1. #4281
    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    what it feels to me is that they're trying to rebrand the night elves into night fae elves. We'll see where all this goes but I wouldn't find it to be a bad thing
    I'm under the same impression. I still hope they won't plant the tree in the Dragon Isles but I'm pretty sure they will

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    A slap in the face to night elf players...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    This would actually be fairly cool and feed into future story opportunities. This on the other hand...


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  4. #4284
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    A slap in the face to night elf players...
    At least this time Nelves get a stiff drink to help stomach the slap. So improvements i guess?

    It's undeniably lazy to place the new Nelf capital in the Dragon Isles. But I am going to withhold my worst judgment here until I see what they actually end up doing with the new tree. It might be cool enough that I am willing to let it slide. And if we get some dreamway portals into the mix to integrate it into other Nelf settlements on Kalimdor then I would argue it would probably be among the most convenient capitals regardless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    As someone that once wanted an Emerald Dream expansion, yeah, after Shadowlands I completely rejected the idea. Also, the characters that I wanted to see from the Emerald Dream are either dead or already appeared in Azeroth.

    I'm really glad that 10.0 turned out to be Dragons Isles instead of Gardens of Life/Lifelands/Emerald Dream.

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    But as someone said above, I wouldn't mind Cosmic plane exploration on patches.

    Cataclysm used a similar approach to explore the elemental planes: Firelands(Raid+Patch Zone), Skywall(Dungeon+Raid), Deepholm(Zone+Dungeon), and Abyssal Maw(Dungeon+Canceled Raid/Dungeon).
    And Cataclysm felt weak as they literally cut half of the elemental planes from the lineup - the same fuckup they did with Ny'alotha. These things should always be playable zones, not just Dungeons or raids. MMO Champion may shit on Shadowlands but it was far superior to cutting stuff short and making things only available via instanced content (which was especially bad with the Abyssal Maw lol). Even Argus was kinda wasted potential as they could have easily added f.e. Kil'Jaeden's palace as another raid. Actually, I'm convinced that Argus may have been originally a smaller (yearly) expansion like WoD which got changed into patch content during Legion's development in order to get more content out for Legion once they realized that yearly ones weren't doable, alongside with feedback on WoD's Orc fatigue after SoO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    At least this time Nelves get a stiff drink to help stomach the slap. So improvements i guess?

    It's undeniably lazy to place the new Nelf capital in the Dragon Isles. But I am going to withhold my worst judgment here until I see what they actually end up doing with the new tree. It might be cool enough that I am willing to let it slide. And if we get some dreamway portals into the mix to integrate it into other Nelf settlements on Kalimdor then I would argue it would probably be among the most convenient capitals regardless.
    As long as those portals are strictly "Alliance Only." Unless Blizz really has thrown the baby out with the bathwater and decided NElfs have to embrace forgiveness to the undead...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lady Atia View Post
    And Cataclysm felt weak as they literally cut half of the elemental planes from the lineup - the same fuckup they did with Ny'alotha. These things should always be playable zones, not just Dungeons or raids. MMO Champion may shit on Shadowlands but it was far superior to cutting stuff short and making things only available via instanced content (which was especially bad with the Abyssal Maw lol). Even Argus was kinda wasted potential as they could have easily added f.e. Kil'Jaeden's palace as another raid. Actually, I'm convinced that Argus may have been originally a smaller (yearly) expansion like WoD which got changed into patch content during Legion's development in order to get more content out for Legion once they realized that yearly ones weren't doable, alongside with feedback on WoD's Orc fatigue after SoO.
    You say they cut half the elemental planes. But really the only one we didn't properly see was the Abyssal Maw. And Vashj'ir already did most of what would be interesting with an underwater area anyways.
    And though the Air Elemental place was just a dungeon I fel like we got the general gist of the place plenty.

