Dragonflight 10.X Patches & 11.0 Speculation Thread

[Gurkan]

I don't think Vyranoth is gonna get a "redemption" arc, or atleast not survive it. We've heard from the devs that we'll learn more about the terrible actions of the primalists in the coming patches, and we'll presumably kill Fyrakk. Having killed two of her siblings isn't gonna make her suddenly good, especially after being imprisoned for thousands of years.
Yes, she might not agree with Iridikiron later down the line, but due to the sunk cost fallacy she'll still be on the side of the primalists, perhaps her own faction similar to the sundered flame.
Another route I see is Iridikiron absoring Vyranoth's power for the final patch.

[Lahis]

I'm dying right now for a fresh Classic server so I can roll a new character and go in an adventure once again, with everyone in the same ground for decent groups and economy. The feeling of danger and mystery of the old world is nowhere near the current team's goals and/or skill.

We all know that will never happen. Classic has been solved. Any new server will face the same reality Classic and Season of Mastery faced: most efficient classes and builds will speedrun the game and oneshot everything including KT and if you are not doing the world buff meta, you are playing the game wrong.

[Arafal]

Damn, and here I was hoping “Shadowflame” was just regular fire empowered by void magic/energy to just be more… burny.

I mean, that's precisely what it is.

It's elemental fire magic but void corrupted.

[Le Conceptuel]

We all know that will never happen. Classic has been solved. Any new server will face the same reality Classic and Season of Mastery faced: most efficient classes and builds will speedrun the game and oneshot everything including KT and if you are not doing the world buff meta, you are playing the game wrong.

Honestly, I don't think that's what really killed Classic. What killed Classic was simply the lack of new content—had Blizzard put on their big boy pants and went with the less craven decision to just open a few servers where they could release new content even if it made people on the forums complain and if the extremely tiny cost of releasing piecemeal new content for a game with 2004 standards would make their ludicrous profit margins move ever so slightly more towards inefficiency because they could just release new store mounts and wait on the whales to spend enough to more than cover the gap with any lost subscription money, Classic would probably still have players.

[Dracullus]

Honestly, I don't think that's what really killed Classic. What killed Classic was simply the lack of new content—had Blizzard put on their big boy pants and went with the less craven decision to just open a few servers where they could release new content even if it made people on the forums complain and releasing new content for a game with 2004 standards would make their ludicrous profit margins move ever so slightly more towards inefficiency because they could just release new store mounts and wait on the whales to spend enough to more than cover the gap with any lost subscription money, Classic would probably still have players.

Right, cause everyone was playing Classic until last raid got old xD. Dude.

[Le Conceptuel]

Right, cause everyone was playing Classic until last raid got old xD. Dude.

I suppose it was disingenuous to say that's what killed Classic, but I definitely think a lack of new content was a problem. Another I'd add is Blizzard deciding that they don't need moderation or customer support, no matter how much it means the servers get turned into hives of gold-selling and botting.

[Sondrelk]

Honestly, I don't think that's what really killed Classic. What killed Classic was simply the lack of new content—had Blizzard put on their big boy pants and went with the less craven decision to just open a few servers where they could release new content even if it made people on the forums complain and if the extremely tiny cost of releasing piecemeal new content for a game with 2004 standards would make their ludicrous profit margins move ever so slightly more towards inefficiency because they could just release new store mounts and wait on the whales to spend enough to more than cover the gap with any lost subscription money, Classic would probably still have players.

The issue with content for Classic is that instanced content was really just an afterthought to what made it so special. It was innovative and groundbreaking at the time to have stuff to do even after you reached max level, but we have current expansions for that kind of polished endgame.
More content for Classic that would have actually been exciting would have required actual outdoor content, and new ways to explore Azeroth. Not just a new raid against the Scarlet Crusade at Hearthglen.
The best Classic could have hoped for was to add the extra content that Blizzard was planning to add. Like Hyjal and Gilneas. And even then it would be a lot of effort for very little gain.

[Dracullus]

Well, that and Blizzard deciding that they don't need moderation or customer support, no matter how much it means the servers get turned into hives of gold-selling and botting.

Sure, if you think so. I don't have good eyesight but I noticed difference between launch Classic interest and early Naxx Classic interest.

