Dragonflight 10.X Patches & 11.0 Speculation Thread

[Nymrohd]

Also, question: At what point do we migrate to a full 11.0 speculation patch? It's always a fun race to see how long we can go till the announcement.
On that note, when will we get it? 10.2 is suppossed to arrive sometimes during or after next Fall.

10.2 PTR may have some hint on 11.0. The reveal is almost certainly going to be out at Blizzcon. I think it's entirely possible to have 10.2 out in late October with the race finishing right before Blizzcon and the major 10.2 cinematics out so Blizzcon would reveal 10.3 and 11.0 So I'd say we are likely to transition to full speculation by late August as long as at least some type of hint is out there from the 10.2 PTR.

[Wangming]

12 month of last patch? Where it was stated DF is two -patch expansion? The roadmap is for 2023 only I'm pretty sure they will announce more at the end of the year.

I guess we will learn in December. For the record a 12 months last patch wouldn't be extremely long, but it depends on what features 10.2 arrives with, because there needs to be some meaty shit to keep people occupied for a long time.
A fun thing to consider is that the two longest expansions were Wrath and MoP. Wrath preluded the revamp expansion and MoP preluded WoD which was light on features, but had a shitton of system updates. Considering we now have a level squish, level scaling, a UI revamp, a profession revamp and a Talent System revamp and will soon have a gearing revamp, a big systems expansion is pretty much out of the question.
So if DF ends up lasting over the two year long, a world revamp expansion becomes all that more likely.

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10.2 PTR may have some hint on 11.0. The reveal is almost certainly going to be out at Blizzcon. I think it's entirely possible to have 10.2 out in late October with the race finishing right before Blizzcon and the major 10.2 cinematics out so Blizzcon would reveal 10.3 and 11.0 So I'd say we are likely to transition to full speculation by late August as long as at least some type of hint is out there from the 10.2 PTR.

Yeah that is usually when we go wild cause we will have something more tangible to focus our speculation.

[Fahrad Wagner]

She's good as a fun side character, but does not work as a main character.

Also, question: At what point do we migrate to a full 11.0 speculation patch? It's always a fun race to see how long we can go till the announcement.
On that note, when will we get it? 10.2 is suppossed to arrive sometimes during or after next Fall. I would guess after because 24 months for the expansion would clock in at the November of 2024. And I don't really believe they want to do a 12 months last raid patch. I mean we had worse, but that can't be the aim. Dragonflight had the quickest release with 7 months since announcement, That would give us a May announcement next year if they want Dragonflight to last two years.
Give or take one or two months, but it sounds to me we will get a reveal a year from now.

We'll migrate towards a full 11.0 speculation patch once the last patch of DF is announced, and is announced as such (as in we know it's the last major .X patch)

I can definitely see a 10.3 on the horizon, they would have to wrap a loooooot of things for the story to end with 10.2 and I don't think they will go towards that direction.

My guess so far is 10.2 Emerald Dream Raid / 10.3 Infinite Dragonflight Raid (possibly including the narrative of an Galakronised Iridikrond)

I guess we will learn in December. For the record a 12 months last patch wouldn't be extremely long, but it depends on what features 10.2 arrives with, because there needs to be some meaty shit to keep people occupied for a long time.
A fun thing to consider is that the two longest expansions were Wrath and MoP. Wrath preluded the revamp expansion and MoP preluded WoD which was light on features, but had a shitton of system updates. Considering we now have a level squish, level scaling, a UI revamp, a profession revamp and a Talent System revamp and will soon have a gearing revamp, a big systems expansion is pretty much out of the question.
So if DF ends up lasting over the two year long, a world revamp expansion becomes all that more likely.


Yeah that is usually when we go wild cause we will have something more tangible to focus our speculation.

Crunch crunch crunch

[Wangming]

We'll migrate towards a full 11.0 speculation patch once the last patch of DF is announced, and is announced as such (as in we know it's the last major .X patch)

I can definitely see a 10.3 on the horizon, they would have to wrap a loooooot of things for the story to end with 10.2 and I don't think they will go towards that direction.

The way I see it a 10.3 would be a soft confirmation of a massive 11.0 especially if it comes a substantial time (3-4 months at least) after 10.2

[Nymrohd]

The way I see it a 10.3 would be a soft confirmation of a massive 11.0 especially if it comes a substantial time (3-4 months at least) after 10.2

I think 11.0 should come at Nov 23 2024 (yes, I know it's a Saturday) to coincide with the 20 year anniversary or alternatively, pre-expansion events can start at that date together with a massive anniversary event. Not using the anniversary to market the expansion would make no sense.

[Wangming]

I think 11.0 should come at Nov 23 2024 (yes, I know it's a Saturday) to coincide with the 20-year anniversary or alternatively, pre-expansion events can start at that date together with a massive anniversary event. Not using the anniversary to market the expansion would make no sense.

That is actually very clever. An anniversary celebration as WoW leaves behind the first ten expansions. I like that.

[Nymrohd]

That is actually very clever. An anniversary celebration as WoW leaves behind the first ten expansions. I like that.

They will have Microsoft budget and access to do marketing for the 20th anniversary. If they don't go full out with commercials, I don't know what they are doing.

[Wangming]

They will have Microsoft budget and access to do marketing for the 20th anniversary. If they don't go full out with commercials, I don't know what they are doing.

Seems like a reasonable conclusion? Any idea about the main theme of 11.0? I think we can rule out Emerald Dream safely at this point. Avaloren is certainly possible if we don't get a revamp. But I do think we really need a revamp.

[Cheezits]

Seems like a reasonable conclusion? Any idea about the main theme of 11.0? I think we can rule out Emerald Dream safely at this point. Avaloren is certainly possible if we don't get a revamp. But I do think we really need a revamp.

