1. #38241
    Quote Originally Posted by Demonly View Post
    10.2 is the last raid tier.. and to bridge the gap between a potential (2025) release date they are releasing 10.3 which includes Avaloren, some new story, beginning phases of a world revamp & a new mega infinite dungeon (Uldaz). This would make sense with the item referencing Uldaz, & how "Avaloren" was conceptually introduced at the start of Dragonflight, finally bridging the story -> world revamp (11.0) -> conflict w/ Irikidon & Xal.
    Great way to get all raiders to unsubscribe by announcing there won't be a new raid for a whole year.

  2. #38242
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    There's a lot of reasons for DF not doing well and not all of it is because of the actual content of the game. People confused about DF not selling well when it is receiving good reception by the players don't understand how many things go into someone buying a game.

    The writing was on the wall at the release of the expansion: DF is not interesting enough or big enough to warrant new casual and/or old haters coming to play, regardless of the quality. And it looks like 11.0 will be the same if Avaloren is it, meaning we may be shifting to F2P instead of Blizzard making a giant expansion to win people back.
    You're putting in a lot of your own personal bias into this (this thread is a pretty big echo chamber wrt world revamp, most people outside simply do not care one way or the other). SL was not a popular expansion and combined with the lawsuit a lot of people just stopped playing. Blizzard has to rebuild trust, and DF has been a good step in that direction. Player retention throughout the expansion has been very good, which suggests the changes they've made have been popular.

  3. #38243
    Quote Originally Posted by matijwow View Post
    The report from February said Dragonflight was the first expansion since MoP to not outsell the previous expansion. I suspect that the expansion has not been financially successful and that the praise for it online is mostly the effect of an echo chamber.
    It absolutely is. The amount of players is way less, but they are happier than during something like Shadowlands e.g. the word of mouth is more positive, but coming from a smaller group of people this doesn’t mean much.

    The WoW subreddit was full of praise for Dragonflight in the first 6 months and is to this day and anything negative about the expansion gets downvoted, although they finally adapted to reality and see how mediocre Dragonflight really is now (in parts, at least).
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    I'm a dev myself and I'm quite certain that Blizz lead devs would absolutely love to host a Q&A. If there's no live Q&A must be due to the previous experiences we all know and corporate shutting that door.

    Also, to add more sauce and spice, I'm dead sure that if we feel disappointed with that leak, devs will probably be too xD

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  5. #38245
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    This would be pretty unprecedented. But this 10.3 also doesn't include a raid tier because we have the AoTC mount in 10.2 and the additional PvP season mount in 10.2 would be a really odd choice if 10.3 adds a huge extra landmass that would presumably have its own beasts and mounts to pull from.
    What if it was a fated raid tier so you end up with new open world content to lead into the next expansion while in the M+/Raid department you do a victory lap tier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Azalar View Post
    I'm a dev myself and I'm quite certain that Blizz lead devs would absolutely love to host a Q&A. If there's no live Q&A must be due to the previous experiences we all know and corporate shutting that door.
    Probably that and just culture in general right now having gone insane post Covid and in a world where everything has the potential to go viral and turn you into an overnight influencer. Well all mellow out again eventually but it's still a thing.

  6. #38246
    Quote Originally Posted by Pinksocking View Post
    its been in development since 2016 or something

    i believe jason schreier said its imminent

    reveal this blizzcon with potential 2024 winter release date

    full deep dive next blizzcon / beta
    I wouldn't be surprised. They have openly talked about it and even shared art, which they don't normally do with internal unannounced projects, so it's not surprising it's close to reveal. Just odd that they seem to still be working on hiring core team stuff if they're announcing it in a week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    The point is that the screenshot and website leaks are fake, so who cares? Obviously the next expansion will have more than 4 zones. EVERY WoW expansion has more than 4 zones. A leak telling you that the next expansion is getting 4 zones should be a giant red flag.
    But its not definitively telling us that. There could be 11 zones it that were real.

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    I'm taking the 3rd off, how can we watch live again? Through YouTube or did the mount package have a virtual ticket

  9. #38249
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Great way to get all raiders to unsubscribe by announcing there won't be a new raid for a whole year.
    Raiding was never the focal point of WoW. It was always about the RP experience & w/ Metzen at the helm again I could absolutely see the direction spinning this way. People want more RPG elements back in their MMORPG, not just an endless dungeon/raid grind

  10. #38250
    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    It absolutely is. The amount of players is way less, but they are happier than during something like Shadowlands e.g. the word of mouth is more positive, but coming from a smaller group of people this doesn’t mean much.

    The WoW subreddit was full of praise for Dragonflight in the first 6 months and is to this day and anything negative about the expansion gets downvoted, although they finally adapted to reality and see how mediocre Dragonflight really is now (in parts, at least).
    Man, I wonder if something happened during Shadowlands that would make people shy away from Blizzard products?

