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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    TBF, we got the Tangled Dreamweaver in Dragonflight, and we don't need it to get to the Emerald Dream in 10.2.
    Not the same situation at all. The Dragon Expansion's Heroic edition mount was still a dragon. Not to mention there are Tangled Dreamweavers in the Dream area, and they did use Animawyrms to traverse the Shadowlands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northelim View Post
    Assuming the leak is fake then I'd have to agree with you. It's weird for blizzard to make a whole special seamless underground system for Zaralek Caverns and then never use it again.
    The Zaralek tech doesn’t need to be limited to underground.

    I could see them using it to fly (storm riding?) or sail (like Nightsquall) through storms west of Kalimdor & to utilize the Zaralek tech like that.

    I saw some posters previously have the idea that it could be a “Kessel run” type thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Holdodlig View Post
    One thing that makes me reconsider the truth of this leak is the fact we haven't seen any female dwarf model yet. With Blizzard's desire of inclusivity, I highly doubt they'd make another 1 gender race unless it have a neutral body, which is not the case here as you can easily compare those dwarves with the one we already have.
    Body type, not female. Get with the times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Algarstorms View Post
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    I think the “story” behind the “storm riding races” for preorder would be to get us trained or used to flying through storms to prepare us to go to Avaloren/Khaz Algar.

    If the idea of the “Kessel run”-esque flying through storms to get to Ava/KA is what they’re doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Not the same situation at all. The Dragon Expansion's Heroic edition mount was still a dragon. Not to mention there are Tangled Dreamweavers in the Dream area, and they did use Animawyrms to traverse the Shadowlands.
    And the Algarian Stormrider could be an elemental gryphon that allows us (along with other mounts) to transverse the deep places of Azeroth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    I think the “story” behind the “storm riding races” for preorder would be to get us trained or used to flying through storms to prepare us to go to Avaloren/Khaz Algar.

    If the idea of the “Kessel run”-esque flying through storms to get to Ava/KA is what they’re doing.
    That "storm" could be the Maelstrom that leads to Deepholme. That would explain Thrall on the Key art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    That "storm" could be the Maelstrom that leads to Deepholme. That would explain Thrall on the Key art.
    I still think we're looking too far into Thrall on the key art. I really think that's a huge Metzen/iconic character thing, less an expansion hint.

  8. #38028
    Quote Originally Posted by JMitchy96 View Post
    How so? What does this prove other than that the same person created the two leaks? I really hope this one isn't legit. That... thing, looks like it's got an Ogre's head slapped on Rexxar's body, with a Dwarf's beard glued onto its face. It looks ridiculous.
    I remember people saying the same about Dracthyr...
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    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    I still think we're looking too far into Thrall on the key art. I really think that's a huge Metzen/iconic character thing, less an expansion hint.
    Could be both frankly, since the next expansion is rumored to be elemental based. Thrall's presence could very well be a double-meaning; Metzen's back, and Thrall's back in the narrative.

    I mean, if Iridikron does something bad with the elements, would anyone object to meeting Thrall at the Maelstrom at the start of the next expansion and him telling you what the new mission is going to be?

    That sounds like quintessential 20th anniversary of WoW right there.

  10. #38030
    Quote Originally Posted by Moth Preacher View Post
    I think I have an overdose by elemental things in general
    Tbh I kinda agree but I'm contributing that to the devs pushing it instead of expanding dragon lore.

    Like instead of the incarnates outside of Raz
    There's a cult
    Chromatus
    Gnolls
    Djaradin

  11. #38031
    To the "four zones is not enough" crowd, why does number of zones matter and how is it an indication of effort at all? Shouldn't the size of said zones matter more?

    Using the Broken isles as an example, what it the inherent difference between having those 5 1/2 zones VS getting a new continent with 3, 2, even ONE large zones the same overall size as the broken isles? Assuming the landscape inside is diverse enough to be interesting?

    Do the arbitrary world map borders mean that much?

  12. #38032
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Could be both frankly, since the next expansion is rumored to be elemental based.
    I don't want to totally shut down, but let's keep in mind that these elemental rumors come from unconfirmed leaks. Whether you're referring to the Chinese predictor with some correct calls you often site, or any amount of leaks, the only confirmed item of information we have about 11.0 is the "Algarian Stormrider". We can associate this with Earthen, but at that rate you'dl have to say this expansion is rumored to be titanic as much as it is elemental.