    Also wasn't Antorus supposed to be where Kil'jaedens palace was anyways? We just didn't see his actual throneroom.
    I would have liked to see more of Argus for sure, but only really in the sense that I wanted to see more of Mac'aree/Eredath. I could do with much less of the generic green and black hellscape (felscape?). Which makes having more of Argus kinda difficult. Maybe in an ideal world where 7.2 was a bigger Eredath, and 7.3 was Antoran Wastes and the interior of some less green and black palace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    As long as those portals are strictly "Alliance Only." Unless Blizz really has thrown the baby out with the bathwater and decided NElfs have to embrace forgiveness to the undead...
    If I were to guess what something like this would look like, then I would say that only Nelves get to use it anyways.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    You say they cut half the elemental planes. But really the only one we didn't properly see was the Abyssal Maw. And Vashj'ir already did most of what would be interesting with an underwater area anyways.
    And though the Air Elemental place was just a dungeon I fel like we got the general gist of the place plenty.

    Also wasn't Antorus supposed to be where Kil'jaedens palace was anyways? We just didn't see his actual throneroom.
    I would have liked to see more of Argus for sure, but only really in the sense that I wanted to see more of Mac'aree/Eredath. I could do with much less of the generic green and black hellscape (felscape?). Which makes having more of Argus kinda difficult. Maybe in an ideal world where 7.2 was a bigger Eredath, and 7.3 was Antoran Wastes and the interior of some less green and black palace.
    I say that Skywall was a massive miss. It has some of the most beautiful architecture in Warcraft and it was limited to ONE dungeon (and one of the easier ones, I think we did the Vortex achievements in one try compared to the horror that was Siamat) and a tiny raid at a time when the game was entirely raid or die. Heck most people did not even bother doing Throne more than once for the simple reason that the gear there was crap; I know as soon as Al died on HC we didn't return.

    And on the Eredar side in general I felt Argus was a miss. There was no Eredar capital on the planet. Antorus was entirely a military facility. I really was hoping for something more Sargerai inspired; not green and black but rather red, gold and black.

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    The more I think about this tree thing the more I dislike it. First I thought my night elf soul is already rotten so I don't care but I still care.... IMO WoW needs a full reboot. Nothing makes sense anymore. It becomes absurd. Why even have races and starting zones when all things left faction wise are human zones and the new starter zones with humans which then bring you to human stormwind, etc. Super boring. They could have done so many cool things with capitals and races having little wars between each other. I vote for WoW2 now in my drama phases xD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pheraz View Post
    The more I think about this tree thing the more I dislike it. First I thought my night elf soul is already rotten so I don't care but I still care.... IMO WoW needs a full reboot. Nothing makes sense anymore. It becomes absurd. Why even have races and starting zones when all things left faction wise are human zones and the new starter zones with humans which then bring you to human stormwind, etc. Super boring. They could have done so many cool things with capitals and races having little wars between each other. I vote for WoW2 now in my drama phases xD
    Well, my version of WoW 2.0 couldn't happen because of a complexity that Blizz writers aren't capable of doing well.
    And at this point I don't believe Blizz cares at all about their inadequacy in doing anything right. As long as they have a core group cheerleaders that is willing to pay them for a few months of play it's all good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Well, my version of WoW 2.0 couldn't happen because of a complexity that Blizz writers aren't capable of doing well.
    And at this point I don't believe Blizz cares at all about their inadequacy in doing anything right. As long as they have a core group cheerleaders that is willing to pay them for a few months of play it's all good.
    That sounds tragically stupid. They are being acquired. The devs are safe for the medium term. Upper and middle management are not safe at all. Anyone who fails to impress in the months after the acquisition will be replaced. And unlike the lower level devs, I doubt management is underpaid.

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    People want the world to feel bigger but then bitch that the Dragon isles is actually made relevant outside of this expansion.

    Baffling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    People want the world to feel bigger but then bitch that the Dragon isles is actually made relevant outside of this expansion.

