1. #31221
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Troll Wars
    Troll vs Aqir wars (could easily be three separate scenarios)
    Winterskorn War
    Northgate Rebellion
    Zandalari Invasion (of Pandaria)
    War of the Satyr
    War of the Spider
    Liberation of Kezan
    I quite like your idea.

    Enhanced with a superb reward system, including rare ancient transmog pieces styled at that theme or reasons to give is older npcs armor options. Think about, Odyns spear or the dark ranger bow, just some ideas. Rare mobs that can spawn or other sources, maybe even rare puzzels.Reasons to go back and repeat etc.

    Same as how I believe a glyph system could be enhanced. With its own tab in collections. Unique glyphs that enhances a certain style or skin. Spec spefific glyphs as spell effects or spelleffect that we all want to have, but are npc only. That would be my ideal situation for spelleffects. Its already in place, simply forgotten.
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  2. #31222
    Quote Originally Posted by Nathanyel View Post
    Considering how much naval lingo was adopted for space travel, it's actually surprising "shore" or similar terms weren't associated with landing on a different planetary body.
    Specific usage of the word shores is actually a common trope in some golden age sci fi and space opera broadly.

  3. #31223
    Quote Originally Posted by Samin View Post
    What if Elune is actually imprisoned on the moon?
    I think this is an actual possibility. It would explain why she was out of the loop and somewhat disconnected from the Winter Queen. It could explain why her powers and reach are amplified by events like the Embrace or an eclipse.

    I think it's plausible that her jailer was Aman'thul. If Ra'den and Odyn take after him, their flaws might be his flaws. Forcing his idea of 'Order' on other Titans and other Pantheons might not be a stretch.

  4. #31224
    Quote Originally Posted by FossilFree View Post
    Replace "time travel" with "going to the afterlife while alive" and the rest of the statement applies equally well to Shadowlands.
    Strongly agree on this. In some ways they made that visit meaningful and interesting (loved what they did with Garrosh) but overall...

    Like another of my criticisms of Shadowlands is that it's a grab bag of overpowered instant solutions to any problem, like with the cleansing of Undercity using highly specialized magic from Shadowlands we got in an instant instead of getting all the special attention Night Elves got and drawing it out in a long series of quests and cinematics.

    It doesn't look like we closed off these quick and easy connections to SL so this will always be a strong possibility when we face any problem.

    It also broadly cheapens the idea of death because you can just hop right over in an easily accessible portal and find whomever almost instantly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samin View Post
    What if Elune is actually imprisoned on the moon?
    Actually now obsessed with this idea.

  5. #31225
    If there is no revamp at all next expansion, even just some cities, I hope they explain why there are things like a Stormwind armor rack and a Silvermoon lamp post being updated. Just admit it will take a few more years.

  6. #31226
    Mark my words: Avaloren is 12.0

    Remember all the hints we were getting for Dragon Isles? In BfA? The same is happening now, it's seeding in things for two expansions from now.
    What's happening next is something more akin to Shadowlands, probably some crap like Zereth Ordo, or something else to do with the Titans and Order. Or maybe even the realms of life. It will be something more cosmic, and we will return to Avaloren after that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalontas View Post
    Mark my words: Avaloren is 12.0

    Remember all the hints we were getting for Dragon Isles? In BfA? The same is happening now, it's seeding in things for two expansions from now.
    What's happening next is something more akin to Shadowlands, probably some crap like Zereth Ordo, or something else to do with the Titans and Order. Or maybe even the realms of life. It will be something more cosmic, and we will return to Avaloren after that.
    While that is true, it's also hard to avoid the whole "Algarian Stormrider" achievement.
    The only other option for 11.0 is a world revamp, and that is hardly anything that you can assume works like any other expansion.

    There is of course the option of Khaz Algar being beneath Un'goro or whatnot, but then I would be afraid that we are heading for another Cataclysm, where the lovingly updated zones are ignored in favor of new ones.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalontas View Post
    Mark my words: Avaloren is 12.0

    Remember all the hints we were getting for Dragon Isles? In BfA? The same is happening now, it's seeding in things for two expansions from now.
    What's happening next is something more akin to Shadowlands, probably some crap like Zereth Ordo, or something else to do with the Titans and Order. Or maybe even the realms of life. It will be something more cosmic, and we will return to Avaloren after that.
    I do sort of hope they're careful with this. I was talking about this the other day with someone--if the new trend is just putting the new zone references into the previous expansion and immediately releasing that as the expansion following, it will get stale really quick. Nothing will have time to percolate in the imagination. Excitement for new content works best when the implications build up and people emotionally feel reasons to be excited about it.

  9. #31229
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalontas View Post
    Mark my words: Avaloren is 12.0

    Remember all the hints we were getting for Dragon Isles? In BfA? The same is happening now, it's seeding in things for two expansions from now.
    What's happening next is something more akin to Shadowlands, probably some crap like Zereth Ordo, or something else to do with the Titans and Order. Or maybe even the realms of life. It will be something more cosmic, and we will return to Avaloren after that.
    Except the Algarian Stormrider would be a really random heroic edition reward if we don't go there and that has basically only started being seeded with the DF prepatch too.

    Could still be that it's not connected to Avaloren and they save that for later, but not based on "it's too soon". Either way we will definitely stay on Azeroth.

