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    If you are waiting for the action to start yes, it is a slog. FFXIV's story is a lot more about the characters. Party because there are no novels that you need to buy to tell you what's going on. The two games have very different styles that wouldn't work in each other's game.

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    The entire FFXIV discussion seems WILDLY off topic.

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    Well anyway, new week started with hopefully some new info.

    i vote for blizzcon goodies reveal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheMizAwesome View Post
    Well anyway, new week started with hopefully some new info.

    i vote for blizzcon goodies reveal.
    Hopefully. Cause until then it is just circlejerk arguments about revamps, tinkers, housing, the usual suspects.

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    This week we are gonna get:

    Blizzcon Rewards and 10.2 release date.

    And that's gonna be it until Blizzcon. It's going to be a boring month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Hopefully. Cause until then it is just circlejerk arguments about revamps, tinkers, housing, the usual suspects.
    Expecting something from Blizzcon goodies to reveal anything about the next expansion seems pointless at this point. Odds are it will be the Blizzard elemental and the Ysera murloc.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Expecting something from Blizzcon goodies to reveal anything about the next expansion seems pointless at this point. Odds are it will be the Blizzard elemental and the Ysera murloc.
    Perfectly themed after 10.2 (Vyranoth & Ysera)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Expecting something from Blizzcon goodies to reveal anything about the next expansion seems pointless at this point. Odds are it will be the Blizzard elemental and the Ysera murloc.
    Don't be such a sourdough. We may never know when an unexpected data mine or a fake-looking expansion concept hits us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    This week we are gonna get:

    Blizzcon Rewards and 10.2 release date.

    And that's gonna be it until Blizzcon. It's going to be a boring month.
    Eh, should only be two or so weeks in drought. Surely the Blizzcon rewards either this week or next. Then, unless they've actually managed to sort their shit out for the first time ever (lol - no) we're bound to get a real leak of some sort mixed in amongst the torrent of fakes in the final week.

    All we can hope for in the middle is more PTR additions; either intentional like the recent lore books or we get real lucky and something shows up accidentally in the style of the iron horde banner. But chances are we should all go do something productive for that period, discussions are bound to get really cyclical...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh View Post
    Eh, should only be two or so weeks in drought. Surely the Blizzcon rewards either this week or next. Then, unless they've actually managed to sort their shit out for the first time ever (lol - no) we're bound to get a real leak of some sort mixed in amongst the torrent of fakes.
    Oh for sure. Can somebody who is not stuck in an office look up when the legit leaks hit the speculation threads for each expansion compared to BlizzCon? That could give us a pretty good guestimate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Don't be such a sourdough. We may never know when an unexpected data mine or a fake-looking expansion concept hits us.
    We shall see. Though I will refrain from getting too excited until Blizzcon proper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh View Post
    Eh, should only be two or so weeks in drought. Surely the Blizzcon rewards either this week or next. Then, unless they've actually managed to sort their shit out for the first time ever (lol - no) we're bound to get a real leak of some sort mixed in amongst the torrent of fakes.

    All we can hope for in the middle is more PTR additions; either intentional like the recent lore books or we get real lucky and something shows up accidentally in the style of the iron horde banner. But chances are we should all go do something productive for that period, discussions are bound to get really cyclical...
    The real leaks should begin once Blizzcon proper starts being organized at the convention center and non-Blizzcon staff has a chance to get their hands on press kits, or listen to the rehearsals.

    Hopefully we get some good leaks. The Shadowlands one with Bolvar is probably my favorite so far, because it told us so much, and yet so little we didnt already know.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    This week we are gonna get:

    Blizzcon Rewards and 10.2 release date.

    And that's gonna be it until Blizzcon. It's going to be a boring month.
    We truly live in tik-tok times. Most exciting month outside expac launch and people call it boring cause there won't be official news for 2 weeks xD.

    Reminds me of people panicking last year that expac is coming mid-2023 cause there wasn't pre-order or Alpha right after DF reveal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    We shall see. Though I will refrain from getting too excited until Blizzcon proper.

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    The real leaks should begin once Blizzcon proper starts being organized at the convention center and non-Blizzcon staff has a chance to get their hands on press kits, or listen to the rehearsals.

    Hopefully we get some good leaks. The Shadowlands one with Bolvar is probably my favorite so far, because it told us so much, and yet so little we didnt already know.
    I don't even know if that is a good call anymore. I got so excited for WoD (and then cancelled my preorder when they cancelled Karabor as a capital and pretended they never said it would happen). I got so excited for BfA. I even was somewhat excited for Torghast as a potential solo advancement path then seeing how happy testers were about it for Alpha only for both the reward system and the content to change completely by launch. It's just hard to trust them anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Oh for sure. Can somebody who is not stuck in an office look up when the legit leaks hit the speculation threads for each expansion compared to BlizzCon? That could give us a pretty good guestimate.
    Super quick dump of recent ones that come to mind and I could find proof for dates:

    Shadowlands unveiled at Blizzcon 2019, starting 1 Nov: Truely cracked URL wizardry revealed Bolvar on the merch store about 28 Oct. Bastion image was being spread around various discord servers (and here) a few days prior.
    Dragonflight unveiled on stream 19 April: Pre-purchases in source code noticed around 2 April, certificates registered 29 March. Can't be bothered trawling further for the photo of the promo material or the Scaleface posts, but I vaguely remember it being effectively week of.

