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    @Demonly and I did some snooping around and found that the tree used in one of the screenshots already exists as an asset in-game.



    It's called 10can_tree_burnt_b01_off.m2 and it's found in the Waking Shores.





    My question is, has Blizzard reused this many assets in the past when going into what's supposed to be a brand new expansion?

    Combining this finding with @Marlamin's earlier analysis, it seems like there's an unusually high amount of assets from Dragonflight. It almost makes it seem like Avaloren (if real) should be 10.3, not 11.0.

  2. #36262
    Quote Originally Posted by Draedarr View Post
    For some artists it's not so hard to work around a screenshot or model and give it a sense of 3D assets.
    I mean no offense, but the amount of reaching this takes is more effort than it takes to post some screenshot they got.

  3. #36263
    Quote Originally Posted by Draedarr View Post
    For some artists it's not so hard to work around a screenshot or model and give it a sense of 3D assets.
    Right, I'm just saying that the chances of it being legit is higher by then using an existing model when all the other models in the leak are new.

  4. #36264
    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    @Demonly and I did some snooping around and found that the tree used in one of the screenshots already exists as an asset in-game.



    It's called 10can_tree_burnt_b01_off.m2 and it's found in the Waking Shores.





    My question is, has Blizzard reused this many assets in the past when going into what's supposed to be a brand new expansion?

    Combining this finding with @Marlamin's earlier analysis, it seems like there's an unusually high amount of assets from Dragonflight. It almost makes it seem like Avaloren (if real) should be 10.3, not 11.0.
    What if its the trailer for 10.3? Hmmmm.
    Also: That is some mad detective work. Awesome.
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  5. #36265
    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Combining this finding with @Marlamin's earlier analysis, it seems like there's an unusually high amount of assets from Dragonflight. It almost makes it seem like Avaloren (if real) should be 10.3, not 11.0.
    Highly unlikely, but wow would that be a killer surprise announcement of a 10.3 with Avaloren.

  6. #36266
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Honestly, the more I look at it the more u am questioning he second and fourth picture. Specifically the models there that don't look like they are actually in the area, but rather pasted on with some shadow effects to hide it.

    Maybe I'm just overthinking it though.
    It reads as that way to me, too. It looks a lot like they were slapped there with WMV or a similar program.
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  7. #36267
    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    What if its the trailer for 10.3? Hmmmm
    If they do a surprise 10.3 reveal on top of an expansion reveal I'd be beyond hyped but I think it's more likely they are doing what they always do, reusing newer assets when able. If expansions were completely original from the ground up you'd get wow expac less frequently.

    This is still possibly fake, but if the OP faked this they did a crazy good job.

  8. #36268
    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    @Demonly and I did some snooping around and found that the tree used in one of the screenshots already exists as an asset in-game.



    It's called 10can_tree_burnt_b01_off.m2 and it's found in the Waking Shores.





    My question is, has Blizzard reused this many assets in the past when going into what's supposed to be a brand new expansion?

    Combining this finding with @Marlamin's earlier analysis, it seems like there's an unusually high amount of assets from Dragonflight. It almost makes it seem like Avaloren (if real) should be 10.3, not 11.0.
    It wouldn't be too crazy to think Avaloren is the DF Timeless Isle, with Uldaz as a final dungeon before the 11.0 pre-patch.

  9. #36269
    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    @Demonly and I did some snooping around and found that the tree used in one of the screenshots already exists as an asset in-game.



    It's called 10can_tree_burnt_b01_off.m2 and it's found in the Waking Shores.





    My question is, has Blizzard reused this many assets in the past when going into what's supposed to be a brand new expansion?

    Combining this finding with @Marlamin's earlier analysis, it seems like there's an unusually high amount of assets from Dragonflight. It almost makes it seem like Avaloren (if real) should be 10.3, not 11.0.
    That’s what some people here already said. This entire leak feels more like a part of Dragonflight / Dragonflight afterthought than it does feel like a new expansion.
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  10. #36270
    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Does it matter?
    Blizzard can create any lore they want to justify Harpie involvement.

    Maybe they have always been there.
    Maybe they migrated over before Avaloren was isolated.
    Maybe they managed to fly over/teleport over with the help of whatever mcguffin Blizzard wants to use.

    Just this expansion we got introduced to an ancient centaur tribe that predates our known centaur.
    Not much different to them.
    Within the story that was presented in the Emerald Dream and legends of the green dragon flying over, on top of Aviana, the progenitor of the Harpies, saying you can't leave the dream, yes.

