Dragonflight 10.X Patches & World Soul Saga Speculation Thread

[Revamp Man]

you cant give a character so many death flags then go "yeah hes gonna lead now"

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Lorewise they don't. They're ALWAYS fighting inside mechs. You see it throughout Blizzard artwork. The damn racial leaders are both mech pilots, and Mekkatorque and Gallywix had a mech battle in BFA that looked like something out of Gundam.

Gnome and Goblin players being unable to partake in that fantasy is infuriating.

We have a story of mekkatorque punching the light out of Troggs while fighting in gnomeregan.

Trinkets don’t always fight in mechs.

[Super Dickmann]

Why Ebyssian though? Why couldnt it just be Emberthal like what made sense? Is it just because the devs wanted a fifth giant dragon model in Valdrakken? Because I am inclined t believe that is the reason why.

Emberthal is completely unqualified, even if the narrative case made for her was fairly interesting. On top of the obvious disqualifier that she isn't a proper dragon and that Thrall Earthwarder business should've permanently soured people on that twist, Ebyssian has the dual benefit of being more qualified in-story, what with being a de facto racial leader for some few thousand years, and not being tied to a class in-game. While a more productive bond between the Black Aspect and the Dracthyr leader would be an interesting enough spin on Neltharion's original intent, as their main class rep and the only hope of them being relative earlier, along with following up on the whole bit about her making her own place in the world, Emberthal needs to actually do something outside of their direct oversight.

[guro-tchai]

Something to be said about how the two leaders who merited regime change were a brown man and a mentally ill woman and this at the hands of a blonde blue-eyed hereditary monarch. My deeply held progressive values were under vicious assault in Mists and BFA.

i mean, at this point it's fairly obvious that cdev is cryptofascist - imagine making a song with a message "Proudm0r did nothing wrong"

You're right. I forgot about Maiev consoling Tyrande at Sylvanas' trial after Maiev tried to kill Tyrande multiple times & during Cataclysm, coordinated the assassination of multiple Night Elf politicians in an attempt to take control of the government. It's literally just Sylvanas who doesn't get a pass.

they're both women though - looks like we have more to learn about race relations after all.
an alternative stance is taken by C. Poster in Sylvanas Windrunner of the World of Warcraft, Hillary Clinton, and the Rhetoric of Female Leadership, who takes more than just race into account.

[Ersula]

Please, I'm clearly making more of a Marxist argument. The Night Elf mages are all the descendants of the vampiric Highborne kulak class and their physical liquidation is both a moral (and narrative) necessity for the good of the organism at large.

I know you're kidding but I don't think it's even expressly stated that the politicians she killed were even mages. Arcane magic being legalized in Darnassus was just something that happened around the same time.

Why Ebyssian though? Why couldnt it just be Emberthal like what made sense? Is it just because the devs wanted a fifth giant dragon model in Valdrakken? Because I am inclined t believe that is the reason why.

Because other than "protecting Azeroth" Dragon Aspects main job is perpetuating the brood. And I doubt its even possible for Drakthyr to push those huge eggs out their cloaca.

To be fair to Maiev, she was trying to round up and hang all Night Elf mages to keep them from becoming playable and compromising night elf identity, which is not only defensible, but laudable and necessary. We're all the poorer for her failure.

I'm sure if anyone had read the Cataclysm novel, as soon as Maeiv started ranting about "the mongrel races" a lot of wow players would have empathized with her.

[Teriz]

We have a story of mekkatorque punching the light out of Troggs while fighting in gnomeregan.

Trinkets don’t always fight in mechs.

TBF, we were talking about Orcs and Tauren, not Troggs.

No one is afraid of Troggs.

[Khaza-R]

well thats nice Wrathion got wasted for some random dragon that had NO connection to anything with the black dragons and got saved by wrathion
blizz levels of writing

Seems par on course? Didn't they completely forget about him in Legion despite the whole thing being part of his elaborate plan.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

It's lame because of the model, but also because he acts and even talks like Baine.

Honestly he’s worse then Baine, Baine atleast actually went to fight Garrosh’s forces and stood up to Sylvanas (even though both came way to late), where Ebon horn hide like a coward for every thing even when the legion was on his door step.

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Honestly he’s worse then Baine, Baine atleast actually went to fight Garrosh’s forces and stood up to Sylvanas (even though both came way to late), where Ebon horn hide like a coward for every thing even when the legion was on his door step.

Which he even admits later on. Ya'll are overreacting like crazy.

[Reive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lslC...hannel=Wowhead

the cinematic with the spoilered tree

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Seems par on course? Didn't they completely forget about him in Legion despite the whole thing being part of his elaborate plan.