    The DF crt.sh find was actually a lot earlier than I thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post

    Hopefully we get some good leaks. The Shadowlands one with Bolvar is probably my favorite so far, because it told us so much, and yet so little we didnt already know.
    I remember so many were convinced it is not real. because the color is wrong or some shit...I loved that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I don't even know if that is a good call anymore. I got so excited for WoD (and then cancelled my preorder when they cancelled Karabor as a capital and pretended they never said it would happen). I got so excited for BfA. I even was somewhat excited for Torghast as a potential solo advancement path then seeing how happy testers were about it for Alpha only for both the reward system and the content to change completely by launch. It's just hard to trust them anymore.
    It's still baffling how much they messed up Torghast lol. It's like someone saw that it had the potential to be a real pillar of the game and they were fearing people wouldn't want to play m+/raids anymore so they completely wracked it but also made it mandatory at the same time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Myrrh View Post
    Super quick dump of recent ones that come to mind and I could find proof for dates:

    Shadowlands unveiled at Blizzcon 2019, starting 1 Nov: Truely cracked URL wizardry revealed Bolvar on the merch store about 28 Oct. Bastion image was being spread around various discord servers (and here) a few days prior.
    Dragonflight unveiled on stream 19 April: Pre-purchases in source code noticed around 2 April, certificates registered 29 March. Can't be bothered trawling further for the photo of the promo material or the Scaleface posts, but I vaguely remember it being effectively week of.

    The DF crt.sh find was actually a lot earlier than I thought.
    That is very interesting, thank you. I seem to recall that the legit BfA leak was very early but it was just a few lines of stuff inide a longer thread and we only knew it was legit in hindsight.
    Remember the good old days when a trademark kickstarted the discussions?
    And how both the expansion name and the eventual true leak was so goddamn out of your mind stupid that nobody believed WoD until Blizzard showed a promo vid were some guy accidentally stood in front of a flag during an interview and the WoD title card was on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    I remember so many were convinced it is not real. because the color is wrong or some shit...I loved that.
    Samesies, similar vibes to WoD. I was so convinced that SoL leak was utter BS, because of course timetravelling orc shananigans couldn't be real. Healthy dose of humble pie there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    It's still baffling how much they messed up Torghast lol. It's like someone saw that it had the potential to be a real pillar of the game and they were feared people wouldn't want to play m+/raids anymore so they completely wracked it but also made it mandatory at the same time.
    I don't want to bring up Deep Dungeons, but....yeah. Deep Dungeons.

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    Time for a tinfoil theory (mostly just spitballing).

    This old concept art of the Tempest Keep was made by one of the guys who was in Sons of the Storm, along with Metzen and Didier, Peter Lee.



    (If the image doesn't load, you can just see it on the Tempest Keep Wowpedia page near the bottom.)

    It is the Naaru dimensional ship that the Naaru used to aid Outland in TBC. One of its satellites was the Exodar.

    Colour scheme is pretty similar to the unused gryphon textures. It has tempest in the name. It was made by the Naaru. It even has what looks like dwarven runes on it, in the image, lol.

    Avaloren is a Naaru stronghold, inhabited by those serving the Light instead of Order.

    Naaru lore will be expanded in 11.0, so they're not just yellow wind chimes, but diverse creatures of Light and Shadow, and their pure form (both combined) is sort of ghostly green and surrounded by chaotic energies.

    Naaru are long lost brethren according to Xal'atath. So maybe she represents pure Void while they're more dynamic, seeking to bring balance. Maybe Naaru are the remnants left behind when creatures such as Old God, Void Lords, and some Light-aligned counterpart dies.

    Could have something to do with Elune as well. Maybe the White Lady and Blue Child symbolise this balance on Azeroth. Harmony. Similar to the Great Cycle with Elune and the Winter Queen that we learned about in Shadowlands. Plays into that whole theme with the Embrace of the two moons, as well.

    So there could be a clash of Light and Shadow after all, but not just stereotypical "Naaru and Draenei vs. Old Gods" or whatever, but more nuanced. And the Elements might be involved, too, if there's some type of Balanced Naaru on Azeroth (or its moons).

    Explains those ecco domes as well.

    Okay tinfoil over.
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