1. #32221
    Quote Originally Posted by matijwow View Post
    Broxigar cut Sargeras with an axe made of wood.
    Broxigar cut Sargeras with one of the single strongest weapons we've ever seen in the lore, up to and including Frostmourn.

    The Axe of Cenarius just flat out ignores Old God corruption, Nightmare mojo, etc. It's bonkers powerful.

    And it gave Sargeras something that makes a papercut look serious.

  2. #32222
    Quote Originally Posted by matijwow View Post
    Broxigar cut Sargeras with an axe made of wood.
    Broxigar gave Sargeras a paper cut, and was immediatly burned to ash one second later.

    Anduin almost killed Kyrestia and then walked away because the Jailer didnt actually care enough to finish her, he just wanted the sigil.

    Not really comparable.

    But as others have already pointed out, this discussion is pretty much pointless. We could argue back and forth on this for pages.
    The real answer is, whoever Blizz currently wants to hype up for whatever reason will be strong, and when the next xpac comes, potentially nerfed again. With various reaons like "was powered up by MacGuffin XY" or just straight up retcons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catastrophy349 View Post
    To my MMO-C family: what would you consider a "dealbreaker(s)" to turn you completely off from caring/playing 11.0?
    As long as we don't get any more Zereth/First Ones nonsense, I think I'll be able to stomach almost anything.

  4. #32224
    Quote Originally Posted by Catastrophy349 View Post
    I guess this does bring up an interesting point, though. To my MMO-C family: what would you consider a "dealbreaker(s)" to turn you completely off from caring/playing 11.0?
    Can't really think of anything.

    Maybe the Forsaken taking the forefront and the foremost heroic race of Azeroth

  5. #32225
    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    another expansion where the main content is only raid/m+/arena. another expansion where variety of content is an afterthought. dragonflight was basically a raidlog expansion with nothing fun to do outside of the main trio of endgame activities
    This is such a weird take considering DF is the first time since like Pet Battles that we've gotten anything new to do that isn't just funneling towards instanced content.

  6. #32226
    Quote Originally Posted by Selorian View Post
    This is every expansion.
    no lol. even shadowland had better variety of content. dragonflight felt like the devs were scared of making people play the game. even the world quests are on a biweekly rotation this expansion

  7. #32227
    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    It's possible it was a very early concept, but if so, damn... everything except the name of the expansion was changed lol.
    Definitely a lot different, but I noticed these interesting parallels:

    -4 major zones around a central transit hub
    -The north one may have a military/death knight theme (compare to Maldraxxus)
    -Xiros looks to be some kind of forest zone with a subzone called "Elunian Meadows" (compare to Ardenweald)
    -There's a fifth, smaller zone hovering off the western coast (compare to the Maw)
    -The sea encompassing the whole and flowing between zones is similar to the In-Between

    A lot of the names on the map that overlap could have easily predictable based on threads we had, but none of the previous expansion continents were arranged in the way this map was, and it happened to have a similar layout to the actual Shadowlands map.

  8. #32228
    Quote Originally Posted by Go Woke View Post
    WoD was bad because it was a complete self insert nolstsgia trip that was completely devoid of what people actually liked about wow. People complain about the writing now, but it at least tries to be both reverent but also evolutionary of what WoW is, rather than "rule of cooling" a million other players and other devs before realizing it's all orcs.

    See also the warcraft movie.
    Name one thing about currently storytelling in WoW that is reverent or evolutionary

    Go watch the Sepulcher of the First ones cinematic with what they did to Arthas and tell me a single iota of reverance is present there, or just the flat out retcon of most established lore

    To dragonflight's credit, it's not really breaking previous lore or trashing classic characters *cough* malfurion *cough* but fuck, is it dull - we're very likely getting the last patch next month, does anyone feel anywhere near how they felt when Argus was released? I sure don't

  9. #32229
    Quote Originally Posted by Selorian View Post
    TBC (and Wrath) shitting on the lore was not a fringe opinion back then, it's just that back then it wasn't cool to hate on WoW/Blizzard like it is today and social media was not a big thing.

    People complaining about today's lore are people that grew up in that era so there's rose-tinted goggles going on, because back then people were too young to see all the flaws. Now there's 10, 15 years of baggage and people are upset their favorite game growing up changed. Those people couldn't exist back then because the game was simply not that old.

    It's why I've said before that people yearning for Metzen to "save WoW" (from their pov) shouldn't get their hopes up. The cosmic stuff is his baby. Danuser didn't pull it out of his ass in BFA. It was always there, building up in the background since TBC at the latest.
    They said repeatedly at the time, gameplay trumps lore every time. Story was backseat and every expansion had to be crazy when compared to the last. Space goats! Lich king! We destroyed the world! Entire new culture (takes a breath)! Time travel help orc daddy! Panic button fan service! OK let's chill! People didn't like chill let's give them something different! Ooooo panic fan dragons!

