Dragonflight 10.X Patches & 11.0 Speculation Thread

[Sondrelk]

Centaurs are as feminine as devs can put them.
"May your family be blessed with daughters" Imagine outrage if there was "sons".
Centaurs are Maruuk in name, but they give 2 shits about Maruuk, unstead his wife is saint.
Khans are all female. Only Nokhud one was male, but was killed bc he was evil, powerhungry maniac.

Matrilineal societies do exist you know. Jews are an obvious one that traces lineage matrilineally.

Maruuk is mentioned less, but it's still his name plastered over everything. Maruuk centaur living in Maruukai.
Is it just because they put emphasis on being children of Teera, rather than Teera AND Maruuk?

[Arafal]

Oh no, gender was mentioned.

Time to watch a bunch of people give their most braindead takes on the topic for the next 4-5 pages, just because they can't help themselves.

[Dancaris]

Matrilineal societies do exist you know. Jews are an obvious one that traces lineage matrilineally.

Maruuk is mentioned less, but it's still his name plastered over everything. Maruuk centaur living in Maruukai.
Is it just because they put emphasis on being children of Teera, rather than Teera AND Maruuk?

Matrilineal societies is fine. But if khans are female role - why put Balakar as male in charge and make him villian? If Balakar was female we can assume that Maruuk centaurs are just matriarchal and be good with that. But unstead we have female good/male bad story, again.

[Sondrelk]

Matrilineal societies is fine. But if khans are female role - why put Balakar as male in charge and make him villian? If Balakar was female we can assume that Maruuk centaurs are just matriarchal and be good with that. But unstead we have female good/male bad story, again.

We also only have four major claims we know the leader of. One has a female speaking with a male interpreter, and another is represented by a male we do quests with, and who gives the orders in the dungeon.

This just sounds like a massive overreaction to a minor faction.

[Jaggler]

Khan isn't a female only role, the previous Khan of the the Nokhud has been said to be very well respected among the centaurs and the Khan of the Clan the Nokhud overthrew to rise up was also led by a male centaur.

[Worldshaper]

i am generally in phase with you but



are you seriously suggesting a return of borrowed powers?! wtf

All I know is that I had more fun with the Artifact Weapons than I am having without them.

[Skildar]

This just sounds like a massive overreaction to a minor faction.

This phrase is a massive exaggeration...

[Yunravel]

Matrilineal societies is fine. But if khans are female role - why put Balakar as male in charge and make him villian? If Balakar was female we can assume that Maruuk centaurs are just matriarchal and be good with that. But unstead we have female good/male bad story, again.

This, sadly. Nzoooth baaaad, big ass lazy octopus groomer

Azshara go go go girlboss.

Repeat this again and again on every stories we had since wod

[Skildar]

Matrilineal societies is fine. But if khans are female role - why put Balakar as male in charge and make him villian? If Balakar was female we can assume that Maruuk centaurs are just matriarchal and be good with that. But unstead we have female good/male bad story, again.

It didn't strike me when doing the quests that indeed, females have better roles in the ohn'aran plains because you encounter quite a few good guys males even if they don't assume position of power.

But it was said before and it is for sure part of the theme of dragon isles that marginalized people are good strong people. Being inclusive and open-minded and actively listening is a need that goes above anything else, just like setting aside your differences even if it goes against any common sense or the logic of the world they are in (to the point where you need to listen to terrorists c.f. Kalec themarore and Alex sundered flame, Noz infinite sisters questlines).

[Sondrelk]

All I know is that I had more fun with the Artifact Weapons than I am having without them.

Never liked Artifact weapons all that much. They were fun to collect at the very start, but once you had most of the available ones you ended up having no weapon skins to farm, which is a large amount of appearances not being there to farm.
In many ways it's like how BfA and SL in my opinion suffered from not having class sets. Not because they were necessarily all bad, but because there was less to farm.

[Kiriastrasza]

All I know is that I had more fun with the Artifact Weapons than I am having without them.

To be honest as a casual player I agree with this statement, AP if done right with no option of infinite grind so people feel the need to get the most power possible in the least amount of time need to relax, I genuinely enjoyed the artifact weapons myself and I never suffered the burnout hardcore grinders did because I took my time and enjoyed the content.

[Sondrelk]

This, sadly. Nzoooth baaaad, big ass lazy octopus groomer

Azshara go go go girlboss.

Repeat this again and again on every stories we had since wod

Or an alternative reading:

Azshara so weak and pathetic as she has to be rescued by the adventurers she hates.

N'zoth big and cool, whispering into our minds as we follow his plans to the letter. Big cool voice and looming over us.


Both are hammy villains. One is just not obviously dead yet.

[Worldshaper]

Never liked Artifact weapons all that much. They were fun to collect at the very start, but once you had most of the available ones you ended up having no weapon skins to farm, which is a large amount of appearances not being there to farm.
In many ways it's like how BfA and SL in my opinion suffered from not having class sets. Not because they were necessarily all bad, but because there was less to farm.

To be honest as a casual player I agree with this statement, AP if done right with no option of infinite grind so people feel the need to get the most power possible in the least amount of time need to relax, I genuinely enjoyed the artifact weapons myself and I never suffered the burnout hardcore grinders did because I took my time and enjoyed the content.

It's about having a personal sense of progression that keeps you engaged throughout the expansion, I think.

Renown factions are pretty neat, but they feel pretty generic and stressful. It's something everybody shares, and you always feel like you're behind unless you do a set of specific pieces of world content all the time.