    Nah, it couldn't be, it has to be something that fits my narrative.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PotHockets View Post
    Probably that and just culture in general right now having gone insane post Covid and in a world where everything has the potential to go viral and turn you into an overnight influencer. Well all mellow out again eventually but it's still a thing.
    Tying it to a consequence of covid is a take I hadn't heard and it's actually lit.

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  12. #38252
    Quote Originally Posted by Selorian View Post
    You're putting in a lot of your own personal bias into this (this thread is a pretty big echo chamber wrt world revamp, most people outside simply do not care one way or the other). SL was not a popular expansion and combined with the lawsuit a lot of people just stopped playing. Blizzard has to rebuild trust, and DF has been a good step in that direction. Player retention throughout the expansion has been very good, which suggests the changes they've made have been popular.
    2022: *decent expansion with good retention but smaller playerbase*
    2023: "Blizzard just needs to earn trust" <--- YOU ARE HERE
    2024: *decent expansion 2 with good retention but even smaller playerbase*
    2025: "Blizzard just needs to earn trust"
    2026: *decent expansion 3 with good retention but even smaller playerbase*
    2027: "Blizzard just needs to earn trust"

    And so on. If Blizzard doesn't bother to do a big expansion, the game will eventually just end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    I'm taking the 3rd off, how can we watch live again? Through YouTube or did the mount package have a virtual ticket
    They are streaming on Youtube and Twitch, whole thing is free.


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  14. #38254
    Quote Originally Posted by Well Done Steak View Post
    I'm taking the 3rd off, how can we watch live again? Through YouTube or did the mount package have a virtual ticket
    Youtube or twitch. For freeeeeee
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  15. #38255
    Quote Originally Posted by Rathwell View Post
    More specifically, it's this art piece of an Alliance gryphon rider chased by an orc chimera rider from 2019




    Edit: Ah, someone beat me to it
    Yes yes, I know, but chosing that specifically seems like a hint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    2022: *decent expansion with good retention but smaller playerbase*
    2023: "Blizzard just needs to earn trust" <--- YOU ARE HERE
    2024: *decent expansion 2 with good retention but even smaller playerbase*
    2025: "Blizzard just needs to earn trust"
    2026: *decent expansion 3 with good retention but even smaller playerbase*
    2027: "Blizzard just needs to earn trust"

    And so on. If Blizzard doesn't bother to do a big expansion, the game will eventually just end.
    Just give us Nexus and Teriz's expansion.

    Nvm just being silly.

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  17. #38257
    Quote Originally Posted by Azalar View Post
    Tying it to a consequence of covid is a take I hadn't heard and it's actually lit.
    Yeah COVID fucked the worldwide mindset more than harambe's death did.

  18. #38258
    Quote Originally Posted by Demonly View Post
    Raiding was never the focal point of WoW. It was always about the RP experience & w/ Metzen at the helm again I could absolutely see the direction spinning this way. People want more RPG elements back in their MMORPG, not just an endless dungeon/raid grind
    Very valid point and even in DF we see Blizzard acknowledging this and moving back towards much heavier RPG elements with the talent trees coming back, the profession rework leaning into being the crafter you want to be, the much slower choose your own pace of DF questing and open world, etc.

    People want to be a character that exists in a world not a player chasing constant upgrades for the most part. Obviously everyone is different and I know I go through some ungabungabignumber phases but I think for the most part people that are still into MMOs now that the genre is nothing special are specifically looking for that experience of getting to be a character in a world.

  19. #38259
    Quote Originally Posted by Selorian View Post
    You're putting in a lot of your own personal bias into this (this thread is a pretty big echo chamber wrt world revamp, most people outside simply do not care one way or the other). SL was not a popular expansion and combined with the lawsuit a lot of people just stopped playing. Blizzard has to rebuild trust, and DF has been a good step in that direction. Player retention throughout the expansion has been very good, which suggests the changes they've made have been popular.
    You can't just say any dissenting stance is an echo chamber: A subsequent product selling poorly after the previous product was widely panned is just common sense. That reflects on Shadowlands, not Dragonflight. I'm sure the next expansion will sell better than Dragonflight because Dragonflight was a quality expansion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Demonly View Post
    Raiding was never the focal point of WoW.
    Yes it is. The WoW Game Director & President of Blizzard were literally professional WoW raiders.
    Last edited by Ersula; 2023-10-27 at 05:25 PM.

  20. #38260
    Quote Originally Posted by allegrian View Post
    Yes yes, I know, but chosing that specifically seems like a hint.
    does not have to be a hint.
    Could also be "This is our promotional goto for World of Warcraft as a whole, because Classic is also covered in this Schedule"

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