1. #20201
    Quote Originally Posted by snewo View Post
    However, it then goes on to state "right now he's supporting World of Warcraft leadership in crafting the next generation of adventures". That implies, at the very least, that he isn't hands on for retail development. He's supporting others who lead that.

    So either he's heading up some unannounced project, OR, he's hands on working on Classic+.
    Is there any good reason "The next generation of adventures" doesn't mean "retail's upcoming expansion" because it seems like that's the most obvious thing that statement would elude to.

    Again I point to the fact about a year ago Retail WoW was actively looking for a Lead Narrative Director, despite Danuser fulfilling that role during Dragonflight. Danuser is handling a lot of the writing, but with Metzen being his boss. That points to the nature of Metzen's new title focusing on congruity between the warcraft properties and despite the wild claims people keep making about classic here, retail is the franchise's tentpole. Otherwise Metzen's title would have been "Creative Director with no reference to exactly what he was working on" People claiming Classic takes some sort of precedence over Retail have lost track of reality.
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    However, even Classic ties into the bigger picture. For one, you need somebody in charge to tell people what's OK or not with regards to respecting Classic and its lore. But I can't imagine his day to day job involves a lot of creative meetings around the lore of Classic (unless + is coming, of course).
    If they really intend classic to progress at the same 2 year per rate per expansion, they'll probably have a big restart every 3 expansions. Season of Mastery+ with themeing like Diablo seasons: I hope they get really outlandish with it, say one time they reset, they let you play classic with the class race combinations they added in cataclysm, or legion style invasions etc.

    Seasons of Mastery still don't require a dedicated executive creative director though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I'd say at least as far as raids are concerned, my biggest indication is the Soridormi daily where you get to be a quest giver. In one of the quests you give, you send Aeonormu to effectively play an expansion which is described as having about three raids.
    I have no words and I am confused, what the fuck Blizzard.
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  3. #20203
    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post
    I have no words and I am confused, what the fuck Blizzard.
    I wouldnt think too hard about it. Last expansion had three raids, and I doubt the writers got orders from above to manage expectations for the future by specifying three raids only. If anything I would think it just as likely that they sat down to write and thought Three major patches with a raid = Three raids, obviously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    I wouldnt think too hard about it. Last expansion had three raids, and I doubt the writers got orders from above to manage expectations for the future by specifying three raids only. If anything I would think it just as likely that they sat down to write and thought Three major patches with a raid = Three raids, obviously.
    I still doubt they will use Blizzcon stage to announce a negative Roadmap and bad business decisions. In Gamespot interview, we trust.
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  5. #20205
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    I wouldnt think too hard about it. Last expansion had three raids, and I doubt the writers got orders from above to manage expectations for the future by specifying three raids only. If anything I would think it just as likely that they sat down to write and thought Three major patches with a raid = Three raids, obviously.
    Shadowlands had three raids all with at least 10 bosses. I think that's a healthy amount. With 10.2, we haven't gotten quite as many bosses & based on how much left we have left in the standard 2 year cycle is why I think there will be a fourth. But I thought Shadowlands raids were the best part of that expansion. Am I alone in that feeling? It seems like the raids were the last thing people were complaining about Shadowlands.

    Who wants to bet they alternate from this point on? Four Raids one expansion, then 3 raids & a fated season the next. That would be consistent with what happened in BFA.
    Last edited by Ersula; 2023-09-27 at 02:27 PM.

  6. #20206
    I think wow could use some 1 boss raid again to just kill some big bad, but blizzard is probably just thinking about these "world first" marathons..

  7. #20207
    I will say the recent stuff we have (Cata Classic, revampy assets, interview statements) goes against Classic+, just confused why the guy who usually knows things is banking so hard on it unless it's to bait engagement from the people who actually want it/the people on here.

  8. #20208
    Quote Originally Posted by BaumanKing View Post
    Danuser has completely reshaped Warcraft's cosmology to his own liking, and his new direction is appealing to a lot of people who aren't afraid of change. I bet even Metzen likes it because on twitter he never said anything negative about Danuser's new vision. Metzen even praised DF story several times.
    I'm not afraid of change and yet, I'm still disappoinment with the story direction since Steven Danuser took the steering wheel.
    And - since when the lack of criticism is equivalent to appreciation?

  9. #20209
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I will say the recent stuff we have (Cata Classic, revampy assets, interview statements) goes against Classic+, just confused why the guy who usually knows things is banking so hard on it unless it's to bait engagement from the people who actually want it/the people on here.
    If you're referring to Towellie, it feels like a really strange hill to die on. A majority of the evidence opposes what he says, but he's very insistent. Regardless, as cool as Classic+ would be, I can't imagine splitting the playerbase more is something Blizzard would like to do right now. Hope for 11.0 revamp, expect new places whether it be islands, underground, Avaloren, or a combination of all 3. Hope for a version of Classic+, expect Cata Classic.

  10. #20210
    Quote Originally Posted by Jastall View Post
    A dead end that sells millions of copies per expansion, before sub fees, tokens, services and all?
    Citation please.