    Unles Khaz Algar is on the Moon. That would definitely put them at a great distance from our dwarven ancestors and also definitely far enough to not be affected by the curse of flesh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashrana View Post
    So, what would be your reaction, if you found out, that come cata release first patch, blizzard were planning to kill everyone by sending a bear through the mail?

  10. #31230
    Yes, Khaz Algar doesn't have to be on Avaloren.

  11. #31231
    Quote Originally Posted by Samin View Post
    Except the Algarian Stormrider would be a really random heroic edition reward if we don't go there and that has basically only started being seeded with the DF prepatch too.

    Could still be that it's not connected to Avaloren and they save that for later, but not based on "it's too soon". Either way we will definitely stay on Azeroth.

    Unles Khaz Algar is on the Moon.
    The other option I have considered is that Khaz Algar is a patch zone to be revealed later, and whatever Dwarves are there travel to us instead.
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  12. #31232
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalontas View Post
    Mark my words: Avaloren is 12.0

    Remember all the hints we were getting for Dragon Isles? In BfA? The same is happening now, it's seeding in things for two expansions from now.
    What's happening next is something more akin to Shadowlands, probably some crap like Zereth Ordo, or something else to do with the Titans and Order. Or maybe even the realms of life. It will be something more cosmic, and we will return to Avaloren after that.
    Going cosmic or just to another plane like the Lifelands so soon after SL would be... Very polemic, let us leave it at that.

    But I agree that The Other Side of Azeroth and Avaloren are things that they are seeding for the future. At least, that is my hope.

    11.0 hopefully would be a partial revamp, as it is highly unlikely that they would do it all at once. If we do not get the revamp now I guess that they will leave It for the 25th anniversary, in which case I would be sad

    There are plenty of options for 11.0 and the little joy that I am getting from this leak season is that probably every single leak has been bullshit. Could you imagine getting to the reveal without a proper leak? Would be awesome.
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  13. #31233
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    I lowkey want Algarian Rider leak to be fake. Was it even checked out by other people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harbour View Post
    I lowkey want Algarian Rider leak to be fake. Was it even checked out by other people?
    Hard to imagine it's fake given it was taken from the game itself, not to mention the entire list was filled with other acheivements that have also similarly come out, like all the Warcraft Rumble toy achievements.

    It's not impossible for Blizzard to make a fake name for the mount to throw off players, but that would be an exceptionally involved ruse given how the devs usually treat leaks.
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  15. #31235
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    The other option I have considered is that Khaz Algar is a patch zone to be revealed later, and whatever Dwarves are there travel to us instead.
    I doubt this will happen but I wouldn't be shocked if the expansion is the revamp and then yeah we get Khaz Algar as a patch zone that works as a bridge to Avaloren and 12.0. Alternatively Khaz Algar could just be hidden somewhere on EK/Kalimdor. I know in game we can see everything but in game doesnt represent canon and there's still a lot of unexplored parts of Kalim/EK iirc.

  16. #31236
    Quote Originally Posted by Harbour View Post
    I lowkey want Algarian Rider leak to be fake. Was it even checked out by other people?
    Yes. Your best bet is that it's an intentional misdirect or maybe because it was kind of found in an unexpected way (would be weird to put a misdirect there) a placeholder text that is going to be changed.

    edit: Although if I remember, they even datamined translations (which confirmed that Algarian means "of Algar") which really kills much chance that it's anything but the real deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashrana View Post
    So, what would be your reaction, if you found out, that come cata release first patch, blizzard were planning to kill everyone by sending a bear through the mail?

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    Even if we don't go to Avaloren, we will almost definitely go the Khaz Algar, a place that was only mentioned first in Dragonflight. So, going to a place first mentioned in Dragonflight is looking like it will happen, despite objections.

    And no, the Algarian Stormrider thing isn't a planted fake. They wouldn't put fake leaks in place because the risk is too high. What if they fake leaked something people really like and then they revealed it's not coming? No, it's genuine. I remember some people thought the Dragonflight title was a red herring, too. These things don't happen that way.

    Edit P.S.: And I, for one, don't think that namedrops accrue automatic interest or lore because of time passed. Yes, we just found out about Avaloren and Khaz Algar, but they already have more lore than "established" places like Tel'Abim.
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  18. #31238
    Khaz Algar makes a lot of sense as a zone in a revamp because we have seen little to no revamped Dwarf assets besides the new ram (which hasn't been ported to the dwarf mounts) and a few tanks. They may use a new Dwarf city as an "excuse" in development to make new dwarf assets that would be used for both HD Ironforge and Khaz Algar. And probably HD Alterac Valley as well!

  19. #31239
    Quote Originally Posted by Harbour View Post
    I lowkey want Algarian Rider leak to be fake. Was it even checked out by other people?
    Unlikely to be fake given that the list included a bunch of other things (the mini figures for example) that weren't even known yet on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Khaz Algar makes a lot of sense as a zone in a revamp because we have seen little to no revamped Dwarf assets besides the new ram (which hasn't been ported to the dwarf mounts) and a few tanks. They may use a new Dwarf city as an "excuse" in development to make new dwarf assets that would be used for both HD Ironforge and Khaz Algar. And probably HD Alterac Valley as well!
    Well one theory is that we will find Khaz Algar once Silithus caves in.

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