I think its split between a revamp or Avaloren. Whatever continent(s) it is, an overall Light vs Void theme seems like it's going to happen.

However I think a revamp could definitely still have new areas: we have Khaz Algar somewhere, as well as Undermine for starters.

Points towards Avaloren:
-Newly introduced in DF
-Pirate lore book implies traveling there

Points towards revamp:
-Timeskip (why else would aging characters up matter? it doesn't matter in DF so far)
-lots of old world asset updates currently not relevant to DF

[Fahrad Wagner]

Seems like a reasonable conclusion? Any idea about the main theme of 11.0? I think we can rule out Emerald Dream safely at this point. Avaloren is certainly possible if we don't get a revamp. But I do think we really need a revamp.

For me it's either gonna be one of these:
1. Avaloren / Other Side of Azeroth
2. Full Old World revamp (Kalimdor + Eastern Kingdoms)
3. Partial Old World Revamp (Northern Eastern Kingdoms + missing zones through patches)
4. South Seas (for real this time!)
5. K'aresh

[Aeluron Lightsong]

My underground expansion or we throw tomatoes at Blizz HQ.

[Wangming]

For me it's either gonna be one of these:
1. Avaloren / Other Side of Azeroth
2. Full Old World revamp (Kalimdor + Eastern Kingdoms)
3. Partial Old World Revamp (Northern Eastern Kingdoms + missing zones through patches)
4. South Seas (for real this time!)
5. K'aresh

Avaloren has a nice setup already and could be used together with a south seas expansion. K'aresh is very unlikely because we just got a grounded finally. If partial Revamp I nominate Quel Thalas, Lordaeron, Gilneas.

[Dracullus]

My underground expansion or we throw tomatoes at Blizz HQ.

Dude, some people can't even stomach one patch zone and you want full continent.

As for 10.3, I think it depends when 11.0 will launch. If summer, some 10.2.5 and bonus season will be enough. If November, it would be pretty pointless to release 6 patches in 2023 and leave only 1-2 small ones for 2024.

And there is issue with Blizzcon and 11.0 reveal likely even before 10.2 raid.

[Fahrad Wagner]

Dude, some people can't even stomach one patch zone and you want full continent.

Yeah an underground expansion following an underground major patch is unlikely haha

[Cheezits]

After reading the reddit posts about it, I am starting to actually believe the 3rd Evoker spec is happening and simply wasn't ready by launch/delayed with a cool story tie-in. The quest text is one thing, but actual new spells... and a secret animation that seems to have been pulled from someone's artstation (maybe by accident? the background of the gif looks like how art designers post effects on artstation)

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comment...ning_findings/

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Dude, some people can't even stomach one patch zone and you want full continent.

As for 10.3, I think it depends when 11.0 will launch. If summer, some 10.2.5 and bonus season will be enough. If November, it would be pretty pointless to release 6 patches in 2023 and leave only 1-2 small ones for 2024.

And there is issue with Blizzcon and 11.0 reveal likely even before 10.2 raid.

I was saying it before that patch even existed. Late 2024 or 2025 for 11.0.

[Sondrelk]

For me it's either gonna be one of these:
1. Avaloren / Other Side of Azeroth
2. Full Old World revamp (Kalimdor + Eastern Kingdoms)
3. Partial Old World Revamp (Northern Eastern Kingdoms + missing zones through patches)
4. South Seas (for real this time!)
5. K'aresh

As much as I want it, I really have to question a possible South Seas expansion. All the good areas like Kul Tiras and Zandalar are already taken. We don't really have much left unless we either go underwater, or create new larger islands.
At a stretch I suppose you could reuse the Island Expedition maps, and have seamless exporation between them, but even with that it's a stretch.

K'aresh I still don't get. It's briefly mentioned in one quest line, and even then as a ruined wasteland, if even that, which has seemingly been abandoned. It sounds like a patch area at most to me.

I suppose Avaloren could work, presuming it's on the other side of Azeroth. Feels a bit like it's been pulled out of thin air, but at least the backside of Azeroth has been speculated about for a long time.

For me though I would argue the most likely is a revamp in any form. Whether that is a full old world revamp, one continent, or half of one. Northern EK is probably the best bet in that case.

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Yeah an underground expansion following an underground major patch is unlikely haha

I suppose you could be generous here and argue that the underground zone is a testbed to see how feasible furhter underground zones are. I doubt we would get something fully underground, but two or three zones underground and the rest above seems like it could work. Though it would definitely have to be more visually impressive than Zaralek caverns is, that's for sure.

[Hellspawn]

For me it's either gonna be one of these:
1. Avaloren / Other Side of Azeroth
2. Full Old World revamp (Kalimdor + Eastern Kingdoms)
3. Partial Old World Revamp (Northern Eastern Kingdoms + missing zones through patches)
4. South Seas (for real this time!)
5. K'aresh

I could also see them doing a Kalimdor only Revamp for the Expansion with something nature related as the main expansion plot. (Elune, Garden of Life, An'she, Botani, Saberon, New World Tree, hidden secrets in Eldre'thalas, Giant Sword...)

[Cheezits]

I could also see them doing a Kalimdor only Revamp for the Expansion with something nature related as the main expansion plot. (Elune, Garden of Life, An'she, Botani, Saberon, New World Tree, hidden secrets in Eldre'thalas, Giant Sword...)

I think that Life will definitely be the main theme of any kind of Kalimdor revamp with a splash of Void, similar to how the Light will clearly be the main force to deal with in Eastern Kingdoms (Scarlets, Sunwell, Yrel?) with a splash of Death. Those two (Light and Life) just have the most potential for antagonists and themes to be spread throughout the zones .

[Woobels]

Avaloren expansion actually seems really obvious when you think about it lol.