They didn’t forget about him they wrote him out. Originally in the beta he was the one who cleansed Ebon horn of corruption in high Mountain and he was the second uncorrupted whelp.

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Which he even admits later on. Ya'll are overreacting like crazy.

He then does nothing to actually stand up to any of the threats in this patch and tells the people who are to not be so angry all the time.

Nothing has changed he’s still a worse Baine.

[Kiivar86]

Why Ebyssian though? Why couldnt it just be Emberthal like what made sense? Is it just because the devs wanted a fifth giant dragon model in Valdrakken? Because I am inclined t believe that is the reason why.

Honestly I still wonder if there's some unspoken requirement of being a full dragon to be an aspect. That's what I'm suspecting at this point.

[Super Dickmann]

I'm sure if anyone had read the Cataclysm novel, as soon as Maeiv started ranting about "the mongrel races" a lot of wow players would have empathized with her.

Her main grievance was over the Highborne and she was offing those first, but the Night Elf reasoning for being viciously against every other race is essentially the only rational position a night elf could take, given where their interaction with literally anyone else on the planet got them. When we met them, they were a continent-spanning empire with the strongest army around, blessed and supported by the ancients of the world. Then they kindly sacrificed their world tree, immortality and power over nature on behalf of the other races.

Their reward? Now they're an endangered species, vassals to an absentee kid on another continent who's lived 1/500th of the lifespan of one of their leaders, with half their lands taken over and logged by an alien species and with the main taboo of their culture nixed on behalf of a bunch of crack addicts who sat around in a ruin draining a demon and performing routine cullings of their society for a few thousand years.

It's the same problem as with @guro-tchai 's comment re: the Jaina song. The game wants us to feel Jaina's on the wrong path or whatever and see the Kul Tirans as reasonable for inexplicably changing their entire historiography re: Daelin, but no one in their shoes would ever come to that conclusion given that everything Daelin warned about ended up happening and Kul Tiras itself was being invaded by the Horde at the time.

[Revamp Man]

Seems par on course? Didn't they completely forget about him in Legion despite the whole thing being part of his elaborate plan.

no they removed him
originally he was ebonhorn and we found uncorrupted black dragon eggs
that got scrapped and we got the moose that couldnt step foot away from highmountain without Wrathion's cure

[Gurahk]

I'm sure if anyone had read the Cataclysm novel, as soon as Maeiv started ranting about "the mongrel races" a lot of wow players would have empathized with her.

I'm sure she and Garrosh would've been good friends under different circumstances.

[Revamp Man]

I don't quite understand what Merithra is doing or how it relates to the rest of the cutscene.

shes supposed to be the new green aspect which begs the question....WHY DID WE BRING YSERA BACK

[Ersula]

Her main grievance was over the Highborne and she was offing those first, but the Night Elf reasoning for being viciously against every other race is essentially the only rational position a night elf could take, given where their interaction with literally anyone else on the planet got them. When we met them, they were a continent-spanning empire with the strongest army around, blessed and supported by the ancients of the world. Then they kindly sacrificed their world tree, immortality and power over nature on behalf of the other races.

When you put it that way it makes total sense Tyrande & her would be best friends now. (I initially wrote this line as sarcasm, then I started thinking about it it makes total sense.) We look at Silithus as an example of Night Elves trying to expand their empire: Yeah, Tyrande was all for turning the desert into a forest. Just ignore that turning a Desert, a natural biome, into a different natural biome, would kill all the living creatures to whom a desert is their ideal habitat. Night Elves consider themselves the protectors of the natural world but their hubris & contempt for nature is equally as macabre as the Forsaken's.

I don't quite understand what Merithra is doing or how it relates to the rest of the cutscene.

Danuser refuses to write any lore bibles for the expansion because it would render him irrelevant so none of the people writing these questlines knows what the others are doing.

[Raetary]

I don't quite understand what Merithra is doing or how it relates to the rest of the cutscene.

It's a vision.
They are showing us the tree is gonna appear soon, and the Aspects will stand united with us to protect it.


Which basically confirms a Dream themed 10.2

[Lorgar Aurelian]

shes supposed to be the new green aspect which begs the question....WHY DID WE BRING YSERA BACK

Blizzard made the quest and then back petalled at mock 10 when they got back lash on how awful trading Malf for her was.

Merithra Is just a last minute fix to there awful idea and they had no real plans for her.

[guro-tchai]

I'm sure she and Garrosh would've been good friends under different circumstances.

well, about that...
NE is green, O is green. both hate demons and immigrants lesser races. hate lesser races and fel together - Horde is a family, a big tent!