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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Alright, now, how can we use these bundled items as clues about the next expansion...

    We have the Iron Skyreaver, a chimaera mount ridden by the Iron Horde. Could this point to Garrosh returning?

    Then we have several demon- or fel-themed additions, including Mischief, Reins of the Illidari Felstalker, and Nibbles. These are fairly obviously foreshadowing Illidan's return in 11.0.

    And finally, the Warforged Nightmare, whose flavor text reads "a nightmarish steed of hardened steel and vengeful spirits, this companion will follow you to the depths of the Firelands and back without complaint." The mention of Firelands brings us to another obvious conclusion: Ragnaros.

    So, based on all this, it looks like 11.0 will deal with Garrosh, Illidan, and Ragnaros. I don't know what kind of story that's going to be, but I'm here for it.
    Or they really just thought: These look nightmareish.

  2. #30202
    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Alright, now, how can we use these bundled items as clues about the next expansion...

    We have the Iron Skyreaver, a chimaera mount ridden by the Iron Horde. Could this point to Garrosh returning?
    If i would go by fanfiction then i would point to old grommash returning.

  3. #30203
    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    i read it. these people are so clueless and so proud of their bad work
    That was my takeaway too. There seems to be no acknowledgement of parts of the community not enjoying aspects of their storytelling. Their response to the "too much humor" question is the best example of this; instead of speaking how the playerbase's criticism of the thematics can be addressed, they just talk about "well, we realized this expansion would be fun to make, and if someone had a crazy idea, we let them roll with it!". I love that people enjoyed making this expansion, but the lack of accountability to reel back and shift focus away from the constant lighthearted themes really worries me.

    It brings to mind a comment Bellular has made a few times in his videos recently, that some of the staff is hesitant to accept Metzen's return and would instead hope to continue the narratives in their own ways. There may be some really disjointed plotlines/character traits in the next expansion (though that is the purest of pessimism speaking).

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    We did have that big dragon bundle in the store not too long before Dragonflight was announced. To be fair, though, almost everyone was expecting a dragon expansion by that point, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    If it has Garrosh and Illidan it is a competition of who is the manliest.
    Maybe we'll finally get a Mak'gora where no one cheats.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZyntosAran View Post
    Or they really just thought: These look nightmareish.
    No... No, it can't be. It's clues. It's all clues! It's always been clues!


  6. #30206
    Man this music is great:

    https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1714325517552255250

    But is it just me, or does it sound an awful lot like... Frostfire Ridge or something?

  7. #30207
    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Alright, now, how can we use these bundled items as clues about the next expansion...

    We have the Iron Skyreaver, a chimaera mount ridden by the Iron Horde. Could this point to Garrosh returning?

    Then we have several demon- or fel-themed additions, including Mischief, Reins of the Illidari Felstalker, and Nibbles. These are fairly obviously foreshadowing Illidan's return in 11.0.

    And finally, the Warforged Nightmare, whose flavor text reads "a nightmarish steed of hardened steel and vengeful spirits, this companion will follow you to the depths of the Firelands and back without complaint." The mention of Firelands brings us to another obvious conclusion: Ragnaros.

    So, based on all this, it looks like 11.0 will deal with Garrosh, Illidan, and Ragnaros. I don't know what kind of story that's going to be, but I'm here for it.
    Eh, as a former South Seas/Colonizing Avaloren expansion hopeful, I have to point out this is pretty reminiscent of the Pirate bundle that also pointed a lot of people in that direction. I think that they're just bundling store assets that match themes around the holidays to get sales. I'm not too sure we can see a relation to 11.0 here.

  8. #30208
    Quote Originally Posted by Leowyld View Post
    We did have that big dragon bundle in the store not too long before Dragonflight was announced. To be fair, though, almost everyone was expecting a dragon expansion by that point, anyway.
    11 months is "not too long"? It was 11 months.
    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    So, based on all this, it looks like 11.0 will deal with Garrosh, Illidan, and Ragnaros. I don't know what kind of story that's going to be, but I'm here for it.
    We've been over this. You can't use bundles to predict expansion concepts. The only reason people try is because there was a dragon bundle before Dragonflight was announced but that was 11 months beforehand. There was also fire, moon & dog themed bundles during Shadowlands. This is nothing.