    Let's just stick with what we know for now, which is so drastically little compared to previous situations. In its own, that's really exciting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    The Zaralek tech doesn’t need to be limited to underground.

    I could see them using it to fly (storm riding?) or sail (like Nightsquall) through storms west of Kalimdor & to utilize the Zaralek tech like that.

    I saw some posters previously have the idea that it could be a “Kessel run” type thing.
    i am going to sound super dumb here but what is a "kessel"? Is that some form of air travel? Explain please, english is not my first language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northelim View Post
    i am going to sound super dumb here but what is a "kessel"? Is that some form of air travel? Explain please, english is not my first language.
    It's a Star Wars reference - the Kessel Run is essentially getting from point A to point B in the least amount of distance, because the Kessel Run is filled with very, very dangerous space phenomena and there's dozens of different routes.

  15. #38035
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    I disagree.

    I dunno why people have jumped on this "it'll be Titan themed" kick. The only thing we know about Khaz Aglar is that it was someplace without Titan stuff (a contingent of Earthen had to be sent there and it was an unnamed sector with an anomaly the watchers didn't know about, that still remains a minor footnote to t hem). If we conflate it with Alvaloren, then we know that whatever group of heretics from the Titan's forces set up shop there (presumably those same Earthen) have outright rejected the Titan stuff. If Erinethria's story is also the same place, we know additionally that Tyr saw the entire region as a lost cause to be avoided.


    So there's no reason to assume we're going to show up wherever it is and get Titan themes. We'll show up and find Earthen who are basically just stone dwarves, and potentially some other titan-forged who have rejected the Titans to the point of hostility. But these could be anything. That basically just describes the Mogu and Tol'vir, except here we know that they aren't sitting on top of important Titan facilities. So less Titan-themed than Pandaria.

    Likewise, I don't see any reason to assume that dragons will be prominent again. We have a single green dragon matron potentially there. That doesn't mean she's some huge story element. It could mean she's like the single brood of blue dragons in the Broken Isles. Part of of one zone's questing and show up a little in end game campaign stuff and that's it.
    My assumption of it is that the Titan storylines from DF would be continuing on into Avaloren, and so the fact that this place has prominently distanced themselves from the Titans will invoke their presence in the storyline as a result. Whether that involves Tyr, or Odyn, or whatever, I don't believe they'd make a point of separating this place from the Titans without a contrasting Titan presence somewhere, either as outright antagonists or still heavily involved in the story. Not to mention, if the leak is true then the fourth zone looks to have Titan-esque architecture, and an adult version of the robot dinosaur pet that's associated with Order/the Titans.

    I'm assuming some level of involvement from Iridikron, as it'd be incredibly strange to set him up and then promptly have him vanish for several years with only a small appearance in his debut expansion. That ties into something I mentioned earlier, where it'd be bizarre if Iridikron is one of, if not the major threat in 11.0, but they didn't have the Aspects follow us to deal with this personal loose end. I was thinking about that more than the green dragon book from 10.2.

    It could be something completely different, but I'd find it peculiar if they were to drop these plot threads that have been building up over the course of the expansion, with an anti-Titan dragon antagonist peacing out of the expansion in a similar way to Sylvanas dipping in 8.2.5. I don't say that as a diehard Avaloren believer, but to me the leak looks in line with what I'd expect from that path.

  16. #38036
    Quote Originally Posted by Algarstorms View Post
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    mate, you're ridiculous just stop

  17. #38037
    Quote Originally Posted by Local Ardenweald Faerie View Post
    It's a Star Wars reference - the Kessel Run is essentially getting from point A to point B in the least amount of distance, because the Kessel Run is filled with very, very dangerous space phenomena and there's dozens of different routes.
    Pretty sure there is even a quest named after it in WoW on Bloodmyst Isle
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    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    Pretty sure there is even a quest named after it in WoW on Bloodmyst Isle
    An NPC, too! https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Kessel

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    Quote Originally Posted by Northelim View Post
    i am going to sound super dumb here but what is a "kessel"? Is that some form of air travel? Explain please, english is not my first language.


    Something kind of like this was the idea.
    But obviously instead of space ships you’re flying a dynamic flight mount.

    The heavy storms could be a good way to disguise the loading like the zaralek tunnels did.
    Maybe they’d have tech to where if you’re running a slower computer it just keeps you in the storms longer instead of hitting a wall if the zone doesn’t load?
    But I’m no programmer I don’t know how that’d work.
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