Dragonflight 10.X Patches & 11.0 Speculation Thread

[Cheezits]

This new revelation is interesting, as it means that N'Zoth was not referring to the Janitor when he said "Only I can save Azeroth from what is to come"; he was, in fact, referring to the same Cosmic threat that the Janitor was fearful of.

I think this is an interesting development. The Old Gods remain crackling, maniacal, hysterical eldritch horrors, nevertheless this is an interesting development. They want to remain in power and take control of Azeroth, and this also means that they were willing to work with mortals against the greater threat. A threat that endangered their hold over the World-Soul. And indeed N'Zoth was trying to indoctrinate the player character several times throughout BfA.

Anyway, the return of N'Zoth is all but confirmed. Just as I predicted last year.

Also makes the rage about the Jailer's death scene kind of funny when it wasn't actually just a vague tease, but a follow-up to what N'zoth was saying. But because BFA was so crap people didn't connect N'zoth's warning to Zovaal's.

[Foreign Exchange Ztudent]

There's a lot more depth to this game than people want to give credit for and unfortunately Steve tries to discredit that depth repeatedly by making people who give a serious fuck about this lore a free clown makeup routine and a strait jacket.

I honestly don't see how he can satisfactorily end the plot threads either way. But, it is entertaining so its' whatever. At least, he trying to keep dragging the community into believing the N'zoth 5000D plan is still real for now.

[Khaza-R]

Also makes the rage about the Jailer's death scene kind of funny when it wasn't actually just a vague tease, but a follow-up to what N'zoth was saying. But because BFA was so crap people didn't connect N'zoth's warning to Zovaal's.

I thought it was fairly obvious they were alluding to the same thing by 9.2. But speaking in cryptic riddles is sort of the Old Gods thing. They already seeded the entire expansion that things aren't what they seem and N'zoth knew some great mystery that the PC didn't.

I suppose a little of that existed with Zovaal as well but his motivation were so not existent that it just felt like he did a total 180 in character by trying to say he was attempting to save the universe from whatever vague threat is out there.

[Varodoc]

Also makes the rage about the Jailer's death scene kind of funny when it wasn't actually just a vague tease, but a follow-up to what N'zoth was saying. But because BFA was so crap people didn't connect N'zoth's warning to Zovaal's.

I mean, how could we imagine that N'Zoth was referring to the same threat Janitor was talking about... when this threat would be alluded to for the first time 2 years after N'Zoth raid?

There was literally no reason for us to assume N'Zoth was referring to this new threat, instead of simply referring to the Janitor himself.

This does feel like a revelation that came out of nowhere, nevertheless the asspull effects of this revelation are mitigated by the fact that N'Zoth's statement was so ambiguous that I can believe he was referring to the new threat.

Even though, when N'Zoth raid came out, we literally knew nothing about this "new threat" the Janitor was talking about... since Danuser hadn't made that up yet. And so, the easiest conclusion with the means we had was that N'Zoth was simply referring to the events of Shadowlands.

Now we know that N'Zoth was not only aware of the Janitor's plan, but also of the same threat that Death was concerned about. Which adds a new layer of complexity to the situation.

So your argument is flawed. If your argument is that Danuser actually set that threat first in the Ny'alotha raid, then he did a terrible job, since pretty much everyone assumed N'Zoth was simply referring to Shadowlands, not to something beyond that. As we didn't have the concrete means to speculate beyond that.

[Le Conceptuel]

https://twitter.com/soulsobreezy/sta...aKC4TWGcxCJUWA

5th Old God. Love to see it!

Xal'Atath? Seems like those might even be her notes since the diction matches up.

Dialogue's a little stilted on her part, though. If you're writing snippy notes in the margins, it usually behooves you to be a little more concise and less excessively formal, especially given it seems like the vandal is writing out of frustration and not trying to communicate to anyone in particular.

See:

"Pathetic, what kind of saviors of the universe don't realize their efforts were being undermined by one of their own?" <--> "Saviors of the universe, exceedingly stupid?"

"Evil? According to whom . . . (etc.)" <--> "Truly impartial."

"They looked upon the most impressive empire . . . (etc.)" <--> "Act of envy."