  9. #30209
    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    That was my takeaway too. There seems to be no acknowledgement of parts of the community not enjoying aspects of their storytelling. Their response to the "too much humor" question is the best example of this; instead of speaking how the playerbase's criticism of the thematics can be addressed, they just talk about "well, we realized this expansion would be fun to make, and if someone had a crazy idea, we let them roll with it!". I love that people enjoyed making this expansion, but the lack of accountability to reel back and shift focus away from the constant lighthearted themes really worries me.

    It brings to mind a comment Bellular has made a few times in his videos recently, that some of the staff is hesitant to accept Metzen's return and would instead hope to continue the narratives in their own ways. There may be some really disjointed plotlines/character traits in the next expansion (though that is the purest of pessimism speaking).
    yeah that answer made me upset. it shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what's the warcraft vibe and how humor works in wow. it also tells us that they don't care about wow and its setting. they just do w/e they want as long as they like it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    We've been over this. You can't use bundles to predict expansion concepts. The only reason people try is because there was a dragon bundle before Dragonflight was announced but that was 11 months beforehand. There was also fire, moon & dog themed bundles during Shadowlands. This is nothing.
    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    Eh, as a former South Seas/Colonizing Avaloren expansion hopeful, I have to point out this is pretty reminiscent of the Pirate bundle that also pointed a lot of people in that direction. I think that they're just bundling store assets that match themes around the holidays to get sales. I'm not too sure we can see a relation to 11.0 here.
    I may not have been completely 100% serious about my extremely thorough analysis about Garrosh returning.

    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Man this music is great:

    https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1714325517552255250

    But is it just me, or does it sound an awful lot like... Frostfire Ridge or something?
    Looks pretty neat. I didn't think I'd check back into DF after 10.1, but I'll definitely be at least doing the campaign for 10.2 just to see what Emerald Dream is like. Still low key wish that it had been a bit more emerald though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    It really did not cause anything, this has been planned for a while.
    that's good to hear! I hate if leaks cause stuff to be announced sooner takes away from the excitement. I wonder then if this was announced early because of the tight panel discussions this year? Maybe we won't have a hearthstone panel showing off the new cards.

  12. #30212
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Unless their opening ceremony is already packed. They got to keep it under 45 minutes somehow.

    They 100% would not preview the Early 2024 expansion two weeks after announcing the Late 2023 expansion. Especially not when that expansion is rendering half the standard cards obsolete. They might show a 2024 roadmap, but they didn't do that for 2023. They're likely just going to show the animated trailer.

    I hate that I want a cowboy expansion for wow now.
    Hearthstone kinda shows why 2 year expansions for WoW might not be the best for varied themes. 1 year expansions might have been ideal for content variety if there was only a way to make the expansions actually worthwhile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leowyld View Post
    We did have that big dragon bundle in the store not too long before Dragonflight was announced. To be fair, though, almost everyone was expecting a dragon expansion by that point, anyway.
    I can't really see what bundle they would push before Blizzcon that would actually hint at a future expansion at this point. Given the hidgepodge of themes present my only guess would be a world revamp, but if it's the backside of Azeroth then what mounts and pets could they possibly give?
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  13. #30213
    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Alright, now, how can we use these bundled items as clues about the next expansion...

    We have the Iron Skyreaver, a chimaera mount ridden by the Iron Horde. Could this point to Garrosh returning?

    Then we have several demon- or fel-themed additions, including Mischief, Reins of the Illidari Felstalker, and Nibbles. These are fairly obviously foreshadowing Illidan's return in 11.0.

    And finally, the Warforged Nightmare, whose flavor text reads "a nightmarish steed of hardened steel and vengeful spirits, this companion will follow you to the depths of the Firelands and back without complaint." The mention of Firelands brings us to another obvious conclusion: Ragnaros.

    So, based on all this, it looks like 11.0 will deal with Garrosh, Illidan, and Ragnaros. I don't know what kind of story that's going to be, but I'm here for it.
    To be fair, not to ruin the fun of course but I wouldn't look much into it, as to me it doesn't point in any logical direction. In fact, all of these mounts are "horrific" one way or another, and stay in Halloween's theme pretty well, so I guess it's just that - Halloween Bundle.

