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    Part of me thinks all the Trading Post stuff related to Tanaris/Silithus is just because dev nerds like Call of the Scarab.

    Part of me thinks it's because those areas and the sword will be a big part of 11.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiriastrasza View Post
    You seem to be extremely convinced they will release an entire expansion around Underground/Gnomes/Goblins, there's no concrete evidence supporting this bar a Twitch streamer who would string anyone along for views alone and I very much doubt he has insider information.
    Where did I say I was "extremely convinced"? I merely said there's a solid chance of such an expansion happening. We're far too early to see any concrete evidence of any expansion concept, but there is evidence, and Toweliee's comments are definite one piece of evidence, and Zaralek Caverns being supposedly used for future content is another.

    We also got this interesting RAF set back in March;
    https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/worl...-fresh-rewards

    We got mecha kobolds (and Dr. Boom Datamined) for Warcraft Rumble for some reason;


    We got the Wastewater armor set that looks decidedly goblin;
    https://x.com/Portergauge/status/170...956604138?s=20

    And World of Warcraft twitter posted this today;
    https://x.com/Warcraft/status/1707126314606428450?s=20

    Despite all that we may not get an underground (undermine) expansion. It could very well be a Yrel expansion! We'll see soon enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swnem View Post
    "Highly exaggerated"


    No one told me. I was there. It was terrible. The decline of WoW started with Cataclysm. Game lost 4m subs in a single expansion.
    So, let's double down i say.
    Why are you showing a graph that shows it started declining in WotLK, then?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catastrophy349 View Post
    Would this confirm that the Incarnates and Elemental Lords aren't allies? I can't imagine Smolderon being okay with lending his energy to Fyrakk.

    Honestly, it could either point to an Elemental expansion where the other Elemental Lords are getting pulled into Azeroth's domain from their prisons...
    OR
    It could lead to an Underground expansion because Iridikron seeks a dark power that's deep within the earth and has to get through Therazane... So we have to travel down below as well and use the Undermine as a neutral hub city.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Praise be to the Ele-metzens!

    Wow thats gorgeous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woggmer View Post
    And Wrath had the highest count because the game was mainstream and made easier to those outside of the MMO-market. This is the point where WoW was becoming its own entity rather than trying to copy off EverQuest... 7.5 Million active users isn't something to scoff at.

    Plus that chart doesn't even say WHO's subscribed/unsubscribing, so it is hard to point to the root cause of what makes an expansion good or bad. All we have to go from is "Well the numbers say WoW's subscriptions are going down.. SO THE EXPANSION MUST BE BAD!"

    And keep in mind that by around 2010, More and more MMOs were starting to show up and there was actual competition with most of them trying to emulate what WoW had.
    Not mention that this was arround the MOBA Frenzy ERA start, many of my mmo friends stoped playing mmo in favor of moba games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Where did I say I was "extremely convinced"? I merely said there's a solid chance of such an expansion happening. We're far too early to see any concrete evidence of any expansion concept, but there is evidence, and Toweliee's comments are definite one piece of evidence, and Zaralek Caverns being supposedly used for future content is another.

    We also got this interesting RAF set back in March;
    https://news.blizzard.com/en-us/worl...-fresh-rewards

    We got mecha kobolds (and Dr. Boom Datamined) for Warcraft Rumble for some reason;


    We got the Wastewater armor set that looks decidedly goblin;
    https://x.com/Portergauge/status/170...956604138?s=20

    And World of Warcraft twitter posted this today;
    https://x.com/Warcraft/status/1707126314606428450?s=20

    Despite all that we may not get an underground (undermine) expansion. It could very well be a Yrel expansion! We'll see soon enough.
    I hate to use the actual word so I won’t… but that Warcraft video of the Gnome and Goblin man. I dunno… if anything has ever tried to hint at a special tech class, that is it right there. More than anything, this is convincing me Undermine is coming in some form lol.

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    I forgot to mention tha many other good/great games were released arround late 2009 and 2011.

    2009
    Bordelands, Left 4 Dead 2, Cod MW2, Dragon Age Origins, League of Legends, Fear 2

    2010
    God of War 3, Mass Effect 2, Red Dead Redemption, Bioshock 2, Darksides, Nier, Starcraft 2

    2011
    Dead Space 2, The elder Of Scroll V: Skyrim, Portal 2, Terraria, COD:MW3, Payday, Crysis 2, The Witcher 2, Battlefield 3, Dead Island, Gears of War 3, Dragon Age 2, Minecraft.

    While many games listed here are not direct competitors they are all games that can easylly take a player from WoW, a graph that shows a player decline is not a godly fact , it is just a indicator that something went wrong and what caused that can have many variables.


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    On the topic

    A light vs Void EXP could be a good reason to partially revamp the old world and also that would give some reason why we have seen some HD model of war machines.

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    I have to say, one thing I hate about WoW's version of things, I hate that kobolds are those rat people.

    I want my little gremlin dragon-wannabes. No, dracthyr don't cut it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ebonn View Post
    I hate to use the actual word so I won’t… but that Warcraft video of the Gnome and Goblin man. I dunno… if anything has ever tried to hint at a special tech class, that is it right there. More than anything, this is convincing me Undermine is coming in some form lol.
    That, and the fact that Blizzard might push out a new class earlier than normal in order to broaden the support role in future raiding content and not have it completely rely on Augmentation. If that happens, that class would be a prime candidate for inclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catastrophy349 View Post
    This is pretty big - I didn’t even know you should drain elemental lords powers like wtf.

