Kamala Harris vs Trump/DeSantis

[TheramoreIsTheBomb]

If Biden decides not to run again in 2024 and steps down prior to the election making Kamala the President would you think she would win against DeSantis or Trump if either one received the nomination for President?

Here's my projections for each one.

Harris -- DeSantis



Harris -- Trump



Who do you think would win in this scenario?

[Cthulhu 2020]

"If Biden decides to not run again"

So this is basically fantasy football but with political elections?

[beanman12345]

So AZ is just a blue state now? lol, okay I'm cool with that.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

If Biden decides not to run again in 2024 and steps down prior to the election making Kamala the President would you think she would win against DeSantis or Trump if either one received the nomination for President?

Here's my projections for each one.

Harris -- DeSantis



Harris -- Trump



Who do you think would win in this scenario?

You're making an assumption that if Biden Steps down Harris automatically becomes the Democratic Nominee. Newsom looks like he's positioning himself for a run at President.

Also, no surpise you "projected" Trump over both Desantis and Harris to that extent.

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"If Biden decides to not run again"

So this is basically fantasy football but with political elections?

It's not really that outlandish of an idea though...Biden will be 81 (Turning 82) in 2024.

[Cthulhu 2020]

It's not really that outlandish of an idea though...Biden will be 81 (Turning 82) in 2024.

I have serious doubts. For one, everyone knows incumbents just have an easy time winning reelection (which is why it was so laughable that Trump lost). Everyone goes with a comfortable favorite over and "unknown" so even if he wanted to retire, there would be pressure from Democrats for him to stay another 4 years. If he dies, Harris is in charge. No super big change of leadership.

We're also in war time. Yes, it's a proxy war, but Russia keeps saber rattling at the west for their involvement in Ukraine. Biden has been at the head of all this, and a change in leadership at the top for someone who's been dealing with the issue is not exactly the best thing to do, unless the public woefully disagrees with how the leader is handling it. But overall, if you ignore the Trumpians who blame everything on Biden, including stubbing their own toes, the majority of people generally approve of how the US is handling Ukraine. Namely, just giving tons of money and weapons.

[The Stormbringer]

Harris has no chance running solo, and I think she knows that. If Biden decides not to run again, there's no way in hell she's going to be on the Presidential ballot. Maybe as VP for whoever else runs, but not as President. She would have to be an absolute moron to do so.

[enigma77]

the racist, wicked witch is deeply unpopular, including among Democrats

in fact she's so deeply unpopular there's talk about removing her from the ticket as VP

[Lynarii]

Posting a bunch of projections without explaining why you think some of the swing states will swing that way in each is kinda... not too useful. What makes Georgia more likely to go for Trump than Harris, but favor Harris over DeSantis for example? Results without reasoning is just arbitrary clutter.

[Draco-Onis]

We're also in war time. Yes, it's a proxy war, but Russia keeps saber rattling at the west for their involvement in Ukraine. Biden has been at the head of all this, and a change in leadership at the top for someone who's been dealing with the issue is not exactly the best thing to do, unless the public woefully disagrees with how the leader is handling it. But overall, if you ignore the Trumpians who blame everything on Biden, including stubbing their own toes, the majority of people generally approve of how the US is handling Ukraine. Namely, just giving tons of money and weapons.

Americans don't care about foreign policy also there's never been a time when the US wasn't at war in some way shape or form. The stance on Ukraine is pretty much bipartisan and out of the president's hands even Trump in all his Trumpiness could only slow things down.

[Evil Midnight Bomber]

I have serious doubts. For one, everyone knows incumbents just have an easy time winning reelection (which is why it was so laughable that Trump lost). Everyone goes with a comfortable favorite over and "unknown" so even if he wanted to retire, there would be pressure from Democrats for him to stay another 4 years. If he dies, Harris is in charge. No super big change of leadership.

We're also in war time. Yes, it's a proxy war, but Russia keeps saber rattling at the west for their involvement in Ukraine. Biden has been at the head of all this, and a change in leadership at the top for someone who's been dealing with the issue is not exactly the best thing to do, unless the public woefully disagrees with how the leader is handling it. But overall, if you ignore the Trumpians who blame everything on Biden, including stubbing their own toes, the majority of people generally approve of how the US is handling Ukraine. Namely, just giving tons of money and weapons.

He's also the oldest President ever and he might not feel up to Campaigning in 2024. And he'd have to campaign hard.