    Of course - we already have some "hints" of what we could expect - and none of the items from the bundle correlates with the algarian stuff.

    But who knows, maybe this year Blizzard went 5D chess and all what we have datamined until now is just red-herring bullshit, and we will get something out of the box

  14. #30214
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Man this music is great:

    https://twitter.com/Warcraft/status/1714325517552255250

    But is it just me, or does it sound an awful lot like... Frostfire Ridge or something?
    It evokes the same feeling of grandeur at least. I wonder where this track will be played, seems a bit too much for generic wandering.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Unless their opening ceremony is already packed. They got to keep it under 45 minutes somehow.
    I am sorry but where did you grab that number - 2019 opening ceremony was almost 2 hours long.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so0w...5nIGNlcmVtb255

    2018 was 1hour and 30mins
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxdqdYsAKGE

    They almost never do small opening ceremonies. So they can pack in a lot

  16. #30216
    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    I may not have been completely 100% serious about my extremely thorough analysis about Garrosh returning.
    Consider it setting the record straight because for every joke on here there'll be at least 3 people asking "is this real?"
    Quote Originally Posted by flan1337 View Post
    I am sorry but where did you grab that number - 2019 opening ceremony was almost 2 hours long.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so0w...5nIGNlcmVtb255

    2018 was 1hour and 30mins
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxdqdYsAKGE

    They almost never do small opening ceremonies. So they can pack in a lot
    Then I guess the standard is 90 minutes then because the ceremony only starts 30 minutes into that 2019 video
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Why don't you just google the Jonothan Staats interview?



    Except we have multiple maps from early WoW that show Undermine. Here's one from alpha that clearly shows Undermine as a continent.

    Except now we know that Undermine is part of Kezan. That very small island that the goblin starting zone is on. Which we know playing through the goblin starting zone because we can find the tunnel to it.

    So changes of them changing that and making Undermine a continent is slim to none. At most it’d be a patch zone.
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    what exactly makes Dwarves an underground race?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Alright, now, how can we use these bundled items as clues about the next expansion...

    We have the Iron Skyreaver, a chimaera mount ridden by the Iron Horde. Could this point to Garrosh returning?

    Then we have several demon- or fel-themed additions, including Mischief, Reins of the Illidari Felstalker, and Nibbles. These are fairly obviously foreshadowing Illidan's return in 11.0.

    And finally, the Warforged Nightmare, whose flavor text reads "a nightmarish steed of hardened steel and vengeful spirits, this companion will follow you to the depths of the Firelands and back without complaint." The mention of Firelands brings us to another obvious conclusion: Ragnaros.

    So, based on all this, it looks like 11.0 will deal with Garrosh, Illidan, and Ragnaros. I don't know what kind of story that's going to be, but I'm here for it.
    Garrosh return but not the Garrosh you expect.
    Garrosh from AU Draenor. And Yrel. And her Army.
    Illidan is coming back as well.
    And some elemental stuff.
    Light expansion with major part of it happening at Avaloren.
    Let's go baby!

  19. #30219
    Do people expect devs to apologize over something entirely subjective like quality of writing? They aren't supposed to acknowledge supposed weakness, and if they say that the writing is poor they are also making a jab at the people who DO like the current writing.

    If anything them allowing the question means they are aware of the complaint and may address it properly ingame. But they aren't going to go "you're right" and apologize because that's not how western corporate culture works

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Except now we know that Undermine is part of Kezan. That very small island that the goblin starting zone is on. Which we know playing through the goblin starting zone because we can find the tunnel to it.

    So changes of them changing that and making Undermine a continent is slim to none. At most it’d be a patch zone.
    Undermine as a city is mostly underground as the name suggests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harbour View Post
    Garrosh return but not the Garrosh you expect.
    Garrosh from AU Draenor. And Yrel. And her Army.
    Illidan is coming back as well.
    And some elemental stuff.
    Light expansion with major part of it happening at Avaloren.
    Let's go baby!
    AU Grommash return and helps us kick Draenei ass.

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