Rated Solo Shuffle dead on arrival at this rate

[melzas]

The biggest problems with solo shuffle right now are:
1. Leavers (confirmed by blue to be addressed soon).
2. Rating from solo shuffle doesn't allow for gear upgrades (making this mode doa for alts, which is a shame, no word from blizz on this).
3. Tank games are unfun (they either need to put some effort into balancing tanks for PvP or just ban them from this mode).
4. Rating inflation is crazy, it takes one day to hit 2100 rating and it's just waaay to easy compared to normal arena.

[HansOlo]

No, i explicitly stated on various occasions that that is not the case unless you literally are The Average or mr. Average as i called him in another post.
But as it takes different information than just "game mode" and "number of participants" to determine your chances the only chance that can be given is that of mr. Average, and that chance is indeed 50/50.

I... can understand that it's frustrating. Honestly i truly respect your trying, and i too am trying to help.
Due to health issues i have experience both being limited and being less so, so i know that frustration.
At present i cannot do better in terms of explanation, as my headache is rising (not related to this interaction, related to my health's random fluctuations).
If i remember i will return to try to do better, as mathematics is beyond no one on the condition of proper explanation being given. Honestly most skills and knowledge are like that.

Anyway i really need to sleep now, don't hesitate to poke me regarding stuff like this, it's good to rehearse for me, relearn when appropriate and good to need to explain it as well.

Good night.

First line was plenty of explaination. I didn't understand that you made a disclaimer on me vs. the average. It puts everything in a better perspective and it even makes sense.

Thanks for the clarification and keeping it cool, appriacted

[lllll]

4. Rating inflation is crazy, it takes one day to hit 2100 rating and it's just waaay to easy compared to normal arena.

As a healer, it's a lot harder than normal arena. People are fucking bad at knowing where the healer is and what is happening. I can get stuck in a CC cycle and they think that's the time to run around the corner.

If someone played like that in 2v2 or 3v3 I wouldn't ever play with them again but these... things are rife in solo shuffle.

[klaps_05]

solo shuffle should simply give what 2s win gives per round played.

[Donald Hellscream]

So far my games have been either 1. getting totally rolled because random draw put very low hp people in my team, 2. rolling the other team because they by chance got the low hp targets 3. someone saying they will report me for playing a tank.

So far I am 14% out of 100 for the season 4 mount, so it should be achieveable before it is gone.

[melzas]

As a healer, it's a lot harder than normal arena. People are fucking bad at knowing where the healer is and what is happening. I can get stuck in a CC cycle and they think that's the time to run around the corner.

If someone played like that in 2v2 or 3v3 I wouldn't ever play with them again but these... things are rife in solo shuffle.

Sorry bro but this is not true. As a healer you play same amount of times versus every DPS, if someone is bad and ignores his healer he will do the same when he is against you so you should beat him. Shuffle games as a healer goes down to "who is the better healer".

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So far my games have been either 1. getting totally rolled because random draw put very low hp people in my team, 2. rolling the other team because they by chance got the low hp targets 3. someone saying they will report me for playing a tank.

So far I am 14% out of 100 for the season 4 mount, so it should be achieveable before it is gone.

Same here. If you are a tank "very low hp target" will be on your team same number of times as he is on the other... This is a ridiculous complaint.

[Donald Hellscream]

Sorry bro but this is not true. As a healer you play same amount of times versus every DPS, if someone is bad and ignores his healer he will do the same when he is against you so you should beat him. Shuffle games as a healer goes down to "who is the better healer".

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Same here. If you are a tank "very low hp target" will be on your team same number of times as he is on the other... This is a ridiculous complaint.

I am not complaining though, maybe I didn't frame it correctly but it was merely an observation based on my experience so far, I know it is ridiculous to expect that you will never have people on your team with low ilvl and by extension low hp, especially since the requirement for being able to queue isn't that high, if there even is any.
Its the nature of random matchmaking as opposed to premade 2v2,3v3 or RBGS where you can set the bar of entry.

[lllll]

Sorry bro but this is not true.

It is absolutely true.

