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    Quote Originally Posted by Izalla View Post
    And Battle for Azeroth had no old god plotlines. Oh wait. You can't dismiss anything when the expansion hasn't even been announced yet, because we don't know anything about it yet. Literally nothing is clear about what won't be in it. We only have hits of a few things that will be.
    I mean Vanilla had Old Gods
    There was an Old God summoning ritual in TBC
    Wrath had Yoggie bear
    Cataclysm was full on Old God mode
    MoP had Y'Shaarj stuff
    WoD.....yeah I think that was the one skip.
    Legion had Emelrald Nightmare, Knaifu, and all these other stuff related to Old God servants.
    BfA had two Old Gods, three if we count Knaifu
    Shadowlands...another skip, I guess
    Dragonflight....we are getting to that part.

    So yeah it is a pretty same bet that Old Gods wil be involved somehow in some form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izalla View Post
    The writers are probably a mix of pantsers and plotters. Some plots are being seeded for future use without an actual plan what said plots will be (probably most void related whispers), and some are put in place with specific ideas in mind. Both are valid ways to write as long as you don't have to make up a bunch of nonsense and retcons to justify/explain the stuff you did while pantsing.
    BfA expedition items are the best examples

    They put out all these story point and while some like the dragon isles are expansion we also get some that are just patches like the klaxxi.

    Smolderon was mentioned in one but doubt he was planned to be a 10.2 boss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    I think if they do a void expansion it would be in the form of another Argus type patch, as opposed to a Shadowlands kind of deal.
    Well when I say void expansion I don't mean it in a sense of going into the eye of the voidstorm. Just that it will involve void-aligned stuff. Doesn't even need to be directly Old Gods. It can be Naga, Twilight Hammer, or maybe the Nightmare escaping into the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izalla View Post
    The writers are probably a mix of pantsers and plotters. Some plots are being seeded for future use without an actual plan what said plots will be (probably most void related whispers), and some are put in place with specific ideas in mind. Both are valid ways to write as long as you don't have to make up a bunch of nonsense and retcons to justify/explain the stuff you did while pantsing.
    Yeah therein lies the problem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Revamp Man View Post
    I mean they had the 5th old god
    They had void influence in the dream
    Why not just put the two together?
    One of the best things they've done in recent years was the whole titan world soul thing that explained the Well of Eternity, why killing Old Gods was too dangerous and they had to be locked up, and why Azeroth is so special. All those things were completely unexplained, written according to rule of cool, and definitely did not have any plan or backstory when written, and thus were kinda stupid from a writing perspective. Exploring the mysteries of the universe or the titans too much is not exactly ideal, but those changes were a wonderful tying together of three unrelated concepts that just worked really well despite not being planned. Hats off who whoever came up with those changes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Its just with many of these things that were made years ago have suddenly a link to current stuff. I just dont buy it they had this in mind back then.

    Same with the jailor, who suddenly was the guy who was behind alot of stuff.
    Perhaps they had no concrete plan to what the use could be in the future.
    But, i could see them leaving things to be further developed later, and to be used in other threads of storylines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post

    But with the Shadowlands lore it seems more like the Dream is meant to be like, a waiting room where anima is recycled from Ardenweald into new life before it passes into the material plane. And it was designed that way by the First Ones, the Titans just utilized it to its full potential; as Life without well-maintained filters can get perverted with the weird invasive sentient plants of Draenor.
    You know, I actually like this interpretation. And it gives a chance for really crazy balls to the walls kinda life to exist in the Dream. Whatever got caught in the filter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    At this point its rather clear that 11.0 will not be a void expansion of any sort. More likely its going to be taking place on a new continent surrounded by storms, alongside Avaloren and Khaz Algar playing secondary roles.
    If you mentioned the main Legion leveling zones & the basic story behind them you wouldn’t think it’s a Legion expansion.
    Vrykul/Val’kyr Titan zone.
    Naga/“eye of Azshara” zone.
    Magic elf city zone.
    Emerald dream-ish/nightmare-ish zone.
    Tauren zone.

    Now take all of that and nobody would believe we’d be going to Argus in the final patch to fight two titans and imprison Sargeras.
    (Infact, before the announcement I remember people saying that we WOULDN’T be going to Argus as a patch zone/dealing with Sargeras and that would be a new expansion itself)