[Le Conceptuel]

The issue with content for Classic is that instanced content was really just an afterthought to what made it so special. It was innovative and groundbreaking at the time to have stuff to do even after you reached max level, but we have current expansions for that kind of polished endgame.
More content for Classic that would have actually been exciting would have required actual outdoor content, and new ways to explore Azeroth. Not just a new raid against the Scarlet Crusade at Hearthglen.
The best Classic could have hoped for was to add the extra content that Blizzard was planning to add. Like Hyjal and Gilneas. And even then it would be a lot of effort for very little gain.

That is true—there would have to be outdoor content now and then, though I do think some value could come from new raids or perhaps even battlegrounds. However, I really don't think the nature of the game would make it exceptionally expensive. This is a game from 2004 with proportional requisites for releasing satisfying content—I don't see it being too exceptionally expensive to produce a few patch zones every so often for Classic. Although it would perhaps be inefficient, at least in the short-run, I think it could keep Classic's playerbase relatively healthier than it is now. Of course, I suppose if I'm speaking more honestly, it was more due to lack of moderation and the like that Classic really fell into shambles, but I still think that Vanilla+ would have garnered some audience and maintained a fairly healthy playerbase.

From renovating unfinished zones alone, you could pretty quickly finish and populate Hyjal, Classic's unfinished Outland, and multiple regions of the Emerald Dream, in roughly that order of requisite effort. Given the simplicity of Classic's game design compared to now, I really do think it could be done. For much less effort, you could also expand on preexisting zones, such as by opening up western Stonetalon or the Ironforge Airfield.

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Sure, if you think so. I don't have good eyesight but I noticed difference between launch Classic interest and early Naxx Classic interest.

You're not wrong that interest did drop off, but given the overwhelming hype around it near the beginning, that's not really exceptionally surprising. At the very least, even if it was underwhelming or "solving" Classic was what killed it, I still think there would be a much larger and healthier community with the addition of new content and better moderation, especially if Blizzard never made the disastrous decision to pursue pre-order incentives and level boosts.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

The point of classic wasn't new content, just recreate something form the past. Seems like some people just wanted an entirely new instance of WoW but with Classic wow philosophy(Which is dated an no the current one isn't perfect don't have a heart attack). I find it funny some people claim to want classic and no changes but.... guess thats not what they really wanted.

[Cheezits]

The point of classic wasn't new content, just recreate something form the past. Seems like some people just wanted an entirely new instance of WoW but with Classic wow philosophy(Which is dated an no the current one isn't perfect don't have a heart attack). I find it funny some people claim to want classic and no changes but.... guess thats not what they really wanted.

I feel like the Classic zones and lore warrant a playthrough at any time, similar to SWTOR campaigns. A modern WoW expansion in EK/Kalimdor, with racial focus and other Classic inspirations, would be far better loved than a Classic +

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There's also the rabbit mount, which uses a new rig. So... there better be giant rabbits in the future. Or for Noblegarden lol

I think it's likely. The Zodiac Bull came out before the new creatures that use the bull rig, like Tauraluses and the new Bruffalon.

[ChairmanKaga]

Ranting about Classic seems like the opposite of what this thread is about.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Ranting about Classic seems like the opposite of what this thread is about.

The conversation went to classic for a bit, its not a biggie.

I feel like the Classic zones and lore warrant a playthrough at any time, similar to SWTOR campaigns. A modern WoW expansion in EK/Kalimdor, with racial focus and other Classic inspirations, would be far better loved than a Classic +

Oh I agree modern/retail wow will always be important then classic. As much as I want to be back on the old continents I don't see the fanbase be just as supportive as I am. The "THEY ARE LAZY" crowd will come out and such.

[Nebron]

Well it is high time people came to terms with the Cataclysm. It has been six expansions. Even more for the crash of the Exodar. Not sure this is what you mean with classic vibes, but the zones being less cataclysmic would make sense. Especially since at this point, they could make a Cataclysm - Classic server.

Well, I'm all for world-revamp, and when I think of that concept, I mean down-to-earth stories, pre-cataclismic vibe of adeventure, lesser scope of threat, more about pure fantasy, like necromancy, magic and knights, and less about grand-scope titan/order/ultimate-threats. I think Dragonflight does a really good job, but it's still relatively to what we had in like 3 past expansions. Also, if you close your eyes and forget about the time-shenaningans in Draenor, that story was pretty down-to-earth as well. Also, aesthically, I prefer dark, unsettling forests and beautiful, autumn color palatte plains, over crystals and green lava filled zones. And once again, Dragonflight nailed it. So story- and design-wise I would love to have much more space to breathe, like classic kinda had, but...

