"new talents" are just conduits and former baseline abilities.

[RobertMugabe]

Okay so I cannot be the first to realize this right?
there is absolutely nothing new about these talents, theyre all just conduits or abilities that use to be baseline that require talent points now.

Not only did Blizzard themselves say it was going to be like that before the new system came out, but it's also what everyone said as soon as we saw the first preview of these talents many months ago so yeah...

And I mean that's a good thing. There's no reason to throw everything out and make every spec/class from scratch.
Keep/bring back what has worked in the past and add some new stuff too.

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Cute, that must be real fun.

Off-Topic af, but ngl: Even though I don't like hirumaredx' content at all, it surely must be a dream job to work on making videos for your favourite game. Earning money and having fun is a good combo ofc.

[Segus1992]

Controllers does not = clear goal of going to consoles. They aren't going to port an almost 20 year old game to consoles. You are better off using that money to create WoW2 and make it for consoles as you are starting from scratch.

Who says they're starting from scratch? Are you a WoW programmer?

[Oblider]

Yeah.

...and?

[rrayy]

Who says they're starting from scratch? Are you a WoW programmer?

They would be if they are creating a WoW2. That is what they should do instead of wasting money trying to port a 20 year old game with very old code that an easily be borked trying to do so. But they won't do either because nobody would play the new game as they would have to give up their old toons.

[Segus1992]

They would be if they are creating a WoW2. That is what they should do instead of wasting money trying to port a 20 year old game with very old code that an easily be borked trying to do so. But they won't do either because nobody would play the new game as they would have to give up their old toons.

How do you know any of this? I mean obviously you don't, but why do you think you do? Kind of a ridiculous post.

[Imnotadentist]

Not only did Blizzard themselves say it was going to be like that before the new system came out, but it's also what everyone said as soon as we saw the first preview of these talents many months ago so yeah...

And I mean that's a good thing. There's no reason to throw everything out and make every spec/class from scratch.
Keep/bring back what has worked in the past and add some new stuff too.

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Off-Topic af, but ngl: Even though I don't like hirumaredx' content at all, it surely must be a dream job to work on making videos for your favourite game. Earning money and having fun is a good combo ofc.

He doesn't make the videos, He just tells other people to make videos for Hirumaredx. Which honestly sounds even better to me! Like dude must be chillen and gettin paid for it.

[Ringthane]

They would be if they are creating a WoW2. That is what they should do instead of wasting money trying to port a 20 year old game with very old code that an easily be borked trying to do so. But they won't do either because nobody would play the new game as they would have to give up their old toons.

Why would they spend all the time and resources to build a completely new game when people are still paying for, playing, and enjoying the existing game? Just because you say they should? All that would do is divide their playerbase. Is that really what you want?

[rrayy]

Why would they spend all the time and resources to build a completely new game when people are still paying for, playing, and enjoying the existing game? Just because you say they should? All that would do is divide their playerbase. Is that really what you want?

You missed my point entirely. My point is it will take a lot of resources to port WoW to console. If you are going to spend all that, it would be far easier just to make a WoW2. That is why they won't port to console. Not worth it to divide a small player base. They will not do either.

[Kithelle]

Okay so I cannot be the first to realize this right?
there is absolutely nothing new about these talents, theyre all just conduits or abilities that use to be baseline that require talent points now.

I take it you're new to wow? Talents were talents before conduits and such existed

If you were expecting some new revolutionary talent system you were only setting yourself up for disappointment

[ablib]

Okay so I cannot be the first to realize this right?
there is absolutely nothing new about these talents, theyre all just conduits or abilities that use to be baseline that require talent points now.

It's a new talent system. Not "new talents".

As a mage, it's neat to see some old classics come back and cool abilities we had in Torghast.

[Wyrt]

The whole point was to move away from the borrowed power systems and into a more permanent system. So yeah, it's going to have a bunch of old stuff from past borrowed power system. Like that's the whole point of it.

[Glorious Leader]

Yes. Its the laziest and least they could do. Repackage old wine in a new bottle. Budgets must be getting thin

[FelPlague]

Off-Topic af, but ngl: Even though I don't like hirumaredx' content at all, it surely must be a dream job to work on making videos for your favourite game. Earning money and having fun is a good combo ofc.

Working for your friend is fun, but it is also stressful as fuck , cause if you mess up it is not only a "I messed up boss" it is "I messed up bud" and for example taking vacation days, good who cares if it makes you boss do more work, it is their job. But when you make your friend do more work? yeah no, makes it so hard to want to take time off, especially as a perfectionist and someone who hates errors and incorrect information, which commonly leads to me being super thorough with scripts to make sure the script writers didn't get anything wrong, which sadly they do often.
Although making your hobby your living while sounding fun, kinda kills fun, cause instead of doing your hobby you are now working, and instead of having fun you are doing your job. Cause I gotta record footage of EVERYTHING, quests, riding mounts, doing this ability, that ability, etc.

I can't just "raid" I have to record my raid, which means zooming in, turning off a lot of UI stuff, and making sure not to move my camera a ton. affects my fun, affects my performance in raid, which is why I do M+ cause i can easily get footage of it all then just have fun.

But it is a dream job, in the sense I have been playing wow so long, so I know a lot about it just by experience, so I can notice when something a script writer writes is either likely untrue, or obviously untrue.