    We don’t know what the fissure is, for example. It could contain Xal’atath’s old god body for example.
    We don’t know what Khaz Algar or Avaloren even really are. It could contain anything.
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    what exactly makes Dwarves an underground race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Well when I say void expansion I don't mean it in a sense of going into the eye of the voidstorm. Just that it will involve void-aligned stuff. Doesn't even need to be directly Old Gods. It can be Naga, Twilight Hammer, or maybe the Nightmare escaping into the world.
    Yea, I also expect to see a lot of void tie-ins even if the expansion isn't explicitly themed around the void. I just want them to build on the Sarkareth visuals, the "whisper in the dark" stuff, more than the eyeball tentacle insanity stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    At this point its rather clear that 11.0 will not be a void expansion of any sort. More likely its going to be taking place on a new continent surrounded by storms, alongside Avaloren and Khaz Algar playing secondary roles.
    The lead villain and his possible allies are all void related. We don't need a tenticle filled, beat you over the head with the purple zone for it to be a void expansion. Dragonflight was a void expansion. 11.0 will continue that threat, because it has not been neutralized. It's so simple, but you just want to keep arguing because your word is fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post



    Yeah therein lies the problem.
    Yep. And they've made that mistake a lot. Either because they felt there was no way to properly fix what was already in place and so it was worth the retcon, or they didn't realise how badly they were breaking things. I would bet it's a mixture, but that they really felt they struck gold with the Jailer thing. I'm personally a fan of what they tried to do with the Jailer in terms of him being the link between the Legion and undeath, and being involved with Sylvanas ever since her jump off Icecrown. But the execution was lacking and it as all revealed too quickly with not enough build up or hinting. We knew something was wrong with the death realm all through BFA, but nothing about that hinted at an ancient plot that influenced so much. They should have narrowed the Jailer's influence on the biggest events and seeded his existence much earlier before using him.


    Seriously though the payoff of seeing him activate the Forge of Souls, a previously completely unexplained machine, and using it to drill into Azeroth to funnel her soul to fuel his plan, was really cool. But he should have been linked to such a plot earlier than Shadowlands.
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    About the guard armors... we have updated Dwarf, Forsaken, Night Elf, and Blood Elf.

    These races are the ones getting the most updated assets in the files, without buildings for dwarves/forsaken (dwarves may get new buildings through Khaz Algar). But maybe these are our first 4 races to get updated cities?

    Amirdrassil might come with a new city, and we're getting a lot of SMC stuff including two new boats. Maybe they are going to try and get people out of SW and Org and update other cities instead? Or it's these ones + Storm and Org?

    Draenei, Goblins, Tauren, Trolls and Gnomes will probably get screwed at this first pass unless they wait for everyone to get a city at the same time. Worgen are MIA but I think they will get Gilneas in a quest at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Izalla View Post
    Aman'thul's view of Eonar planting that tree was probably the equivalent of them having a cheery bonfire next to a wooden daycare for puppies and babies and kittens during a dry season. Like we get it, it's pretty and exciting but absolutely not worth the risk so what the hell are you doing you lunatic put that out right now.

    (not saying I agree with him, though world trees have had lots of problems over the years, just that that's his perspective)
    Yeah but then she started crying and stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    This is not reading between the lines, this is paranoia.

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    Sorry but this is such a stretch Mr. Fantastic would be jealous. You entered Gear Fifth and now it's no longer just stretching, it's just fantasy.
    C'mon Terran said I'm over the "moon" that's clearly Elune reference

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    By the way, you can go play with the new boomkin model on the PTR. Some of the animations really feel like an Ogre (especially the running around).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    By the way, you can go play with the new boomkin model on the PTR. Some of the animations really feel like an Ogre (especially the running around).
    Did any of the ogres npc, maybe on exiles reach got some animation updates?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Safio View Post
    C'mon Terran said I'm over the "moon" that's clearly Elune reference
    But you used the word Terran, therefor it's 100% true that Starcraft will be in WoW soon. Why?

    1.) You say Terran
    2.) HOTS has Warcraft + Starcraft content, already linking them
    3.) There are mechanics in starcraft that are not yet in WoW

    (before people start shouting, this is obviously a joke)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Yeah but then she started crying and stuff.
    Aman'thul should be aware of the old gods entanglement in the world, and in the underground areas, so that could be why he got ferocious about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    At this point its rather clear that 11.0 will not be a void expansion of any sort. More likely its going to be taking place on a new continent surrounded by storms, alongside Avaloren and Khaz Algar playing secondary roles.
    Aye, I remember when Pandaria played a secondary role to those mists.

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    They should just go ahead and replace Aman'Thul with John Bercow. "Order! Order!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izalla View Post
    Aman'thul's view of Eonar planting that tree was probably the equivalent of them having a cheery bonfire next to a wooden daycare for puppies and babies and kittens during a dry season. Like we get it, it's pretty and exciting but absolutely not worth the risk so what the hell are you doing you lunatic put that out right now.

    (not saying I agree with him, though world trees have had lots of problems over the years, just that that's his perspective)
    That's a better way of framing it, I think. While present precedent suggests to me they'll frame it otherwise, it would be pretty good if it were framed that way.
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