One thing that does mildly annoy me is Blizzard's penchant towards "generic fantasy" dialogue in recent expansions, especially given that it only really started at being this excessive around Battle for Azeroth. I wouldn't call it "flowery", as it's actually rather beige, but there's some quality about it that makes it come off as masturbatory and anodyne.

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Because that's the body of a high elf and that's it. Biologically your void elves are half-elven/half-ethereal mutants. Xal'atath has nothing to do with ethereals, and her model is just a placeholder.

One thing that makes it suitable is that WoW Elves are parasitic, destructive, and malignant. The Void is parasitic, destructive, and malignant.

Source: Elf player

[Cheezits]

One thing that does mildly annoy me is Blizzard's penchant towards "generic fantasy" dialogue in recent expansions, especially given that it only really started at being this excessive around Battle for Azeroth. I wouldn't call it "flowery", as it's actually rather beige, but there's some quality about it that makes it come off as masturbatory and anodyne.

I think it's an attempt to reign in the over-modernization of Cataclysm. Characters were ridiculously verbose in Vanilla.

[Nymrohd]

I think it's an attempt to reign in the over-modernization of Cataclysm. Characters were ridiculously verbose in Vanilla.

I mean, Nefarian and Onyxia were so funny in how crazy their dialogue was.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

People here are really and gamers in general get real uppity about dialogue in video games. I don't understand it honestly, its very RARE for me to go "Ok that was weird" when it comes to dialogue.

[Houle]

Ok, so Xal 5th old god confirmed. Guess we all saw that coming, but im curious what theyll pull out of their hat as an explanation why Xal was scrubbed from the history books of the titans (aka chronicles). Probably something along the lines of "She was so powerful she needed to be erased blah blah"

Also, combine these pages with the interview where Danuser said N'zoths warnings werent about the Janitor at all, but about the same cosmic threat he saw coming, and i think its getting obvious that the Void is trying to corrupt a world soul for the same reason the Janitor did his stuff: they are trying to create a Dark Titan to enslave the universe, so they can survive whatever big bad is coming.

And that would be pretty fckn boring. So all the cosmic forces are trying to usurp the others because they are afraid of some "mysterious" new big bad who we are supposed to be soooooooo scared of...yawn. Every cosmic force is basically becoming the same thing, just in different colours. All of them can corrupt, enslave, resurrect, destroy, transform or whatever else.

[Sondrelk]

Ok, so Xal 5th old god confirmed. Guess we all saw that coming, but im curious what theyll pull out of their hat as an explanation why Xal was scrubbed from the history books of the titans (aka chronicles). Probably something along the lines of "She was so powerful she needed to be erased blah blah"

Also, combine these pages with the interview where Danuser said N'zoths warnings werent about the Janitor at all, but about the same cosmic threat he saw coming, and i think its getting obvious that the Void is trying to corrupt a world soul for the same reason the Janitor did his stuff: they are trying to create a Dark Titan to enslave the universe, so they can survive whatever big bad is coming.

And that would be pretty fckn boring. So all the cosmic forces are trying to usurp the others because they are afraid of some "mysterious" new big bad who we are supposed to be soooooooo scared of...yawn. Every cosmic force is basically becoming the same thing, just in different colours. All of them can corrupt, enslave, resurrect, destroy, transform or whatever else.

I still stand by that they are all afraid of the 7th force. Which just so happens to be us the players.
Makes the most sense to me to have all the various cosmic for es be afraid of us to some extent. It also has the benefit of avoiding a potential biggest bad, while ensuring a steady supply of enemies who want us dead.

[KOUNTERPARTS]

“Five” evil gods, huh.

Either Blizzard’s lore team dun goofed or once again, the players/community can telegraph Blizzard’s story choices and direction years in advance.

[Gorsameth]

Also makes the rage about the Jailer's death scene kind of funny when it wasn't actually just a vague tease, but a follow-up to what N'zoth was saying. But because BFA was so crap people didn't connect N'zoth's warning to Zovaal's.

No, its that "omg the bad guy was just trying to protect us from an even worse guy" is the most face palm moments of garbage writing.

[Makabreska]

“Five” evil gods, huh.

Either Blizzard’s lore team dun goofed or once again, the players/community can telegraph Blizzard’s story choices and direction years in advance.

Plenty of people here can to the latter, that's how we know every time that this next expansion will defo have a world revamp.

