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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Yeah someone brought it up earlier.
    It does seem weird to me if Khaz Algar is literally next to Ulduar though but I would not mind a Northrend Revamp!
    War of the Scaleborn actually mentions plenty of locations that would likely be on Northrend; both Vyranoth and Iridikron had lairs there.
    Plus Odyn is right there. We could have a revamped Ulduar raid!

    OK I am behind this idea. Northrend Revamp, Elun'ahir below Sholazar, Azjol Nerub zone, the lairs of the different Incarnates as possible dungeons or raids, Ulduar. It is perfect to continue the story, it has some underground zones without being underground, Dalaran is no longer there so we could get Crystalsong proper.

    If we did get a 10.3 proper patch with a raid and everything, I personally would have speculated a Northrend Visual Update (not revamp) as the location for this reason; it just works with the story. Have Uldaz be a facility beneath Northrend, they had more than Ulduar after all.

    You know what? Now that you said it, it would make kind of sense for Northrend full revamp in the similar style Outland was turned Into AU Draenor
    Like it's the similar shape, same name, some places are the same but overall with the whole new biomes after lich king was defeated, with Azjol Nerub Underground, Odyn, Dwarves, raid beneath Ulduar(!!!), something beneath Galakrond fall etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khazm View Post
    Into the Khazm
    This is it.
    We got our expansion name!


    Formerly known as Arafal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    This is it.
    We got our expansion name!
    Imgine they showed your Hype Train Wallpaper front and centre at BlizzCon. I'd cry so hard from laughing on floor Be great to see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harbour View Post
    You know what? Now that you said it, it would make kind of sense for Northrend full revamp in the similar style Outland was turned Into AU Draenor
    Like it's the similar shape, same name, some places are the same but overall with the whole new biomes after lich king was defeated, with Azjol Nerub Underground, Odyn, Dwarves, raid beneath Ulduar(!!!), something beneath Galakrond fall etc.
    Honestly, sounds like a neat idea. I mean there was a lot of stuff in Northrend we didn’t get to explore properly. But that’s the case with every expansion. If we get something like that, give us finally the Troll raid in Gundrak.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khazm View Post
    Into the Khazm
    New island west of Kalimdor, 3 new zones in layered tiers beneath the earth
    Khaz Algar is not Avaloren
    Horde ally with the rebel dwarves, Alliance ally with the cave goblins
    Khaz Algar was a prison, Xal'atath unleashed the inhabitants
    Elemental customization options for old races
    Timewalking Mythic+
    Seasonal events to bring people to the old world
    Runic augmentation
    Archeology revamp
    Is this the season's Wrath of the Bolvar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harbour View Post
    You know what? Now that you said it, it would make kind of sense for Northrend full revamp in the similar style Outland was turned Into AU Draenor
    That reminded me of the revamped Northrend leak/concept I posted in the 9.0 speculation thread way back when. The idea was that it would have been damaged by the Cataclysm, causing flooding (and other changes) across the entire continent. Also I got rid of Zul'Drak cus I hate that place.



    Btw, I'm noticing now that I kind of got the location of Uldorus/Tyrhold correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    Yes it was a massive amount of work and long time players appreciated it but it wasn't a very good tactic yo bring back lapsed players, or yo recruit new ones. You need something big and flashy. It could be garrions/Torghast, islands etc.

    Think about how much worse the sales would have been too if DF had no nee class?
    Sadly, no one cared for these so called "features", besides garrisons which also got flak. Most of them only got better at the end of the expansion anyways (easier transmog for island expeditions, better torghast modes), which was shortly before they abandoned them. Besides that, the game needs evergreen stuff, not "borrowed power" or even worse "borrowed features". Bring in a glyph revamp, a racial revamp, housing, flex mythic raiding or a pvp reward revamp that gives CASUALS access to elite and gladiator rewards that are older than 2 expansions (to make up for casuals getting their hands on mythic rewards down the line). That's stuff that brings players back and makes them stay. Not some "feature" that you know will get abandoned after 4 seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Is this the season's Wrath of the Bolvar?
    It might be, it gave me a good chuckle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harbour View Post
    You know what? Now that you said it, it would make kind of sense for Northrend full revamp in the similar style Outland was turned Into AU Draenor
    Like it's the similar shape, same name, some places are the same but overall with the whole new biomes after lich king was defeated, with Azjol Nerub Underground, Odyn, Dwarves, raid beneath Ulduar(!!!), something beneath Galakrond fall etc.
    If we get an AU Northrend we should totally have a Lich Queen. Be it Jaina or Sylvanas, that meme has to live on.
    Or maybe, just maybe for extra fan points have the time changed to Illidan beating Arthas in that last battle and him putting on the Helm of Domination.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Harbour View Post
    You know what? Now that you said it, it would make kind of sense for Northrend full revamp in the similar style Outland was turned Into AU Draenor
    Like it's the similar shape, same name, some places are the same but overall with the whole new biomes after lich king was defeated, with Azjol Nerub Underground, Odyn, Dwarves, raid beneath Ulduar(!!!), something beneath Galakrond fall etc.
    There should definitely be a lot happening there, too. The Ebon Blade have been fighting a war against the freed Scourge since Shadowlands (still weird that the whole invasion was just ignored apart from that one questline that made it seem like Lakeshire was about to be overwhelmed), and supposedly things were dire there before the time skip. I'd like to see how that's going now, 5+ years later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    It might be, it gave me a good chuckle.
    The ultimate wow expansion:

    After an experiment has gone wrong in the Eye of Azshara and got Corgis Unleashed the Council of Glades escaped into the Khasm to avoid the Wrath of the Bolvar.