  11. #20211
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Citation please.
    The Quarterly Investors' call. They haven't given DF's exact numbers but every recent expansion has sold between 3 and 4 million copies. Dragonflight definitely isn't so lower that expansions become irrelevant. Maybe if they announce the next expansion will be free it would.
    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    If you're referring to Towellie, it feels like a really strange hill to die on. A majority of the evidence opposes what he says, but he's very insistent. Regardless, as cool as Classic+ would be, I can't imagine splitting the playerbase more is something Blizzard would like to do right now. Hope for 11.0 revamp, expect new places whether it be islands, underground, Avaloren, or a combination of all 3. Hope for a version of Classic+, expect Cata Classic.
    People seem to be exaggerating what Towellie said: All he said is "This is very exciting for Classic Players" and people are acting like the metzen news means "Classic HD PLUS EXPANSION CONFIRMED"
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  12. #20212
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    The Quarterly Investors' call. They haven't given DF's exact numbers...
    Stop right there.
    What you're saying is they had one good month or two that you know of out of the whole year. And maybe that could be expanded upon with a patch or two to maybe 5 months..6 months even. Should that paint a rosy picture here?

  13. #20213
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    All he said is "This is very exciting for Classic Players" and people are acting like the metzen news means "Classic HD PLUS EXPANSION CONFIRMED"
    How can this be framed in any way beyond "new content for Classic" when Classic currently is simply rereleases? Why would Classic players be excited about someone working on Retail?

    You could argue he was saying "Classic players should be excited about Retail now" but that's not what he seems to be saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    People seem to be exaggerating what Towellie said: All he said is "This is very exciting for Classic Players" and people are acting like the metzen news means "Classic HD PLUS EXPANSION CONFIRMED"


    ?

    I think he's just using Classic audience to bait them into thinking something is coming and then go "HAH 'GOTTEM" after Blizzcon Opening Ceremony, honestly.

    It just completely contradicts the Gamespot interview.
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  15. #20215
    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post
    I have no words and I am confused, what the fuck Blizzard.
    It's this fairly fun quest (A Multitude of Tasks) where Chromie asks you to do some trivial collect task and you tell her to go do it herself so you take up her spot for the day giving quests to adventurers. One of the parts of the quest is Aeonormu coming to tell you about a time disturbance and I'll quote below
    Quote Originally Posted by Aeonormu
    We just got reports of a new time anomaly!
    A time ripple has caused the Titans to not visit Azeroth! We need to send adventurers to the titans to convince them to come to Azeroth! They will likely have to work very closely with the Titans in their original battle against the old gods, and get to know them really well.
    We estimate it will take roughly two years for an adventurer to complete this. as they travel across proto-Azeroth and deal with roughly three large scale enemy strongholds!
    So, deal with roughly three large scale enemy strongholds. So the dev who made this considers an expansion to have roughly three raids.
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  16. #20216
    Quote Originally Posted by BaumanKing View Post
    Danuser has completely reshaped Warcraft's cosmology to his own liking, and his new direction is appealing to a lot of people who aren't afraid of change. I bet even Metzen likes it because on twitter he never said anything negative about Danuser's new vision. Metzen even praised DF story several times.
    I actually have nothing against the expansion of the "Cosmology" - it's how poorly that undertaking has been handled from both a story and lore perspective.
    Shadowlands completely negated core tenets of lore and culture across all Azeroth with only the most basic effort put in to explain the "inconsistencies".
    If you want to appreciate how poorly this was really dealt with, watch the Nobbel-Danuser late SL's interview/Q/A. Nobbel repeatedly hits him with glaring inconsistencies and missteps and Steve has very poor answers and grows increasingly irritable as this continues.
    That is a primary issue I think a lot of folks have with the WoW lore now - it feels hastily crafted for the "now" without consideration for what came before.
    Danuser didn't invent the Shadowlands or the majority of the Warcraft cosmology - he poorly implemented.

    And all of the above is not even touching on just how poorly much of the story has been told of late. Inconsistent character actions and dialogues abounded across both BFA and Shadowlands with both being primarily carried narratively by "mystery box" elements with very poor payoffs.

  17. #20217
    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post


    ?
    My interpretation of this was that Classic+ would be more likely than a WoW 2, opposed to a direct confirmation of Classic+ and rebuttal of a retail world revamp/overhaul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    So, deal with roughly three large scale enemy strongholds.
    Eh I pass and I think a lot of people should too if this is the case going forward as a standard.
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  19. #20219
    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post

    I think he's just using Classic audience to bait them into thinking something is coming and then go "HAH 'GOTTEM" after Blizzcon Opening Ceremony, honestly.

    It just completely contradicts the Gamespot interview.
    Or he's teasing about Cata Classic. But yeah, he's being weird.

    I will give him full accolades if he's fully right, 11.0 is another Filler Island without factions and Classic+ is the true future of the game. And I will also probably finally quit WoW lol.

  20. #20220
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    It's this fairly fan quest (A Multitude of Tasks) where Chromie asks you to do some trivial collect task and you tell her to go do it herself so you take up her spot for the day giving quests to adventurers. One of the parts of the quest is Aeonormu coming to tell you about a time disturbance and I'll quote below


    So, deal with roughly three large scale enemy strongholds. So the dev who made this considers an expansion to have roughly three raids.
    Or alternatively he considered "three major strongholds" to mean the three major patches and their associated zones.

    I wouldn't think too much about it honestly. Why would this quest be intentionally designed to hint at less content?
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