    I.E. I think the implications we have is that Kalimdor/ known world is where the Emerald Dream is formed.

    Dragon Isles and Centaur, at least, is part of that.

    Creating a new continent, divorcing it from everything because it was sealed off, adding it in with the implications of heretics, then populating it with a race charged by the keepers (because who else would charge them), a new Earthen Variant, and wild God spawn linked to the Emerald Dream kind of just feels..

    Less than what I would expect.

  11. #36271
    Quote Originally Posted by pacotaco View Post
    It wouldn't be too crazy to think Avaloren is the DF Timeless Isle, with Uldaz as a final dungeon before the 11.0 pre-patch.
    4 zones for a patch -> prepatch into a world revamp, would be insane. Would blow my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    Highly unlikely, but wow would that be a killer surprise announcement of a 10.3 with Avaloren.
    Yeah, it's probably major copium/hopium, but imagine if they showed off the trailer for Avaloren and it ended with the patch logo for 10.3 instead of the expansion logo for 11.0. Going from believing there's no 10.3 at all to getting the biggest x.3 patch in WoW's history would be quite the surprise to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferlion View Post
    I'm still confused on how Harpies are in Avaloren
    Harpies have a connection to G'hanir through Aviana. If this whole world tree roots business takes place in Avaloren, a harpy presence is a believable story beat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ferlion View Post
    I'm still confused on how Harpies are in Avaloren
    To be fair we know from the books that the Nightsquall has made trips to Avaloren and back. Who knows what kind of crewmembers were on his ship? Or how much sex they had with the natives?
    It would be nice if harpies on other continents were at least as diverse as Tauren are, but this isn't particularly hard to handwave.

  15. #36275
    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    –snip–

    Combining this finding with @Marlamin's earlier analysis, it seems like there's an unusually high amount of assets from Dragonflight. It almost makes it seem like Avaloren (if real) should be 10.3, not 11.0.
    good find~

    or maybe an 11.0 with an aggressively fast release date?
    or greed. i hope it's not greed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paula Deen View Post
    I mean no offense, but the amount of reaching this takes is more effort than it takes to post some screenshot they got.
    No offense taken Paula
    It's just that there are some folks that do it just for fun and work fast on their drawings, they could pull it out in mere hours (Even myself if i had more free time and confidence just to practice i would do somethinglike this, who knows if until 12.0 i'm a little more confident )
    Also there is folks that creates Priv servers with new models/zones (or changing existing ones), could had entered on the wagon to troll some people

    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    Right, I'm just saying that the chances of it being legit is higher by then using an existing model when all the other models in the leak are new.
    Could be for sure.

  17. #36277
    But again, if we’re getting 10.3, there’s a 0% chance that the next expansion will come out in 2024. And to not have a new expansion for the 20 year anniversary just feels wrong.
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  18. #36278
    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    So at least a few reskins of existing models going on which (even when ignoring the amount of work that would go into making a custom environment like this with proper retail fog/lighting) is a lot of work to do for a leak. Not impossible, but definitely a good amount of work. ]
    While I have been wrong with this kind of assumption before, I personally think it's fairly believable they really just put that much effort into deceiving people. The weird way in which everything looks superimposed over the background is very strange, but I do have to wonder why they wouldn't actually just spawn them into the environment if they were already on a server where they could clearly import retextures (e.g. the butterflies and trees). I think the sheer bulk of reused, but lightly altered, assets to be a bit suspicious regardless.
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  19. #36279
    Quote Originally Posted by Ferlion View Post
    Within the story that was presented in the Emerald Dream and legends of the green dragon flying over, on top of Aviana, the progenitor of the Harpies, saying you can't leave the dream, yes.

    I.E. I think the implications we have is that Kalimdor/ known world is where the Emerald Dream is formed.

    Dragon Isles and Centaur, at least, is part of that.

    Creating a new continent, divorcing it from everything because it was sealed off, adding it in with the implications of heretics, then populating it with a race charged by the keepers (because who else would charge them), a new Earthen Variant, and wild God spawn linked to the Emerald Dream kind of just feels..

    Less than what I would expect.
    What about the green dragon that crossed the sea and formed a new flight, what was supposedly seen in the Dream years later?

  20. #36280
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    But again, if we’re getting 10.3, there’s a 0% chance that the next expansion will come out in 2024. And to not have a new expansion for the 20 year anniversary just feels wrong.
    I thought people were already certain there'd be no 10.3 other than maybe a Fated patch?

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