    Sounds like a modern anime title innit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    Honestly, sounds like a neat idea. I mean there was a lot of stuff in Northrend we didn’t get to explore properly. But that’s the case with every expansion. If we get something like that, give us finally the Troll raid in Gundrak.

    We know Khaz Algar is far from Uldaman, maybe it could be an underwater fissure between Northrend and Dragon Isles. The continental shelf completely breaks on the east coast of Zul'drak so maybe that's where Khaz Algar used to be and now most of it is underwater as it fell into the sea during Cataclysm. Imagine if it joins underground with Zaralek and we can fly from Northrend to Khaz Algar, to Zaralek to Dragon Isles. Or simply make it possible to fly aboveground through some mists and skybox illusion from east Northrend sea border to Dragon Isles so if they plant the tree in Ohn'ara it is still right next to the next expac and you can fly back and forth pretty fast.
    Do a visual revamp of Northrend, add an Azjol Nerub zone, maybe have Elun'ahir be right next to it and part of the same underground system. For side stories we can have a Talanji storyline where she helps resettle Zul'drak, have the Taunka and Frostborn formally join the Horde and Alliance, maybe more Kalecgos in Coldarra. Heck we could find what those Saronite vapor-like things where that we found in Ulduar during the Legion pre-quests. We'd get all the keepers back as well. Northrend which means more Vrykul (maybe we even find out who the Drust where and why they left). More Tuskar, more wolvar, more Oracles. Continue the dragon story from Dragonflight by moving it into Northrend with Wyrmrest Accord becoming a capital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Absolutely, the talent tree part of the artifacts is just a base system enhancement. But the artifacts had also content added with them tied to acquiring all the skins not to mention the initial storylines to acquire them and all the unique reactions they offered with the world.
    You can argue that world quests are just an evolution of dailies by dailies are a content system in and of themselves. They give you a new way to spend your time and combined with the emissary system formed a major reward cycle since Legion.
    And with Mythic+ you must be joking. "Minor changes to the dungeon system". M+ changes the way dungeons are run completely and vastly increase the time one will spend playing them. That is an additional way to play the game on par with raiding instead of something you mostly do while leveling.
    I stand by what i said. The new talents are too the old talents what mythic plus is to regular dungeons

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wangming View Post
    Sounds like a modern anime title innit?
    Probably still not long enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyel View Post
    The problem is, Avaloren itself is completely irrelevant so, as you said, the story needs to carry the expansion. Dragonflight had the exact issue and in that regard they totally failed, the story didn’t carry anything, it was a snooze fest. So why should we have hope for Avaloren in that case? I mean what exactly needs to be going on there to be interesting for the general player?

    The continent would be new, we would most likely have the same lame ass NPCs and continued storylines from Dragonflight… like as we’ve said multiple times, it would be a retread of Dragonflight, but this time it would be worse because it‘s not even fresh anymore, its the continuation of a storyline that brought almost nobody back (aka sales figures) or kept almost nobody interested (aka subbed).

    I mean lore enthusiasts might enjoy it, but Hans and Franz really couldn’t care less about all these irrelevant side characters that were promoted to main cast within 12 months and then killed off or forgotten. It just lacks punch and enticement. Sure they can bring back Thrall, but it barely helped for Shadowlands either.
    Avaloren is supposed to be some kind of lost titan facility, Yes? Then you already have the set-up for a Void storyline, because the Void creatures are ever attracted to lost Titan facilities.

    The problem with Dragonflight lore is that none of the villains are interesting or cool aside from Cinematic Raszageth, who had like 1 minute of screentime.

    The Void storyline does not have this problem. People care and are hyped for Azshara, people care and are hyped for the Old Gods, people care and are hyped for Xal'atath (known to the casual player as "Knaifu"; she is popular and iconic).

    Why can't we have a Void storyline in Avaloren (lost titan facility)? We have ALWAYS Had Void storyline in the lost titan facilities; C'Thun in Ahn'qiraj, Yogg-Saron in Ulduar, Y'Shaarj in the Vale of Eternal Blossoms, N'Zoth in the Circle of Stars (revealed to be an underwater Titan facility built near Azshara's palace).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    I was being facetious, but here you go.


    They're all stored away in the ol' spreadsheet as well.
    Yeah those are so fake LMAO. Thanks though

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Surviving in nature, not surviving in hiding. Also, you two should really look up how spears were actually used. Spears are actually one of the most sensible weapon choices for Survival.
    The two are kind of mutually exclusive. Plus, a large theme in Survival has to do with stealthy abilities.

    I think context is important here. You're not wrong to suggest spears are great weapons, but for a spec that's supposed to be sort of like Rexxar, prowling the wilderness with his pet, I do think dual wielding one handed weapons makes more sense. Especially when you consider that the weapon slot also allows for massive polearms today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chickat View Post
    I stand by what i said. The new talents are too the old talents what mythic plus is to regular dungeons
    Cool. They absolutely are as far as dev time is concerned. But you are missing the difference in "Content that gives you more ways to spend your time playing the game" vs "Systems that change how you play the game".

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    WOW undermine is the one who make more sense of them all but we got not a single leak

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    Quote Originally Posted by ercarp View Post
    If it wasn't for the title, it would have been my favorite leak I think. The only thing that made me doubt it was the name since it felt like a massive disconnect from the otherwise tropical setting.

    Good job though, you have some great ideas! And no need to feel guilty, the fake leaks are what make leak seasons so much fun.
    Fair point, and cheers.

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