1. #4261
    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    You gotta be kidding right?
    I think you forgot Azeroth is a globe: Dragon Isles is right next to Teldrassil if you go the opposite direction. (Edit: The great impassible ocean is further south. Don't forget the entirety of the map is the northern hemisphere. So in terms of relative distance, if Silvermoon is Europe, Teldrassil/Azuremist/Hyjal/Winterspring is Canada, Northrend is Greenland & The Dragon Isles is Iceland)
    Last edited by Ersula; 2023-04-20 at 05:42 AM.

  2. #4262
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I think you forgot Azeroth is a globe: Dragon Isles is right next to Teldrassil if you go the opposite direction.
    Yeah, let's definitely start the globe argument again. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by Skytotem View Post
    Well naturally it's not FINISHED yet since it's not live, but the quality seems too high for it to be fake.
    It is "finished", just incomplete without more context. I'm assuming this cinematic is tagged onto an in-game cutscene similar to the Jailer's ending.

  3. #4263
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I think you forgot Azeroth is a globe: Dragon Isles is right next to Teldrassil if you go the opposite direction.
    Yeah, look at the map, even if the distance between the map borders were all the space between Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms looking from the other side, which is extremely unlikely now that we have plenty of hints of new lands between the Veiled Sea and the Forbidding Sea, it still doesn't make any favors, you reduced the distance in 20% at best.

    It also doesn't change the fact that the Undead is retaking what is rightfully theirs while Night Elves get screwed again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Don't forget the entirety of the map is the northern hemisphere. So in terms of relative distance, if Silvermoon is Europe, Teldrassil/Azuremist/Hyjal/Winterspring is Canada, Northrend is Greenland & The Dragon Isles is Iceland)
    That is not confirmed:



    If you wanna use unconfirmed stuff then your logic is also flawed because there are also unconfirmed continents/islands on the other side dividing the Veiled Sea and the Forbidding Sea.
    Last edited by Luck4; 2023-04-20 at 06:15 AM.

  4. #4264
    Mere words can't describe my apathy for yet another fucking tree, but the real issue is that night elf fans will rightly bitch about the placement of the tree and we'll have to drag this cadaver of a plot point onto yet another expansion as Blizzard rushes to try and fail to fix it yet again.

    No one cares about the Night Elf biomass lost or about Teldrassil as a tree. If you'd told anyone BFA that we'd be spending years upon years talking about a capital that was a mistake, in-story and out, instead of Lordaeron, one of the core locations of Warcraft, they'd laugh you out of the park. They care because it was yet another L in 20 years full of them, delivered by a character they had zero prior relation to, purposefully crafted to turn the race into victims who serve as a pretext to make Sadfang sad, make Anduin look heroic and make Sylvanas raise an astral kill counter for a shit villain. They care because it was never followed up with any kind of uncomplicated, plain victory, but with yet more beating down on those same beats as any hope of a resolution was instead either put entirely off-screen, like Darkshore, had hangups, like the Night Elf suicide army and bringing back Ysera, or served as yet another vehicle to traffic an insufferable lesson about loving your fellow man while failing at all objectives except one, like the Night Warrior.

    Popping up a tree and having the night elves emerge from seeds or whatever does nothing to resolve this underlying issue, hell, to a point it even exacerbates them because the tree is handed to them by Ysera in exchange for their impotent racial leader who was only ever cool in the context of war.

    Surely it can't be that fucking hard to have the night elves get their WC3 allies (all with extant in-game models) and wage 1 (one) battle to seize 1 (one) piece of territory?
    Last edited by Super Dickmann; 2023-04-20 at 06:27 AM.
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  5. #4265
    After all these years i'm still trying to figure out what night elf players really want lmao

  6. #4266
    Don't worry nelf players, we will probably end up burning it in 10.2

  7. #4267
    Quote Originally Posted by Scyth View Post
    Don't worry nelf players, we will probably end up burning it in 10.2
    I'd withdraw my comments if Fyrakk ends up immediately torching the tree.
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  8. #4268
    Quote Originally Posted by Scyth View Post
    Don't worry nelf players, we will probably end up burning it in 10.2
    I'm not a Night Elf player, but they're one of my favorite races, with that said, they can burn this new Dragon Isles World Tree, for all I care, maybe they can take this opportunity to wipe out the remaining Kal'dorei as well.

    If the Night Elves can't have their lands back and a home in Kalimdor then they're probably better extinct.

  9. #4269
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    I'd withdraw my comments if Fyrakk ends up immediately torching the tree.
    Would be the ultimate f.ck you by blizzard to nelf players if it happened. Imagine Fyrakk just drops down from the sky immediately as Alexstrasza finishes her speach lol

  10. #4270
    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    You gotta be kidding right?
    I'm not kidding. You are confusing map distance with actual distance. Teldrassil was planted way off the coast of the middle of nowhere. Hyjal isn't a sprawling night elven capital, especially post-Third War* when the tree was in some flux state of pseudo-death, which is when the second tree was planted.

    The closest thing to teldrassil were small town ruins that had not been cared about or used for literally 10,000 years. It's "next to" those places on the interactable map, when the reality is that between Darkshore and Hyjal is an insurmountable series of truly massive mountain peaks and an entire region lost to fel corruption. How is that close to Hyjal? To actually go between the two, properly, in terms of lore or moving supplies, you'd need to travel the entire length of darkshore, through Ashenvale, through the entirety of Felwood, negotiate past the Furbolgs of Timbermaw Hold, get through the snow of Winterspring and then you are at the foot of Hyjal and can climb it.

    Yes, Ashenvale is "a zone over", except when you actually consider the distance implied there and realize that Ashenvale, a glorified outpost and constant battleground since the WoTA, is still on the other side of an entire region of forest, two sets of mountains and through more forest.