[Le Conceptuel]

I think it's an attempt to reign in the over-modernization of Cataclysm. Characters were ridiculously verbose in Vanilla.

They were, and it was perfectly fair, but it was in a fairly tame capacity. The new dialogue feels far more, as I said, masturbatory and anodyne. It may just be that it's plain worse, but there's something about the way characters communicate now that feels a tad insufferable. The stilted pathos makes it worse.

It's not the verbosity or the anachronism alone, either—I enjoy FromSoft dialogue and it leans quite heavily into verbose and anachronistic diction. In fact, most of the dialogue I write myself is very anachronistic. Modern WoW dialogue isn't even so much anachronistic as it is plain cheesy—it's very hard to place the exact issue, I confess, but I think the difference is there.

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Also, combine these pages with the interview where Danuser said N'zoths warnings werent about the Janitor at all, but about the same cosmic threat he saw coming, and i think its getting obvious that the Void is trying to corrupt a world soul for the same reason the Janitor did his stuff: they are trying to create a Dark Titan to enslave the universe, so they can survive whatever big bad is coming.

And that would be pretty fckn boring. So all the cosmic forces are trying to usurp the others because they are afraid of some "mysterious" new big bad who we are supposed to be soooooooo scared of...yawn. Every cosmic force is basically becoming the same thing, just in different colours. All of them can corrupt, enslave, resurrect, destroy, transform or whatever else.

I find that very unfortunate. I was holding out hope that the Janitor's big fear was the imminent war between the other Cosmic Forces, which would make his behavior honestly make a fair lick of sense. It would also not require a giant rewrite of the Void's motives, too, because their goal would still be the same—corrupt the Final Titan to win the war and consume everything else.

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Either Blizzard’s lore team dun goofed or once again, the players/community can telegraph Blizzard’s story choices and direction years in advance.

To be fair, they broadcasted that all the way back in Legion when it was mentioned that Xal'Atath could be a remnant of the fifth Old God.

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but im curious what theyll pull out of their hat as an explanation why Xal was scrubbed from the history books of the titans (aka chronicles). Probably something along the lines of "She was so powerful she needed to be erased blah blah"

I'm definitely hoping they don't try to one-up the last few threats again and keep it to "she was an Old God, the other Old Gods wanted to eat every other Old God, and she was the first and only one that was actually killed by the others, but her undying essence remained and was put into the dagger".

[guro-tchai]

there were five old gods since classic. it's the same vanilla book with someone's comments, maybe Nelth's.
besides, it's probably G'huun. he's considered an old god by them, and it's completely natural to present own mistakes as something that's always been there.

[Nymrohd]

It's not the verbosity or the anachronism alone, either—I enjoy FromSoft dialogue and it leans quite heavily into verbose and anachronistic diction. In fact, most of the dialogue I write myself is very anachronistic. Modern WoW dialogue isn't even so much anachronistic as it is plain cheesy—it's very hard to place the exact issue, I confess, but I think the difference is there.

I mean it's not that hard to place. It's just worse writing occasionally saved by good voice actors.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Plenty of people here can to the latter, that's how we know every time that this next expansion will defo have a world revamp.

Being able to predict something doesn't mean its bad.

I mean it's not that hard to place. It's just worse writing occasionally saved by good voice actors.

"Worse writing" This whole forum exaggerates what the game is or how bad it is

[Makorus]

Before everyone loses their shit, the book is NOT new. The new part are the annotations by Neltharion.



The book itself is literally from the WC3 manual, so I wouldn't even analyze that at all.

[Cheezits]

I think they are definitely going to run with the fifth old god thing, it's been insanely likely since day one of Legion with Xal'atath. Them reusing the vanilla book means that they are aware of what it says.

[Cosmicpreds]

“Five” evil gods, huh.

Either Blizzard’s lore team dun goofed or once again, the players/community can telegraph Blizzard’s story choices and direction years in advance.

The 5 Old Gods ordeal was a thing since Vanilla. Chronicle "retconned" it, and now I think they're either confirming there were 5 always, or they're backtracking on the whole Chronicle and beyond BS with the 4 Old Gods. That, or the book is just wrong still lmaooo

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Before everyone loses their shit, the book is NOT new. The new part are the annotations by Neltharion.



The book itself is literally from the WC3 manual, so I wouldn't even analyze that at all.

This 100%.