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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    Why would Order and Life come after Light and Void? Sargeras is literally pissed scared of the Void, and the Titans have a history with them. Also, Life would be awesome for some Void Plotlines.

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    Also yeah, more self contained stories are nice, but it's also part of the reason why I think Void being 13.0 is way too fast. One at a time is just fine.

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    WoW doesn't need to rush these expansions.
    I made a typo in my post - I meant to say that Blizzard has confirmed that starting with Dragonflight the stories are NO LONGER are going to be self-contained. They are moving away from that is what I meant. Apologies, that was written in mobile and my fingers slipped. I am on desktop now.

    Anyways, you still haven't explained why you think Void 13.0 or 14.0 is too soon.

    With that being said I think what we need to do is break up how the WoW Dev team looks at their previous expansions and expands on the lore moving forward and plans it out. Every long-term project has a long term schedule that is already decided in advanced for the most part, unless something crazy happens. I am pretty positive they have at least the next 2-3 expansions planned out. Anyways, let's break down the WoW's expansions and how they got where they are now.

    First expansion was TBC which was 2.0 and it looked like this -

    2.0 The Burning Crusaade - It started 2 plotlines, the Draenor and Burning Legion
    3.0 Wrath of the Lich King - It started 2 plotlines, the Old Gods and the Scourge/Death
    4.0 Cataclysm - It Started 2 plotlines, the Dragons and Elemental Lords
    5.0 Mists of Pandaria - It Started 2 plotlines, the faction war and the Sha

    Ok good we now have the foundation - re-read the above carefully if you need clarification. Now let's look at th next set of expansions

    6.0 Warlords of Draenor was split from the Burning Crusade from 2.0. The Draenor expansion also introduced the Light plotline.
    7.0 Legion was LSO split 2.0 which makes it a direct sequel to The Burning Crusade. However, this was also the expansion where the Void Lords started showing up another new plotline alongside the Light.

    so it went like this 2.0 TBC > 6.0/7.0 Draenor and Legion + 2 New Plotlines, 1 from each expansion.

    8.0 BFA was split from 3.0 and was about the Old Gods with N'Zoth being the final boss
    9.0 SL was split from 3.0 and was a direct sequel to Lich King which closed up the death arc

    Alright let's gready ready for the big drum reveal moment....ready?

    You guessed it.

    10.0 Dragonflight is a direct sequel to 4.0 Cataclysm re-awakening the Dragonflights and helping them gain their power back, but it's also opening up a new thing, the Titan plotline

    11.0 Will be about the elementals which also stem from 4.0 Cataclysm and then the Dragonflight/Elemental arc will be finished and put to rest.

    So what's 12.0?? You guessed it, follows the MoP plotline of the Faction War. No clue if there will be a new content here or how this will play out, but a faction war plotline will continue if this plot logic is correct. Yes, I know we have allinace/horde cross-play now but that is a quality of life change for the ease of conveince and people to play with their friends. This won't relate to the plot in any shape or form. Perhaps it could be a faction "war" where alliance/horde are actually helping each other instead, but that's just speculation/guessing.

    13.0 will follow the Sha plotline most likely because the Sha were quite important in MoP.

    So where does that leave 14.0, 15.0 and 16.0 and beyond?

    If I had to guess 14.0 will be the Void Lords/Old Gods. Old Gods are always involved in everything trying to cause chaos and pit everyone against each other. Truth be told, they are involved in many of the previous expansions, especially Dragonflight. I mean there is a quest that takes you to the old azeroth where the Black Empire is in power via time-travel. A lot of expansions do small hints and build up other plotlines at a smaller pace, but certan expansions actually make a it the main focus. In Dragonflight's case the big focus are the Elementals/Titans/Dragons and there is a lot of Old Gods stuff too, but its more behind the curtains.

    15.0 could potentially lead up to a Light War and 16 I have no clue, the last thing I can think of are the Titans.

    Anyways....those are predictions. I hope painting this picture out a bit bigger shed a bit more light of where we at with the plotlines. There is 100% a pattern too it and I hope this breaks it down enough for ya. Let me know what you all think!

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    What story would the elementals even have to offer anyways? It would have to be more then just them roaming the place
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    What story would the elementals even have to offer anyways? It would have to be more then just them roaming the place
    A revamp of the world perhaps and introducing modern systems to original Azeroth zones such as WQs, updated visuals/models and so on.

