1. #36881
    Quote Originally Posted by PotHockets View Post
    Also Dwarves are one of the few races that have always been pretty universally loved.
    Yeah, because they're the most consistent race while still trying to be interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Teriz has a strong point.
    And one that doesn't require pages and pages of arguing, I would say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    Well said.

    I currently believe this is the real deal as well. And although people here bring up good arguments against it, it does come eerily close to those Dracthyr debunk attempts.

    Remember when we were comparing dinosaur textures from MoP and BfA to the Dracthyr skin textures to prove that they were edits? Yeah...
    Except this isn’t anywhere close to the Dracthyr situation. If we look at the Dragonflight leak, it was pretty rock solid, with the Alexstraza art and the logo, and the domain popping up soon after. Game. Set. Match.

    On the other hand, people still denied that the Dracthyr were real even after Blizzard officially announced them. So yeah, the irrational hate towards Dracthyr is nothing like what’s being leveled at these leaks in this thread.

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    I don't understand all of the "crazy people" freaking out over this "leak?" It's actually nuts.

  5. #36885
    Quote Originally Posted by Azalar View Post
    Every K'aresh denial is a dagger pressed against my cosmic heart
    The dream of a K'aresh expansion with playable Ethereals lives on. I refuse to accept that it won't happen eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Except this isn’t anywhere close to the Dracthyr situation. If we look at the Dragonflight leak, it was pretty rock solid, with the Alexstraza art and the logo, and the domain popping up soon after. Game. Set. Match.

    On the other hand, people still denied that the Dracthyr were real even after Blizzard officially announced them. So yeah, the irrational hate towards Dracthyr is nothing like what’s being leveled at these leaks in this thread.
    I remember the crosswords puzzle with dracthyr, that was fun

  7. #36887
    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Teriz has a strong point.
    It's less strong when you realize that the other half of his argument is turning around and pretending the playerbase would be ecstatic about a goblin continent.

  8. #36888
    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Teriz has a strong point.
    Yeah idk about that. I think there is a decently sizeable portion of the playerbase itching to kill Odyn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Teriz has a strong point.
    Indeed. I'm not going full doomer over this potentially being real as I think I'll still get some enjoyment out of Avaloren, but that said... I would have preferred a setting that has existed in the lore for longer than a year.

    Like, why can't we go to Tel'Abim? They could retcon it from being a small wacky banana island to being the Hozen homeland filled with tons of cool lore and a unique aesthetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PotHockets View Post
    Yeah idk about that. I think there is a decently sizeable portion of the playerbase itching to kill Odyn.
    If going against the Titans involves killing Odyn, then hell yeah, Iridikron has no enough space in the cosmos to hide from me pretending to join him.

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    Also for anyone who isn't familiar with Tomkek and wants to see the making of a fan project that perfectly matches the game, check this out:



    He remakes lots of mounts, weapons, and even armour sets.
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  12. #36892
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Perhaps, but I have a sinking suspicion that there won’t be too many players enthused about going to yet another mysterious, primordial continent for the second expansion in a row. Especially a mysterious primordial continent with no major character to hook us to that location. At least with the dragon isles we had Alex, Nozdurmu, Chromie, Kalecgos, and Wrathion.

    What do we have here? Odyn? Who cares about Odyn?
    Strange take considering most people seem to have disliked 4/5 of those characters contributions to DF, and the stars of the show so to speak of DF are 3 primal incarnates that didn't exist at all before this expansion.

    Here you possibly have Elune, Odyn, Eonar, and presumably Iridikron + Xal'Atath. Do I think a location needs to be tied to old lore characters? No. Pandaria was great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SloidVoid View Post
    Based on the leak, it's not immediately attention grabbing. I'd really need to know what features would be added to change my mind on it being a skip for me.
    And now we wait...

    8 Days

  14. #36894
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    It's less strong when you realize that the other half of his argument is turning around and pretending the playerbase would be ecstatic about a goblin continent.
    I honestly wouldn't mind that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiria View Post
    Zaralek caverns has been universally panned by the playerbase in DF, Blizz wouldnt be smart making the mistake of saying "oh hay remember Zaralek, Here's more of that shit".
    Zaralek was panned for gameplay reasons. It had nothing to do with the xone being underground.

  16. #36896
    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Teriz has a strong point.
    Deliberately playing ignorant here, but does he? He was citing Thrall on the Banner as a major pointer towards his involvement in some form, so long as it fit the Undermine narrative or whatever the fuck he's been on about between the different stages of this post since then. No major character?

    Here's the thing. If it's not an old "major character", people are going to be sighing, like as if new characters can't be major players. What if the main bad, presumably given current circumstances would be Iridikron. He'd be a major player all things considered, but the counterpoints IMMEDIATELY would be something along the lines of "blah blah writing", "blah blah not very established, so not major".

    Yet he literally is. What if it IS Thrall. What if it's Magni, or Brann or any of the brothers. There's so little to go on. It's insane how much copium people huff to warrant shitting on the presumably new thing because they still haven't gotten Barrens 3.0 so they can then go on and complain ad homimen about how Barrens 3.0 looks exactly like what they said they wanted it to be. An update of the Barrens. It'd be "Oh no, Botani in the Barrens, literally just copying Gorgrond now for the revamp KEKW".

  17. #36897
    Quote Originally Posted by PotHockets View Post
    On a totally unrelated note one thing I would LOOOOOOVE to see for the anniversary is an updated version of that cinematic. That would be pretty awesome.
    IF the leak is true, i could picture the same shot with an algarian earthen in place of the dwarf and one of those new fancy leopards in place of the bear

  18. #36898
    Quote Originally Posted by Fahrad Wagner View Post
    Teriz has a strong point.
    I agree as well. I mean if you look at this alleged leak, what does it entail?

    Primordial continent with Titan influence, and four zones which vaguely represent each of the elements. I can not believe Blizzard would do essentially the same theme twice in a row.

    The images basically leave out all the good bits about Avaloren: a completely new kind of dwarf (not just "hi, I'm grey now") wielding storm hammers atop his gryphon, a massive and raging storm covering the continent, and an underground cavern where Elun'Ahir's roots delve deep, or Xal'atath and the Void.

    Why is the dwarf snow themed? I don't see how that clicks with the fissure of Sector AR-938 at all. If anything, it would be Life themed, or Storm themed.

    Why is there a desert? Do the Titans require deserts in their world-shaping? Do world trees create deserts nearby?

    Why are there stone dinosaurs? Surely, the battle pet version of the triceratops was bought from the "Titan Utopia" faction, Ulderoth and all that. Why would Avaloren be a Titan Utopia, if Odyn thinks it's full of heretics, and its earthen got transformed into something other than titan-forged? If anything, it sounds like Titan Hell. No order, no control.
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    I think the images *might* be real, but I don't think the Storms of Avaloren text is. Keep in mind with Dragonflight that a lot of people were posting an expansion breakdown text that ended up being completely wrong around the time the legit artwork of Alexstrasza leaked. One can be true, but not the other. I am excited we finally have something juicy to speculate on though, regardless!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Izalla View Post
    Also for anyone who isn't familiar with Tomkek and wants to see the making of a fan project that perfectly matches the game, check this out:

    --snip--

    He remakes lots of mounts, weapons, and even armour sets.
    Love Tomkek's work. I don't know of anyone else that's able to match Warcraft's aesthetic as well as he does.

    If he wanted to, this is definitely something he could pull off for the laughs.

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