
    I HATE the loot whoring in classic. GDKP and SR systems are really just designed to help super geared people at the expense of those with less gear, and it turns loot into a game with strategy (well, actually gdkp just turns it into a gold buying game). Just effing roll ms/os and stop being such a prick about everything.

    And yes, I say this right now with a 210 ilvl priest on classic that is often the most geared character in my pug groups, so it’s not just about me being selfish too.


    As someone who runs a guild and hosts multiple SR/GDKP groups a week at my guildmates request for alts... be the change you want to see. Host your own MS/OS rolled runs. I advocate for doing what you prefer if your needs aren't met elsewhere. If your views are popular your fellow like minded folks will thank you.

  12. #152
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkimpact View Post
    As someone who runs a guild and hosts multiple SR/GDKP groups a week at my guildmates request for alts... be the change you want to see. Host your own MS/OS rolled runs. I advocate for doing what you prefer if your needs aren't met elsewhere. If your views are popular your fellow like minded folks will thank you.
    Oh I’m very aware that my opinions are in huge minority… doesn’t mean I’m wrong, in my opinion it means I’m just not as selfish as other players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vargur View Post
    Except they've also remove PL for LFR also, which is idiotic.

    Also, leave PL in-game, as a choice even for organised raiding.
    yeah it should've been left in for LFR.

  14. #154
    Personal loot sucked ass. I hated the feeling of killing multiple bosses in a row in raids or dungeons and not seeing a single piece of loot drop.

    Even if I don’t win anything, I more enjoy the feeling of seeing pieces of loot actually drop and having people get excited when their need roll wins the piece

  15. #155
    I don't get why they removed it from LFR, that's like the one place I think even the hardcore DKP type guys (or w/e madeup score system) can agree it was good for. Now running this week's LFR everybody eas standing around for 10 minutes trying to figure out if they won something or not.
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  16. #156
    problem with group loot is that if you can roll need/greed on it every numnuts who likes nothing more then to piss other will roll need just to get it and deprive someone of it even if they dont need it. thats what i dont like about group loot
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  17. #157
    I feel having it in LFR is wrong, rest is fine

  18. #158
    They just keep making it easier to justify quitting.

  19. #159
    Quote Originally Posted by Terminatrix View Post
    problem with group loot is that if you can roll need/greed on it every numnuts who likes nothing more then to piss other will roll need just to get it and deprive someone of it even if they dont need it. thats what i dont like about group loot
    If it was personal loot, those same people would still get gear they don't need and refuse to trade it. The only difference is that you wouldn't feel like you had a shot at it in the first place and they'd get the satisfaction of trolling everyone who whispers them for it.

  20. #160
    Quote Originally Posted by itzLCD View Post
    Personal loot sucked ass. I hated the feeling of killing multiple bosses in a row in raids or dungeons and not seeing a single piece of loot drop.

    Even if I don’t win anything, I more enjoy the feeling of seeing pieces of loot actually drop and having people get excited when their need roll wins the piece

    You must be blind then if you have not seen ANY drop for anybody

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