[postman1782]

the racist, wicked witch is deeply unpopular, including among Democrats

in fact she's so deeply unpopular there's talk about removing her from the ticket as VP

How is she racist?

[s_bushido]

How is she racist?

Going to guess that she said or did something "controversial" that the shitheels who pass for conservative pundits spun as racist in some pathetic attempt at a gotcha. Because...you know..."the Democrats are the real racists!!!" after all.

[Spectral]

Every time we've seen increased public exposure to Harris, public opinion of her drops. The only way she winds up as the nominee is if she is effectively unchallenged in a primary. I suppose that's possible, as the DNC does take something of a "your turn" approach to Presidential nominees. Nonetheless, those maps are far too friendly to someone that's about as compelling a speaker as a ham sandwich.

[The Stormbringer]

How is she racist?

Going to guess that she said or did something "controversial" that the shitheels who pass for conservative pundits spun as racist in some pathetic attempt at a gotcha. Because...you know..."the Democrats are the real racists!!!" after all.

Wasn't it because she was pushing a lot of laws and stuff that primarily affected Black people back in California?

[Milchshake]

Looks like the thread and similar posts were spurned on by the latest episode of Bill Maher's show. Which is usually blaming Dems for spending "too much time on civil rights IdPol!"
Maher had on some of his regulars, Caitlan Flanagan and Van Jones.... shame that Bari Weiss couldnt make it. /s



A celebrity case of the Obama>Sanders>Trump voter?

• Basically, by supporting Obama that one time... Gives them carte-blanche to air out they bigotries/misogamy in perpetuity.
• "demS haVE BetRayED mE ... because they're not focusing on my personal grievances!"

How do you argue with poasters that use Bill Maher as a regular source of their information?

[molliewoof]

Wasn't it because she was pushing a lot of laws and stuff that primarily affected Black people back in California?

If I remember correctly tulsi destroyed her in a debate about it, not sure which one it was, when tulsi was running to be biden though

[Endus]

Looks like the thread and similar posts were spurned on by the latest episode of Bill Maher's show. Which is usually blaming Dems for spending "too much time on civil rights IdPol!"
Maher had on some of his regulars, Caitlan Flanagan and Van Jones.... shame that Bari Weiss couldnt make it. /s

A celebrity case of the Obama>Sanders>Trump voter?

• Basically, by supporting Obama that one time... Gives them carte-blanche to air out they bigotries/misogamy in perpetuity.
• "demS haVE BetRayED mE ... because they're not focusing on my personal grievances!"

How do you argue with poasters that use Bill Maher as a regular source of their information?

Apparently necessary reminder that Bill Maher's politics are comfortably Republican in basically every respect but weed legalization and being an atheist. He's a conservative whos views are primarily motivated through petty bigotries. He's regularly racist, homophobic, transphobic, and has opposed religious freedoms for most of his career. He's also generally uninformed as fuck and too arrogant to realize how ignorant he is, or willing to educate himself further on basically any topic he might be misinformed on. As a source of information, he's on the same frickin' tier as Joe Rogan.

Which is unfair to Rogan, who freely admits he doesn't know shit about anything.

[Edge-]

Wasn't it because she was pushing a lot of laws and stuff that primarily affected Black people back in California?

She was AG, not a legislator.

The criticisms were over her prosecution of marijuana crimes while it was illegal, followed by her more recently laughing about whether she's smoked weed or not. As if the public opinion, and hers, has been unchanged for decades. Fair point her history isn't great on the topic, but as with a lot of politicians they've "evolved" over time and that's a good thing.

And IIRC there was a death row case mishandled by her office.

I remember this interview from back during the campaign - https://www.democracynow.org/2019/8/1/seg_2

Which, while brief, IMO is a better take on her tenure as AG. Very much a mixed bag with some bad moves like her prosecution of weed crimes and her failure to prosecute Mnuchin that very obviously had negative downstream impacts, but also some good reforms and moves like dismissing charges against union protesters and building a civil rights division.

[s_bushido]

Wasn't it because she was pushing a lot of laws and stuff that primarily affected Black people back in California?

That's possible. The criticism is completely hollow when it comes from people who happily support laws like that anyway.

[postman1782]

If I remember correctly tulsi destroyed her in a debate about it, not sure which one it was, when tulsi was running to be biden though

No, Tulsi is a fucking moron, she didn't destroy anyone.