RIP Personal Loot

[Merin]

Loot is nothing more then a means to an end why even bother or care about it and once you see it that way part of the hook they use is gone.

This is dumbfounding... you have completely cracked the code.

Never, not one time have I considered in the past 18 years that this loot centric MMORPG was using its upfront, literal design goals to make me want to play it!

Showing this shit to a Diablo designer must be like some "They Live" shit.

[jeezusisacasual]

This is dumbfounding... you have completely cracked the code.

Never, not one time have I considered in the past 18 years that this loot centric MMORPG was using its upfront, literal design goals to make me want to play it!

Showing this shit to a Diablo designer must be like some "They Live" shit.

Thanks its what i am here for to help everyone figure out the correct path forward ya know. If it was such a remarkable way to retain players then they would obviously have more but again i treat WoW in this cycle.

I reroll to a new class or spec every single patch. I join a guild for that patch. I raid with them and clear Heroic and get KSM then i just say gg and take a break until the next patch cycle is out since to me chasing logs or chasing gear no longer matters once my own goals are completed 2 bosses to go with KSM done then its break time until the next cycle.

I even tell said guild i am taking a break and may swap to another role or class when i come back but most do not like that approach at all it seems.

[Anzen]

Personal loot sucked ass. I hated the feeling of killing multiple bosses in a row in raids or dungeons and not seeing a single piece of loot drop.

Even if I don’t win anything, I more enjoy the feeling of seeing pieces of loot actually drop and having people get excited when their need roll wins the piece

Maybe it depends on whose glasses you look at this through.

Last week in a raid with 2 shammy/priest/paladin tier users (my resto shaman and a shadow priest), I can't say I felt the surge of excitement watching them win all 4 tier tokens that dropped and going from 0>4 set in one raid.

But on the flipside, I bet he was having a whale of a time.

Similarly half the raid was spent listening to people complain about the people that won the other tier tokens, because they may have already had the exact same item already equipped. General attitude was "I'm allowed to roll need so I roll need. Sorry you didn't win the roll".

[badaku]

Good! It feels nice to give stuff away when you get something via personal loot, but everyone thinks you're an asshole if you just give it to the first whisperer.

[Terminatrix]

If it was personal loot, those same people would still get gear they don't need and refuse to trade it. The only difference is that you wouldn't feel like you had a shot at it in the first place and they'd get the satisfaction of trolling everyone who whispers them for it.

i would rather not knowing what i miss on then knowing that a yoyo rolled on it only for the gold

[Glorious Leader]

if a dev is reading this, that's how you lose subs.

Hey pal I may criticize the devs alot on this forum but this is unfair to them. they've proven time and again they have no idea how to retain subs.

[epigramx]

Hey pal I may criticize the devs alot on this forum but this is unfair to them. they've proven time and again they have no idea how to retain subs.

at this point the sub should be free

[Vargur]

I don't get why they removed it from LFR, that's like the one place I think even the hardcore DKP type guys (or w/e madeup score system) can agree it was good for. Now running this week's LFR everybody eas standing around for 10 minutes trying to figure out if they won something or not.

Indeed, Blizzard made LFR about loot now, with GL implemented back.

[neocount]

While I agree that personal loot has a place as a great system for pugs, I couldn't be happier to see Blizzard make the right decision to remove it entirely.

I've argued this for over 4 years with people here, feels great to be right.

I've already seen more loot drama in the last few weeks than the entire tenure of personal loot.

[kenn9530]

everyone that complained about personal loot has realised it was probably WoWs best loot system, group loot is not a good loot system at all unless you enjoy not getting anything from raids for several lockouts or spamming dungeons and get a useless item drop you cant even use.

[TheRevenantHero]

Removing personal loot is hands down one of the worst decisions that could possibly be made. Without personal loot, pugs have very little opportunity to get loot as the raid leader gives loot to whoever the fuck they feel like giving it to. Did get into a group where the raid leader's significant other is also in the group? Get ready to only get loot after THEY have had their fill.

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i would rather not knowing what i miss on then knowing that a yoyo rolled on it only for the gold

Exactly this right here. I've straight up seen people win a roll and then fucking turn it into enchanting mats immediately.

[munkeyinorbit]

Removing personal loot is hands down one of the worst decisions that could possibly be made. Without personal loot, pugs have very little opportunity to get loot as the raid leader gives loot to whoever the fuck they feel like giving it to. Did get into a group where the raid leader's significant other is also in the group? Get ready to only get loot after THEY have had their fill.

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Exactly this right here. I've straight up seen people win a roll and then fucking turn it into enchanting mats immediately.

Im confused.
How does the RL give loot to the guild GF? Is there now a way to lock loot?
How do you know what item is being disenchanted? Is there a macro or something announcing it?

[Terminatrix]

Im confused.
How does the RL give loot to the guild GF? Is there now a way to lock loot?
How do you know what item is being disenchanted? Is there a macro or something announcing it?

well when someone wins a roll and 3 sec later you see a message pop in chat he got x shard from DE dont have to be a math teacher to add 1+1

[Osmeric]

well when someone wins a roll and 3 sec later you see a message pop in chat he got x shard from DE dont have to be a math teacher to add 1+1

They could be sharding the item it replaces.

[tomten]

Im confused.
How does the RL give loot to the guild GF? Is there now a way to lock loot?
How do you know what item is being disenchanted? Is there a macro or something announcing it?

They announce in the guild, hey, we use loot council.
Everyone uses addon, RL send settings to auto pass on any loot.
RL tells everyone to pass on all items. RL greed as all of them, gets all loot.
Loot has the "can trade with any eligible player for 2 hours" and the council decides who and what loot people get and they hand it out via trade window.

Its just masterloot with extra steps but thats how pretty much all runs are now.

[leorana]

I haven't won a single LFR item/roll since launch. Good thing we still have M+, crafted gear, valor, vault and revival catalysts.

I skipped LFR all together last two lockouts because why bother not getting any loot, not to mention at this point (and fire rings can't be needed by bdk) there's nothing for me there.

[Koollan]

Good riddance to personal loot! Took them long enough. Positive change all around, and it needs to stay for good.

(Though, I do think it's silly for it to not exist in LFR, considering how many people are in there and how much conflict and negativity is inherent to LFR as a whole.)

[marcusblood]

I've already seen more loot drama in the last few weeks than the entire tenure of personal loot.

Keep crying

[crusadernero]

Good riddance to personal loot! Took them long enough. Positive change all around, and it needs to stay for good.

(Though, I do think it's silly for it to not exist in LFR, considering how many people are in there and how much conflict and negativity is inherent to LFR as a whole.)

This. Makes no sense not having PL in LFR.

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I haven't won a single LFR item/roll since launch. Good thing we still have M+, crafted gear, valor, vault and revival catalysts.

I skipped LFR all together last two lockouts because why bother not getting any loot, not to mention at this point (and fire rings can't be needed by bdk) there's nothing for me there.

I outgeared LFR quickly too. I only to raz for the chance for skin and bow(mostly cause its cool, got better already).

[neocount]

Keep crying

What a truly inspired contribution to the discussion.