Playing solo shuffle as a healer is like rolling a dice whether you will win or not. Nothing to do with who is the better healer.

[melzas]

I am not complaining though, maybe I didn't frame it correctly but it was merely an observation based on my experience so far, I know it is ridiculous to expect that you will never have people on your team with low ilvl and by extension low hp, especially since the requirement for being able to queue isn't that high, if there even is any.
Its the nature of random matchmaking as opposed to premade 2v2,3v3 or RBGS where you can set the bar of entry.

My point is that in solo shuffle, if someone is very undergeared or bad he will be on your team 3 times and then 3 times on the other tanks team. It really doesn't matter that much, because he will suck and cause 3 loses for you and then he will be on enemy team and give you easy 3 wins. And in solo shuffle 3 wins is usually considered a win.

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It is absolutely true.

Playing solo shuffle as a healer is like rolling a dice whether you will win or not. Nothing to do with who is the better healer.

Umm what? I think you are trying to blame others when it's a "you" problem.

In solo shuffle you play same amount of time with every DPS and against every DPS. If someone is bad and causes you to lose, then you should beat him when he is against you. If second player can keep him alive even though he is bad and you can't, then he is a better healer.

Sorry but looks like solo shuffle just exposed that you aren't as good of a healer as you thought you are.

[lllll]

Umm what? I think you are trying to blame others when it's a "you" problem.

How is it a me problem when people are running out of sight and pretty much instadying? If people played that bad in 2v2 or 3v3 I wouldn't ever play with them again.

Are you the kind of DPS that stand in swirlies and then whine at the healer in pve?

If someone is bad and causes you to lose, then you should beat him when he is against you. If second player can keep him alive even though he is bad and you can't, then he is a better healer.

That's not how it works.

I don't think you're even playing solo shuffle.

It's a complete roll of the dice whether you win or not as the healer as your influence on the outcome is basically null. It's all down whether to if the dps will stay in your line of sight or not or if they'll run around the corner and die.

Like, someone rounds the corner and then gets hit by this:



I could see that coming miles away but he decided to line of sight me so I couldn't heal after the first hit or use CDs on him, so he died.

Then it happened next round with another dps.

Then next round again with another dps.

Then again.

And again.

Almost all of the games I've played so far are decided by the DPS deciding to line of sight the healer, either me or the other healer.

[Celement]

I mean it's off season. There isn't any reward beyond gear for alts and saddles for people to earn.

The mode seems functional though tanks seem to be the odd man out of it. It's hard to say what ranks will be like but my gut instinct is that it's going to be inflated. Once you take out the coordination of a premade you get raiders cutting down people left or right.

Overall it seems like a workable mode. I would have issues with it being a path to glad rewards and even the weapon illusions seem a bit to much given its random nature but its... alright.

Not bad, not amazing but alright.

[melzas]

How is it a me problem when people are running out of sight and pretty much instadying? If people played that bad in 2v2 or 3v3 I wouldn't ever play with them again.

Are you the kind of DPS that stand in swirlies and then whine at the healer in pve?



That's not how it works.

I don't think you're even playing solo shuffle.

It's a complete roll of the dice whether you win or not as the healer as your influence on the outcome is basically null. It's all down whether to if the dps will stay in your line of sight or not or if they'll run around the corner and die.

Like, someone rounds the corner and then gets hit by this:



I could see that coming miles away but he decided to line of sight me so I couldn't heal after the first hit or use CDs on him, so he died.

Then it happened next round with another dps.

Then next round again with another dps.

Then again.

And again.

Almost all of the games I've played so far are decided by the DPS deciding to line of sight the healer, either me or the other healer.

Yeah you are so wrong. I see a lot of healers full of themselves like you who complain about DPS and then next turn when he is against that dps,that "bad" DPS kills him. I literally had a game like this 5 minutes ago. it's totally a "you" problem.

[lllll]

Yeah you are so wrong. I see a lot of healers full of themselves like you who complain about DPS and then next turn when he is against that dps,that "bad" DPS kills him. I literally had a game like this 5 minutes ago. it's totally a "you" problem.

I've never died in solo shuffle though but ok.