    Propabaly after all the draginflight stuff, the elementals awoken and start causing havoc and we need to clean it up is my assumption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Potentially real leak: an ingame cutscene WIP with a model that looks suspiciously like pre-corruption Neltharion at Thaldrazzus

    https://twitter.com/obviouslyzelris/...jciwGgWk__YddA
    She made it. Very good edit, though. Think I kind of figured it as soon as I saw it because it looked too similar to the generic Black Dragon model for Dragonflight and didn't have enough in the way of unique features beyond those needed to identify it as Deathwing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    She made it. Very good edit, though. Think I kind of figured it as soon as I saw it because it looked too similar to the generic Black Dragon model for Dragonflight and didn't have enough in the way of unique features beyond those needed to identify it as Deathwing.
    It would be nice if the dragons of each flight would look different though. They all look the same, which is a major flaw in visual representation as the flights should have different characteristics in size and looks. Them all using the same models is a pretty lazy aspect of WoW. Especially in combination with Dragon Riding, where Blizzard could have used these models again for content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slowpoke is a Gamer View Post
    Explaining how in an 85 dungeon we were able to beat a boss from a 70 (140) raid.
    What kind of argument is that? Explain how 90 lvl rabbit in Pandaria is more powerful than Lich King.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reinhart11 View Post
    It would be nice if the dragons of each flight would look different though. They all look the same, which is a major flaw in visual representation as the flights should have different characteristics in size and looks. Them all using the same models is a pretty lazy aspect of WoW. Especially in combination with Dragon Riding, where Blizzard could have used these models again for content.
    It is a waste that the proto-dragons get a lot more mileage for NPC usage while all the dragons look the same. Sabellian and all his retinue are clones and outside of one green wyvern-drake with a horrible mohawk on his balding visage Chromie is the only to use the new drake appearance. And with Chromie it's also a waste because her gnome form is the best animated in-game model they've ever produced for reasons I'm not sure I want to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    It is a waste that the proto-dragons get a lot more mileage for NPC usage while all the dragons look the same. Sabellian and all his retinue are clones and outside of one green wyvern-drake with a horrible mohawk on his balding visage Chromie is the only to use the new drake appearance. And with Chromie it's also a waste because her gnome form is the best animated in-game model they've ever produced for reasons I'm not sure I want to know.
    Majordomo Vulpera also uses the drake model, though I'm not sure why. I also liked that character and was sad they disappeared for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Majordomo Vulpera also uses the drake model, though I'm not sure why. I also liked that character and was sad they disappeared for now.
    There are more "dragons" using the mount models, I remember the blue ones from the Azure Archives storyline that come to the Dragon Isles with Senegos (love that he's a troll visage form, I didn't know that before). But those are not prominent examples. I think they didn't do this because some of the other models are outright ugly-looking and proto-drakes seem to be the "baddies" so that would create confusion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    It is a waste that the proto-dragons get a lot more mileage for NPC usage while all the dragons look the same. Sabellian and all his retinue are clones and outside of one green wyvern-drake with a horrible mohawk on his balding visage Chromie is the only to use the new drake appearance. And with Chromie it's also a waste because her gnome form is the best animated in-game model they've ever produced for reasons I'm not sure I want to know.
    Proto-dragons are definitely the big winners in terms of customization i feel. The Velocidrake and Wilderwyrm are both quite anemic in choice, and the Highland Drake could definitely do with more unique options, the larger wings that Kalecgos and Malygos have would have been nice.

    Hopefully we get more options over time. Both more distinct options, and more colorations. Albino and chromatic drake colorations would be nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Proto-dragons are definitely the big winners in terms of customization i feel. The Velocidrake and Wilderwyrm are both quite anemic in choice, and the Highland Drake could definitely do with more unique options, the larger wings that Kalecgos and Malygos have would have been nice.

    Hopefully we get more options over time. Both more distinct options, and more colorations. Albino and chromatic drake colorations would be nice.
    We already know we will get atleast the white options as they have items - we just don't know from where. My guess would be a reward for the campaign that's currently hidden. Could see them adding more colours down the line, but I would rather get whole new drake mounts instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    We already know we will get atleast the white options as they have items - we just don't know from where. My guess would be a reward for the campaign that's currently hidden. Could see them adding more colours down the line, but I would rather get whole new drake mounts instead.
    Maybe it's a reward for getting all colorations for all dragons? Seems about right in terms of reward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Maybe it's a reward for getting all colorations for all dragons? Seems about right in terms of reward.
    There is also head armor for each dragon, I assume it is just patchbait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    There is also head armor for each dragon, I assume it is just patchbait.
    Well the armor is the final dragon reward from Valdrakken, suppose getting the helm might be the same for 10.1.
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    In Argent Dawn at least almost everyone is using the drake. So I guess people here like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    In Argent Dawn at least almost everyone is using the drake. So I guess people here like it.
    Well it is the only one that looks like the sentient dragons we know, and its not too massive compared to the Proto-dragons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    In Argent Dawn at least almost everyone is using the drake. So I guess people here like it.
    I confirm, playing on AD and using the drake hehe...

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    Theory: Raszageth's defeat is a trick. In beating her, we unleash her 3 "siblings".

    Follow up: Iridikron will be the last Incarnate we face. Maybe towards the end of the expansion, or before. Who knows.

    Probability: In 10.1 we return to the Forbidden Reach. Going there right now means certain death!

    The fifth dragonriding mount that looks very serpentine: Likely a 10.1 feature.

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    Y’all seen these pictures? (SPOILERS)

    https://twitter.com/mrgmyt/status/16...Cx6grdkVNKyTMA

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    I don't think there are any spoilers. I mean it's right there on the encounter journal.

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