    Baffling.
    You think it would be? If they actually plant it in a DF zone without ease of access for Kalimdor you think it will be revisited? Not to mention it would be Night Elf capital as part of a neutral plot? So would that mean Horde races would have to have access to it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    People want the world to feel bigger but then bitch that the Dragon isles is actually made relevant outside of this expansion.

    Baffling.
    Well, looking back at the last expansions, apart from BFA with dark empire parallel dimension blends/invasions, where did we ever go back to a zone outside of scenarios?
    It would be "OK" if they would do this from now on, even though the world tree being on kalimdor would be cooler, but I really really doubt it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    You think it would be? If they actually plant it in a DF zone without ease of access for Kalimdor you think it will be revisited? Not to mention it would be Night Elf capital as part of a neutral plot? So would that mean Horde races would have to have access to it?
    And how much other, non SW/Ogri capitals are revisited? Let's face it people, all these other places are pretty much useless and empty. For years the main focus was on new continent zones and faction capitals. The one time Undercity/Teldrassil were in the spotlight in the past decade was when they were getting destroyed for shock value during BfA launch. They want to plant a new Nelf capital? Cool, bur let's not suddenly expect it will be some big, new player hub. Especially when considering that faction division is still a thing (or maybe it will be a next step towards unification?).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    And how much other, non SW/Ogri capitals are revisited? Let's face it people, all these other places are pretty much useless and empty. For years the main focus was on new continent zones and faction capitals. The one time Undercity/Teldrassil were in the spotlight in the past decade was when they were getting destroyed for shock value during BfA launch.
    Not untrue. It still feels weird because it places what would be a capital quite far from the rest of the races' population. Even beyond the revamp/update hopes it moves the focus of Night Elves away from Northern Kalimdor which is what we identify with them. It would be like relocating the Forsaken from Lordaeron to Theramore (it's right next to Orgrimmar, the foundations of the city are there, it's a good port, they could have done it).

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    Race capitals are an obsolete and wasteful concept Blizz moved away from ages ago and use them only for an odd quest here and there. Last ones were in BC for Belves and Draenei (and they are empty af). After that? Worgens and Goblins - no capital, what could be them was turned into leveling zones that were never revisited. Same with Pandarens, AR's and now Dracthyrs. Not really sure what would they cook up with this potential new Nelf capital but I am convinced we wont need a place that is simply a new, big city hub.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Race capitals are an obsolete and wasteful concept Blizz moved away from ages ago and use them only for an odd quest here and there. Last ones were in BC for Belves and Draenei (and they are empty af). After that? Worgens and Goblins - no capital, what could be them was turned into leveling zones that were never revisited. Same with Pandarens, AR's and now Dracthyrs. Not really sure what would they cook up with this potential new Nelf capital but I am convinced we wont need a place that is simply a new, big city hub.
    As I recall you are equally dismissive, when you're not shitting on, lore as a whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Race capitals are an obsolete and wasteful concept Blizz moved away from ages ago and use them only for an odd quest here and there. Last ones were in BC for Belves and Draenei (and they are empty af). After that? Worgens and Goblins - no capital, what could be them was turned into leveling zones that were never revisited. Same with Pandarens, AR's and now Dracthyrs. Not really sure what would they cook up with this potential new Nelf capital but I am convinced we wont need a place that is simply a new, big city hub.
    Honestly the only way I could see racial capitals being reinvigorated is if we had something like a PARTIAL world revamp and in each expac the local capitals become the main cities for the faction. E.g. you could do Lordaeron and Quel'thalas and have Gilnear and Silvermoon as the expansion capitals (and make Lordaeron and Stromgarde as faction-specific projects that get rebuilt during the xpac). Do Northern Kalimdor and instead of using Orgrimmar, move the action to Thunder Bluff plus the new NElf capital. But I think that is wildly improbable.

    Another thing that could strongly invigorate racial capitals is of course Housing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    As I recall you are equally dismissive, when you're not shitting on, lore as a whole.
    Tell me more how still salty you are because some other guy on the internet likes story things you don't like.
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