People are bad and are line of sighting their healers, causing their own deaths. It's completely out of your control when they decide to line of sight you. Most of the dps that are 2k+ in solo shuffle would never get there in actual 2v2 or 3v3 because they're playing so bad. Solo shuffle as a healer is basically overwatch when solo queuing as a support, you have very little effect on the outcome and it's mostly dependent on whether your teammates know what to do or not. Just like in PVE: You can't heal stupid.

I still don't believe you actually play solo shuffle based on what you say.

[Celement]

I've never died in solo shuffle though but ok.

People are bad and are line of sighting their healers, causing their own deaths. It's completely out of your control when they decide to line of sight you. Most of the dps that are 2k+ in solo shuffle would never get there in actual 2v2 or 3v3 because they're playing so bad. Solo shuffle as a healer is basically overwatch when solo queuing as a support, you have very little effect on the outcome and it's mostly dependent on whether your teammates know what to do or not. Just like in PVE: You can't heal stupid.

I still don't believe you actually play solo shuffle based on what you say.

The mod isn't designed for you to sweep... there will also be fewer pvpers in this mode then you will likely see till next expansions prepatch.

I admit I see it being easy to hit high rating just off of good gear and the sheer basics of pvp but that is also why glad is getting it's own elite recolor.

[sanchoz]

the only people who think the rewards and current solo shuffle is fine are selfish 2s or 3s players who don't want solo players to get rewarded

[Celement]

the only people who think the rewards and current solo shuffle is fine are selfish 2s or 3s players who don't want solo players to get rewarded

I can't see that being the case. It isnt at the same level as other rated pvp from the lack of communication. Cc,burst and a lot of coordination goes out the window. It rather rewards exploiting opportunities more then creating them.

It has it's own elite gear access to illusions and titles. It makes sense to me a glad is something different as it involves different skills to get.

[Lochton]

Win 6/6 rounds and receive about 15 to 20 conquest points combined with people constantly leaving all the time will be a disaster if these two things aren't mended in some form. And I get it, Blizzard is between a rock and hard place as they cannot give too harsh of punishments as it also affects people who DC or have to leave due to more important matters. However, the 15 points reward needs to be amended... In case some of you need reminding, part of the reason for the rated solo shuffle was to benefit those of us who don't have a huge amount to play WoW hours upon hours daily...

Isn't that just under the 2s? Seems fair enough. As for the leavers, can't do anything with that, there is a punishment system and some will still leave. Solo Shuffle wasn't amount the time you could play it but about the options you could.

[Ateo]

10+ min queue times. Instant trolls dropping to throw games. Very low reward.


Whoever thought this play style of multiple rounds with randoms would work needs to be fired. This is such an idiotic response from the devs to the fans who really just want solo queue 2v2.


Idk why blizzard can't just give us what we want, instead they have to continue to make some convoluted bullshit system instead of just doing what the players are requesting.

Solo queue arrived DOA for sure and I can't fathom this getting better unless they incentivise this heavily.

[melzas]

10+ min queue times. Instant trolls dropping to throw games. Very low reward.


Whoever thought this play style of multiple rounds with randoms would work needs to be fired. This is such an idiotic response from the devs to the fans who really just want solo queue 2v2.


Idk why blizzard can't just give us what we want, instead they have to continue to make some convoluted bullshit system instead of just doing what the players are requesting.

Solo queue arrived DOA for sure and I can't fathom this getting better unless they incentivise this heavily.

Solo shuffle format is much better than "solo 2v2 queue" could potentially ever be.

"Instant trolls dropping to throw games" has nothing to do with the solo shuffle format, it's happening because blizzard has put zero punishment for leaving rated solo shuffle, it would happen in solo 2v2 queue too. And it's getting fixed next reset anyway.

Solo shuffle is alread shaping out to be great. They need to fix few things but it's going to be a fantastic mode.

[Ealyssa]

People are bad and are line of sighting their healers, causing their own deaths.

And that's not a real problem, sure you'll loose your round with them. But you'll easily win all the rounds against them since they're that bad.

Right ? Right ???