    Could he take away flame abilities from shamans if he became the temp fire lord? Haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dragon ANX View Post
    Not mention that this was arround the MOBA Frenzy ERA start, many of my mmo friends stoped playing mmo in favor of moba games.
    I would say that's a little after around 2012issh maybe 2013, and then by 2016 it progressed to the hero shooter... and around 2018 to 2019 was the popularity around the Battle Royale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    I have to say, one thing I hate about WoW's version of things, I hate that kobolds are those rat people.

    I want my little gremlin dragon-wannabes. No, dracthyr don't cut it.
    ...Wouldn't Dungeons and Dragons sue Blizzard at that point if that was the case?

    Also kinda weird that there isn't any connection between the Niffen and Kobolds. I don't mean like they're related, I mean like if they're friendly or not with the Kobolds.

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    With metzen back how much of the 5E RPG book he made is going to sneak into wows lore?

    Anyone read this before? Auroboros: Coils of the Serpent: Worldbook - Lawbrand RPG https://a.co/d/1bR38WU

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    Quote Originally Posted by meroes View Post
    11.0 just got a whole lot better with Metzen. But it might take longer to notice since expacs take years, so he may be too late for 11.0. But it went from a hell no to a maybe! Ty Blizz for listening to the customers who made you.
    Well hes been back 9 months and the next expansion is still 12-14 months away. Nearly 2 years working on 11.0 is enough to change a lot. Maybe not the major theme, but all the tonal and zone storylines can 100% be changed my Metzen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woggmer View Post
    ...Wouldn't Dungeons and Dragons sue Blizzard at that point if that was the case?

    Also kinda weird that there isn't any connection between the Niffen and Kobolds. I don't mean like they're related, I mean like if they're friendly or not with the Kobolds.
    So long as they're different enough it should be find. Don't even need to call them kobolds, honestly.

    I mean, they haven't gone after them over the beholders and those are among D&D's more iconic monsters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    So long as they're different enough it should be find. Don't even need to call them kobolds, honestly.

    I mean, they haven't gone after them over the beholders and those are among D&D's more iconic monsters.
    The Beholder in D&D vs the WoW one is different in that a Beholder has eyes at the end of each tentacle.. while the WoW version just has the one eye and multiple tentacles.. even the older WoW version had one big eye and several mini eyes around the body.

    The closest we have to what D&D kobolds look like are the Draknoid Hatchlings.. like that one battle pet you'd get if you pre-ordered Dragonflight. Which already have the Goblin's model skeleton.. so they'd have to make a variant that is more reptilian and less dragon looking.
    Spoiler: 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    Wowhead is wrong btw, it's only 5 weeks of timewalking, not 6. So the new patch will prolly be on November the 1st, with the new raid 1-2 weeks after that (and after Blizzcon).
    They wont launch the patch a day or two before Blizzcon imo. Im guessing patch is Nov 7th with raid a week later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    That, and the fact that Blizzard might push out a new class earlier than normal in order to broaden the support role in future raiding content and not have it completely rely on Augmentation. If that happens, that class would be a prime candidate for inclusion.
    That’s actually a very good point. Being that it is tech based and brand new, it could easily fill any role they wanted it too. Hell, they could even make it involve music if they wanted to appease the bard people. (I hope they don’t…) That class could easily fill melee or ranged dps, tanking, healing, or support dps depending on how it was designed. And if they DO indeed go underground, and involve more Goblins and Dwarves and (hopefully(personally)) Gnomes, it’s a really really solid possibility the class gets added with it after years and years of fans talking about it.

    Also very possible they never add that class because of the controversy ha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Woggmer View Post
    The Beholder in D&D vs the WoW one is different in that a Beholder has eyes at the end of each tentacle.. while the WoW version just has the one eye and multiple tentacles.. even the older WoW version had one big eye and several mini eyes around the body.

    The closest we have to what D&D kobolds look like are the Draknoid Hatchlings.. like that one battle pet you'd get if you pre-ordered Dragonflight. Which already have the Goblin's model skeleton.. so they'd have to make a variant that is more reptilian and less dragon looking.
    Spoiler: 
    As I understand it WotC (or Hasbro I guess? WotC in the past at least) was pretty litigious with anything close to it but fair enough. And I admit my own ignorance in things as I just kinda figured kobolds in general were draconic to some degree but a wiki dive has since told me I'm very much wrong and kobolds are honestly pretty varied with versions of them being just kinda gremlins, small human-like sprites, their names were apparently the root for goblins even, and even some canine-like ones (those seem to be the version Japan prefers which are derived from Record of Lodoss War which themselves are derived from earlier D&D versions).

    So yeah, seems I'm mistaken.

    ...still want my draconic goblins though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flan1337 View Post
    This is pretty big - I didn’t even know you should drain elemental lords powers like wtf.

    Could he take away flame abilities from shamans if he became the temp fire lord? Haha
    A shaman only needs one elemental to grant them power like we used to get in the classic quest so even if the fire lord did try and stop shamans it would just take a single elemental ignoring his order to make it has no effect.
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