    Teldrassil is the middle of nowhere. There's no rhyme or reason to its placement. It's barely even near those ancient ruins. It's on the other side of the continent from where most of the Night Elven army is stationed. It's probably weeks+ travel from Hyjal proper unless you are a single person on a flying animal.

    Teldrassil is way down the road from Ashenvale, a place which itself was more of a tactical retreat from demons than a meaningful choice of location. So what does it matter if the new tree is off in the Isles instead of on Kalimdor, the continent that the Night Elves were struggling to retain meaningful control over even when they weren't a handful of refugees?
    Last edited by Hitei; 2023-04-20 at 07:42 AM.

  11. #4271
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    I'd withdraw my comments if Fyrakk ends up immediately torching the tree.
    The prospect pf this made me giggle.
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  12. #4272
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    My problem with it being on dragon isles (how sure are you people that it's really being on dragon isles?) is that blizzard Abaddons landmasses the moment the prepatch of the next X-Pac hits. Why can't they properly integrate old land into the current content? This really puzzles me and it's also very inefficient and wasteful in terms of real money
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  13. #4273
    I'm not a fan that they put the tree on the Dragon Isle. What purpose does it serve there?
    As people said before, Nelfs got zero connection to this place. Regardless of that, Nelfs need some stuff going on back on Kalimdor, the tree could have been a good starting point.

  14. #4274
    I wouldn't put it completely past Blizzard to pull a Merithra-Ysera with it mind, where every plot point screams towards one outcome (Ysera returns, becomes Aspect) but due to complaints they shelve it and are left with a weird in-between situation. In this case, the tree being in the Dream serving as an excuse for them to pivot it over to Kalimdor or onto its own map as a daily quest hub.
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  15. #4275
    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    As s hopeless night elf nerd I can confirm this would be bad. But you know what's much worse? This somehow lowers the hope for a world remake since in my head a world remake makes all races and zones relevant again. And with world I mean classic/cata zones
    I too wanted a do-over; the lore rewritten so it makes sense, independent factions to balance the horde/alliance metric, racial spec-abilities, a wider scope of classes, and a lot more...
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    I'd withdraw my comments if Fyrakk ends up immediately torching the tree.
    Well, Blizz may need to show off the aspects protecting it...so don't be surprised if this attempt happens.

  16. #4276
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    I wouldn't put it completely past Blizzard to pull a Merithra-Ysera with it mind, where every plot point screams towards one outcome (Ysera returns, becomes Aspect) but due to complaints they shelve it and are left with a weird in-between situation. In this case, the tree being in the Dream serving as an excuse for them to pivot it over to Kalimdor or onto its own map as a daily quest hub.
    Was the seed planted in the Ancient Bough area in Ohn'ahran Plains or was it planted in the Dreamway?
    They could place it in the Dreamway and give Night Elves a Capital they can reach from every Great Tree which would link them to Hyjal, Ashenvale but also Grizzly Hills, Feralas, Hinterlands and Duskwood (and a few other places the Dreamway links to).

    Though the truly Blizzard thing to do to the NElfs is not to have Fyrakk burn it; that's just a troll move that's hilarious and they don't manage that. Nah it would be for Vyranoth or Fyrakk to somehow compromise the Dream and the Elves to sacrifice the seed to save the Dream from collapsing.

  17. #4277
    what it feels to me is that they're trying to rebrand the night elves into night fae elves. We'll see where all this goes but I wouldn't find it to be a bad thing

  18. #4278
    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    what it feels to me is that they're trying to rebrand the night elves into night fae elves. We'll see where all this goes but I wouldn't find it to be a bad thing
    Given they never delivered WC3 Night Elves in WoW, they might as well.

  19. #4279
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Was the seed planted in the Ancient Bough area in Ohn'ahran Plains or was it planted in the Dreamway?
    They could place it in the Dreamway and give Night Elves a Capital they can reach from every Great Tree which would link them to Hyjal, Ashenvale but also Grizzly Hills, Feralas, Hinterlands and Duskwood (and a few other places the Dreamway links to).
    This would actually be fairly cool and feed into future story opportunities. This on the other hand...
    Though the truly Blizzard thing to do to the NElfs is not to have Fyrakk burn it; that's just a troll move that's hilarious and they don't manage that. Nah it would be for Vyranoth or Fyrakk to somehow compromise the Dream and the Elves to sacrifice the seed to save the Dream from collapsing.
    Where did you find a copy of the script?
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  20. #4280
    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    Teldrassil is way down the road from Ashenvale, a place which itself was more of a tactical retreat from demons than a meaningful choice of location. So what does it matter if the new tree is off in the Isles instead of on Kalimdor, the continent that the Night Elves were struggling to retain meaningful control over even when they weren't a handful of refugees?
    Please stop...
    After the Sundering of the ancient Kalimdor, the night elven civilization was built in and around the forests of Ashenvale.
    Ashenvale, also known as Ashenvale Forest, is a wilderness region south of Darkshore and Felwood, west of Azshara, and north of the Stonetalon Mountains and the Barrens. It is the ancestral homeland of the night elves, who remain in control of several holdings through the zone, including Astranaar, Maestra's Post, Silverwing Grove, and the Shrine of Aessina.
    https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Ashenvale?so=search

    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    So what does it matter if the new tree is off in the Isles instead of on Kalimdor, the continent that the Night Elves were struggling to retain meaningful control over even when they weren't a handful of refugees?
    Gameplay-wise it shows favoritism towards the Horde as the Undead resettles in Tirisfal Glades, their former home, and lore-wise makes even less sense since the Night Elves took back Darkshore and are currently settled in Nordrassil (Mount Hyjal).

    So it does matter a lot!

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