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Yes. Its the laziest and least they could do. Repackage old wine in a new bottle. Budgets must be getting thin

idk mate, current talents are nothing like the old talent trees.

it is more like they sold wine
then started selling beer
and yeah now they are back to selling wine
but it is white wine instead of red, grown in an entire new area, brewed in entirely new casks, and made with the idea of being a cooking wine instead of a drinking wine.

it is still wine, but it is not at all the same wine it was way back when.

[Drudi]

«a 17+ year old game can't continually add new things»

Then make it free, remove paid subscription and admit this fact publicly.

Why Witcher 3 devs - who definitely do not get millions of free monthly revenue from subscription - release a complete game overhaul 8 years after release? Why they can afford this and blizzard can’t?

[FelPlague]

«a 17+ year old game can't continually add new things»

Then make it free, remove paid subscription and admit this fact publicly.

Why Witcher 3 devs - who definitely do not get millions of free monthly revenue from subscription - release a complete game overhaul 8 years after release? Why they can afford this and blizzard can’t?

No where did they say they cant add new things.. they are literally adding a ton of new stuff TOMORROW.
??? Oh man a game updating its graphics 8 years later, so amazing I wish wow did that!
Go free to play and add zero new content for 8 years then update the graphics?
you know games like heros of the storm (not anymore...), starcraft, diablo, hearthstone, all free with free updates regularly right?

The whole point of wow's sub is the consistency and the ability of being able to play an mmo without a MASSIVE story, like swtor, eso, or gw2 have.


Bro, what are you on about.

[Glorious Leader]

Working for your friend is fun, but it is also stressful as fuck , cause if you mess up it is not only a "I messed up boss" it is "I messed up bud" and for example taking vacation days, good who cares if it makes you boss do more work, it is their job. But when you make your friend do more work? yeah no, makes it so hard to want to take time off, especially as a perfectionist and someone who hates errors and incorrect information, which commonly leads to me being super thorough with scripts to make sure the script writers didn't get anything wrong, which sadly they do often.
Although making your hobby your living while sounding fun, kinda kills fun, cause instead of doing your hobby you are now working, and instead of having fun you are doing your job. Cause I gotta record footage of EVERYTHING, quests, riding mounts, doing this ability, that ability, etc.

I can't just "raid" I have to record my raid, which means zooming in, turning off a lot of UI stuff, and making sure not to move my camera a ton. affects my fun, affects my performance in raid, which is why I do M+ cause i can easily get footage of it all then just have fun.

But it is a dream job, in the sense I have been playing wow so long, so I know a lot about it just by experience, so I can notice when something a script writer writes is either likely untrue, or obviously untrue.

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idk mate, current talents are nothing like the old talent trees.

it is more like they sold wine
then started selling beer
and yeah now they are back to selling wine
but it is white wine instead of red, grown in an entire new area, brewed in entirely new casks, and made with the idea of being a cooking wine instead of a drinking wine.

it is still wine, but it is not at all the same wine it was way back when.

They are exactly like every other talent you had before even if they were just previously called something else I.e artifact ability, conduit, etc etc its the same crap just repackaged they added nothing new. Its cheap and its lazy but they have the balls to promote it as a new feature.

[FelPlague]

They are exactly like every other talent you had before even if they were just previously called something else I.e artifact ability, conduit, etc etc its the same crap just repackaged they added nothing new. Its cheap and its lazy but they have the balls to promote it as a new feature.

Tell me how I could get guillotine or imp gang boss or a pitlord before, what conduit artifact a little etc were those? Hm??

[baskev]

Okay so I cannot be the first to realize this right?
there is absolutely nothing new about these talents, theyre all just conduits or abilities that use to be baseline that require talent points now.

And conduits and abilities where sometimes baseline abilties from the past.
But agree a little bit. Somethings i found weird that they are no longer baseline. I have done most of my classes up to 60 and did their talents. And sometimes i am like....wtf. For instance druids. we used to have several ( like to much) ways to interupt casting. Now all of them are talents.

But on the otherhand. It does help you build your hero. Do not want, need or feel a spell. Build everything around something else.

And i do think the baseline are not new. But the choices you have for a lot of talents are new. Conduits where most of the time just increase firepower by x, reduce cd by that or rarely that it triggers some effects.

talents are that, plus also more. instead of taking 1 of the a few random conduits that might give you something extra. You can now chose what to buff. and how to buff it.
Do i want my avengers shield to hit harder, block more, parry more etc etc. that is something baseline and conduits did not give.

It expands the choice and the builds you have. Conduits , last talent system where to cooky cutter. some of my classes you saw no one pick certain talents or conduits because they where pointless.

But again...i do agree that somethings are to much baseline.

[heerobya]

I love the new talent system.

It's like they created a system where all the old FotM builds I remember from yester-year are back!

As a Paladin main, it's awesome that for example... as a healer, I can live the "pocket healer" old FoTM version of paly and stand in the back, spam Holy Light, etc. big heals more single target...

Or I can go 100% melee healer and play like a melee DPS and (especially in raids) keep tons of healing going.

I probably spend more time tweaking talents then anything.

I also love making builds with as many passives as possible, as few button presses as possible. Great for those late night LFR runs where I can maximize output for minimal effort lol.

[Aleksej89]

I used the 2 free playtime days blizz gave last weekend to check out these talents.
Some classes got shafted (especially druid) while others got better.

However overall there is no innovation, no new things to try, "cookie cutter" builds are gonna be mathed out.
If you played Shadowlands then most classes will play the same in DFlight, which is a huge disappointment for players who dislike SL shallow classes.