Classic and almost everything pre-Legion is absolutely outdated for modern gameplay. I'm tempted to say that even current version of WoW is pretty much outdated. It's hard to tell what should change in that regard, but definitely WoW requires some re-imagining, or changing it's gameplay philosophy.

When it comes to story, Dragonflight create such a PERFECT opportunity at so many levels, as I already mentioned in previous post. But add green dragons to that, "renewing" Azeroth. Infinite possibilities, really

[Scyth]

I don't think Vyranoth is gonna get a "redemption" arc, or atleast not survive it. We've heard from the devs that we'll learn more about the terrible actions of the primalists in the coming patches, and we'll presumably kill Fyrakk. Having killed two of her siblings isn't gonna make her suddenly good, especially after being imprisoned for thousands of years.
Yes, she might not agree with Iridikiron later down the line, but due to the sunk cost fallacy she'll still be on the side of the primalists, perhaps her own faction similar to the sundered flame.
Another route I see is Iridikiron absoring Vyranoth's power for the final patch.

I thought the theories were she might switch allegiences because Iridikron has been corrupted etc. (i might be talking out of my arse here lol)
Either way I really hope at least one of them survive and have some role to play in the future, however unlikely that is, as I am a big fan of their design.

[Forum Man]

Jewelcrafters prepare for Tuesday
There's an item that can drop to use to spawn a rare that is VERY low HP that drops the recipe for the gem upgrade everyone will need.

I also suggest keeping up on knowledge for all professions among at least 2 characters because much free knowledge for new patterns from new raid

[Super Dickmann]

I figure what'll probably happen is that Iridikron and Fyrakk will both turn to the Void in desperation, whereas Vyranoth would draw the line at that (at least after she uncovers Iridikron's clandestine works). I'd personally like to keep it at her surviving, with her remaining a recurring elemental villain who continues by virtue of not doing something as self-destructive as embracing the Void, though it's nigh-inevitable at this point that she gets a redemption arc.

I will say that Fyrakk being corrupted just because he wanted to breathe fabulous purple fire on moles while laughing his ass off rather than because he had moping to do does endear me to him, at least on the off-chance he makes it through the patch. I also would much prefer that Vyranoth remain in charge of a left-over proper Primalist recurring villain faction, as they fill a different niche from Old God cultists, but this is Blizzard we're talking about so her taking a love and peace suppository is near guaranteed.

@Cheezits

Fyrakk's pink + orange and very fire focused look is a breed apart from the more standard Void look. If there's any meat at all in the Iridikron Light theory it's the aesthetic one though, as we're now two raids in and both have been underground, while 10.1 will have a void-themed end boss, which doesn't really lend itself to Iridikron who'd be both underground and void.

[Alanar]

I don't think Vyranoth is gonna get a "redemption" arc, or atleast not survive it. We've heard from the devs that we'll learn more about the terrible actions of the primalists in the coming patches, and we'll presumably kill Fyrakk. Having killed two of her siblings isn't gonna make her suddenly good, especially after being imprisoned for thousands of years.
Yes, she might not agree with Iridikiron later down the line, but due to the sunk cost fallacy she'll still be on the side of the primalists, perhaps her own faction similar to the sundered flame.
Another route I see is Iridikiron absoring Vyranoth's power for the final patch.

Coming patches?.. oo god.

[Wangming]

. Also, aesthically, I prefer dark, unsettling forests

Aren't those like the best zones Blizzard creates? Like Duskwood, Tirisfal, Silverpine, Gilneas, Drustvar, Revendreth, even Grizzly Hills for a lesser extent with the dead World Tree and the werewolf problem.

Then ones that are more like Diablo, funnily enough. Besides Nazjatar and the ED my dream expansion is one set in an alternate Azeroth where Gilneas was not destroyed by tidal waves and is run by a Greymane that has two living children. The catch is that in that universe instead of worgen, Arugal summoned Venthyr with their boss included.

[Black Rider]

Yay for more Emerald Dream!
https://www.wowhead.com/news/green-d...e-story-331934