With Artifact Weapons, it felt like my own thing. My personal path to power, that also included lots of cool quests and transmogs. And it was with me throughout the expansion.

I'm not sure it even needs to be tied to power per se. But that conent delivery structure was great.

[Sondrelk]

To be honest as a casual player I agree with this statement, AP if done right with no option of infinite grind so people feel the need to get the most power possible in the least amount of time need to relax, I genuinely enjoyed the artifact weapons myself and I never suffered the burnout hardcore grinders did because I took my time and enjoyed the content.

I think AP grind is just one of those things that will be divisive forever. One side will always enjoy having all kinds of content be worthwhile all expansion. Another will complain because they have to farm Iskaaran Stew forever to stay competitive.

There is also the question of what kind of power it should give. Artifacts were effectively another layer of passive and active abilities that you couldn't do without. While the HoA were linked to Azerite Armor.

Personally I didn't mind the AP grind, but I did mind the extraneous power. Azerite Armor specifically never grabbed me, and always felt like a boring system layered on top.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

To be honest as a casual player I agree with this statement, AP if done right with no option of infinite grind so people feel the need to get the most power possible in the least amount of time need to relax, I genuinely enjoyed the artifact weapons myself and I never suffered the burnout hardcore grinders did because I took my time and enjoyed the content.

I have great moments with artifact weapons - Fishing for corrupted ashbringer with people for hours and fighting with the other faction at the spot, farming hidden thunderfury appearance for rogues with 4 other rogues on daily basis, figuring out how to sneak through faster and faster to kill the bosses.

Amongst many other things, artifacts having objectives to unlock more appearances or tints were really a cool, long term content, especially for more casual players.

Mage tower and artifact weapons - trying to get better and training to finally beat the boss for that sweet mog for your main classes and other classes/specs you never really played is also one of this very memorable things.


Hardcore players will have different opinion, but it's always the case since those are the people that play, grind hardcore 18 hours a day, especially when new expansion launches and they will just skip everything to the grinding part.

[Sondrelk]

I have great moments with artifact weapons - Fishing for corrupted ashbringer with people for hours and fighting with the other faction at the spot, farming hidden thunderfury appearance for rogues with 4 other rogues on daily basis, figuring out how to sneak through faster and faster to kill the bosses.

Amongst many other things, artifacts having objectives to unlock more appearances or tints were really a cool, long term content, especially for more casual players.

Mage tower and artifact weapons - trying to get better and training to finally beat the boss for that sweet mog for your main classes and other classes/specs you never really played is also one of this very memorable things.


Hardcore players will have other opinion, but it's always the case since those are the people that play hardcore 18 hours a day, especially when new expansion launches and they will just skip everything to the grinding part.

I think my view on Artifacts is that most of the bits players enjoyed are bits that could be achieved just as well if not better in other ways.

Corrupted Ashbringer didn't have to be an Artifact Questline, it could have been a Paladin specific secret and worked just as well for instance.

[Santandame]

Put me in the camp or bring back artifact weapons. One of my favourite features added, ever. We should have never have lost them with BfA.

[ImTheMizAwesome]

I think my view on Artifacts is that most of the bits players enjoyed are bits that could be achieved just as well if not better in other ways.

Corrupted Ashbringer didn't have to be an Artifact Questline, it could have been a Paladin specific secret and worked just as well for instance.

I mean corrupted ashbringer appearance in Legion was a paladin hall secret, hidden appearance for paladins, that secret finder discord found how to achieve.

Instead of it being just being some % low random drop, it became a social thing and probably created many memorable moments when farming this specific appearance.

The same goes for other hidden appearances that were tied to secrets, i think they did it the right way.

Majority of players seems to be enjoyed how stuff like that was done, so there doesn't have to be better way, it was good enough to have players entertained and memorable for them.

EDIT: i remember that already answered to you before, when you said that Legion had nothing besides class halls and i listed all things that legion had as content, i think that overall you' just really don't like Legion, but also don't want to admit that you just don't like it, without saying that something was not done correctly, when it actually was and people enjoyed it.

[Dancaris]

Or an alternative reading:

Azshara so weak and pathetic as she has to be rescued by the adventurers she hates.

N'zoth big and cool, whispering into our minds as we follow his plans to the letter. Big cool voice and looming over us.


Both are hammy villains. One is just not obviously dead yet.

Never saw anyone that praised N'Zoth. But Azshara and her cheeks (yes, they are that good. I agree) was all over the wow forums. But its nothing to do with matriarchy of some races.
But alas, we are here not to discuss left-wing propaganda and gender roles, yes?
All I ask is equality of representation that recently was heavily shifted to male bad and non-impotant and female is good and impotant scheme. We need hairy and strong masculine man, we need strong woman, we need feminine woman and we need less masculine man also. But not like novadays when we have depressed Nozdormu, absolute non-masculine Kalec, hippi-cow Ebyssian and Malfurion with some NTR issues.
We need Thrall from WC3, we need Cairne, Varian from WotLK, Grommash from alternative Draenor. Strong, reliable man. And we need Mia Greymane that relies at Genn, but have her own role in this. Or Mankrik and Mahka.
As for lgbtq+ (or how they prefer call themselfs) - I think that devs will put them anyways so I am not talking about that.

[Nymrohd]

Put me in the camp or bring back artifact weapons. One of my favourite features added, ever. We should have never have lost them with BfA.

My only issue with artifact weapons and class halls was that they were so uneven. You had the Ashbringer and the Scepter of Sargeras at the same space as Titanstrike. You had class hall questlines like the DK and Rogue one alongside the Monk mess.