    I think he is the one that said they never expected wow to succeed, or last this long, and thats amazing.

    Personally there's only so much they can do by trying to blow everything out the water each expac. BFA and WoD both suffered by trying to exceed expectations with new features that are the rest of the dev time

  10. #32230
    Quote Originally Posted by Zebir95 View Post
    no lol. even shadowland had better variety of content. dragonflight felt like the devs were scared of making people play the game. even the world quests are on a biweekly rotation this expansion
    I don't think this is true.

    Not exactly. But I also think that Dragonflight got older than normal because it's zones draw heavily from Wrath of the Lich King in a lot of places.

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    Quote Originally Posted by matijwow View Post
    Definitely a lot different, but I noticed these interesting parallels:

    -4 major zones around a central transit hub
    -The north one may have a military/death knight theme (compare to Maldraxxus)
    -Xiros looks to be some kind of forest zone with a subzone called "Elunian Meadows" (compare to Ardenweald)
    -There's a fifth, smaller zone hovering off the western coast (compare to the Maw)
    -The sea encompassing the whole and flowing between zones is similar to the In-Between

    A lot of the names on the map that overlap could have easily predictable based on threads we had, but none of the previous expansion continents were arranged in the way this map was, and it happened to have a similar layout to the actual Shadowlands map.
    There's also a mention of "Blood..." something in Morbara, which could point to it being a precursor for Revendreth (cus of all the vampire stuff). A bit of a stretch, but still.

    If it's 100% a hoax, it's a bit odd that the creator never came forward to claim their 15 minutes of fame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Catastrophy349 View Post
    I guess this does bring up an interesting point, though. To my MMO-C family: what would you consider a "dealbreaker(s)" to turn you completely off from caring/playing 11.0?
    Any cosmic realm or going off planet. I’m interested in Azeroth and Azeroth alone.
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  13. #32233
    Quote Originally Posted by Baraden View Post
    Name one thing about currently storytelling in WoW that is reverent or evolutionary

    Go watch the Sepulcher of the First ones cinematic with what they did to Arthas and tell me a single iota of reverance is present there, or just the flat out retcon of most established lore

    To dragonflight's credit, it's not really breaking previous lore or trashing classic characters *cough* malfurion *cough* but fuck, is it dull - we're very likely getting the last patch next month, does anyone feel anywhere near how they felt when Argus was released? I sure don't
    They addressed him being in the shadowlands without trotting him out as a raid boss. He's gone, he's in the past. And the game needs to stop living in the shadow of him. He's not a hero, he is a murderer, while tragic, irredeemable. That story is done. The jailer stuff idk it seems dumb but still that would have had Alex involved.

  14. #32234
    I’d prefer if the next expansion offered a few new specs instead of a new class. Give us an Earth-centric Shaman tank spec and a ranged DPS necromancer spec for DK

  15. #32235
    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    It's possible it was a very early concept, but if so, damn... everything except the name of the expansion was changed lol.
    Which really makes it much more likely that they just happened to use the same name. Shadowlands were a, somewhat obscure but established concept and name. This is clearly what someone thought the Shadowlands would look like but conflating it with Shadow/Void themes which given the name is an easy "mistake" to make.
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  16. #32236
    Quote Originally Posted by Telogrus View Post
    I’d prefer if the next expansion offered a few new specs instead of a new class. Give us an Earth-centric Shaman tank spec and a ranged DPS necromancer spec for DK
    This... Please for the love of christ this.

  17. #32237
    Quote Originally Posted by Telogrus View Post
    I’d prefer if the next expansion offered a few new specs instead of a new class. Give us an Earth-centric Shaman tank spec and a ranged DPS necromancer spec for DK
    I really like the sound of this tbh, sadly its all pipe dreams for us.

  18. #32238
    There should have been a Green Dragon form for Druids this patch.

  19. #32239
    Quote Originally Posted by Kiria View Post
    I really like the sound of this tbh, sadly its all pipe dreams for us.
    But why though? Wouldn’t designing a few new specs for already existing classes be easier than coming up with an entirely new class?

  20. #32240
    Quote Originally Posted by Go Woke View Post
    They addressed him being in the shadowlands without trotting him out as a raid boss. He's gone, he's in the past. And the game needs to stop living in the shadow of him. He's not a hero, he is a murderer, while tragic, irredeemable. That story is done. The jailer stuff idk it seems dumb but still that would have had Alex involved.
    Yeah I think one of the biggest issues with WoW's lore was its heavy reliance on old characters and the old lore. I think DF is moving that direction. Seeing characters in other ways. Baine finally having a spine and not just the nice one, Alexstraza actually being a leader, Wrathion moving on from being aspect, characters moving past their trauma like Jaina, and hopefully Tyrande as well. The story needs to move forward, characters need to have new motivations based on whats going on.

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