1. #4301
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Tell me more how still salty you are because some other guy on the internet likes story things you don't like.
    Oh you mean the few lines of text that justifies "anything goes?"
    Sure...great storytelling!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Oh you mean the few lines of text that justifies "anything goes?"
    Sure...great storytelling!
    Better than "Illidan should stay dead in Outlands during fina BL invasion".
    Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Better than "Illidan should stay dead in Outlands during fina BL invasion".
    I'll look forward to your cheering when Sylvanas makes a comeback too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I'll look forward to your cheering when Sylvanas makes a comeback too.
    If this is how you like to spend your time on the internet, sure. But peeps I hang with usually don't have such issues with handling other people lore/story opinions.
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    Sometimes, the light of the moon is a key to other spaces. I've found a place where, for a night or two, the streets curve in unfamiliar ways. If I walk here, I might find insight, or I might be touched by madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utsuko View Post
    The only aspect that bothers me is that an Ardenweald tree and not a night elf tree. The branch is not even filled, it seems empty.
    Design aside, I love that it's on the Dragon Islands. It gives this expansion for the first time in a long time RELEVANCE.

    To believe that you are never satisfied...

    There is an Emerald Dream Portal as well as the Green Dragons. And many of you say there is no connection?
    Additionally, it is on the Eastern Kingdoms side, which is more strategically advantageous since they have the Dragonflights + their Alliance allies nearby.
    Why would there be stuff in it already? It looks like it just grew. Do you expect the tree to come with pre-grown housing?
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Not untrue. It still feels weird because it places what would be a capital quite far from the rest of the races' population. Even beyond the revamp/update hopes it moves the focus of Night Elves away from Northern Kalimdor which is what we identify with them. It would be like relocating the Forsaken from Lordaeron to Theramore (it's right next to Orgrimmar, the foundations of the city are there, it's a good port, they could have done it).
    I would say it's more like relocating the Forsaken to whatever place in Northrend, like the Scarlet Crusade towns, or whatever the Forsaken village on the eastern side was called.

    It's a perfectly decent choice narratively, and you could easily link it up to Forsaken holdings in Tirisfal and whatever, but it's still not really that fitting for Forsaken in general.
    A good example in my mind for Forsaken locations outside Brill would be the town whose name escapes me in Eastern Plaguelands, or Stratholme.

    For the Nelves a good choice for new town outside Teldrassil would be Hyjal or Feralas.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Oh you mean the few lines of text that justifies "anything goes?"
    Sure...great storytelling!
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Better than "Illidan should stay dead in Outlands during fina BL invasion".
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  8. #4308
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    I think you forgot Azeroth is a globe: Dragon Isles is right next to Teldrassil if you go the opposite direction. (Edit: The great impassible ocean is further south. Don't forget the entirety of the map is the northern hemisphere. So in terms of relative distance, if Silvermoon is Europe, Teldrassil/Azuremist/Hyjal/Winterspring is Canada, Northrend is Greenland & The Dragon Isles is Iceland)
    I don't think that's true, the lore about Avaloren and Nightsquall implies there's a lot more ocean east of EK and west of Kalimdor with stuff in it.

    Otherwise Medivh never would've told people to sail West to Kalimdor cause it'd have been faster to go east :P
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  9. #4309
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Race capitals are an obsolete and wasteful concept Blizz moved away from ages ago and use them only for an odd quest here and there. Last ones were in BC for Belves and Draenei (and they are empty af). After that? Worgens and Goblins - no capital, what could be them was turned into leveling zones that were never revisited. Same with Pandarens, AR's and now Dracthyrs. Not really sure what would they cook up with this potential new Nelf capital but I am convinced we wont need a place that is simply a new, big city hub.
    I mean, they only that way because they purposefully made them that way.

    With every convenience added to the game cities became more unnecessary. That doesn't mean it was a good design change for the game. And it also doesn't mean they can't innovate the original concept of them being social hubs with more modern design elements.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    I mean, they only that way because they purposefully made them that way.

    With every convenience added to the game cities became more unnecessary. That doesn't mean it was a good design change for the game. And it also doesn't mean they can't innovate the original concept of them being social hubs with more modern design elements.
    Sure they can innovate, but I would rather like they focus on new stuff/places with some updates to old content. They seem to prefer doing that over revamping old stuff, anyway.
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    New race capital cities would only make sense if there is content in them or in reach around them so you have a reason to be there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellspawn View Post
    New race capital cities would only make sense if there is content in them or in reach around them so you have a reason to be there.
    I mean I would hang out in silvermoon if it was updated, but the only thing that blocks you from doing that is either, no AH, no portals or no other logical reasons to be there. (Ofc no flying there)

    Idk, there is content and still loads of quests in Valdraken, You still wont find me there often. There for example has never been a good replacement for durotar, people still duel there 15 years later.

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    This mini-cinematic pretty much spoiled that the New World Tree won't be a city. They aren't going to make two models for the tree, and this one is still growing with an obvious zone portal in the middle.

    Unless the new city is located WITHIN the Dream, this probably won't ever be the new Nelf city. I think it's more likely they never receive a capital OR it's a future version of Nordrassil, which is in a very good spot for old world Dragonriding and has tons of lore significance to the Nelves.

    I do admit theres a tiny possibility the city is located within the dream. Would make sense as a defense mechanism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I do admit theres a tiny possibility the city is located within the dream. Would make sense as a defense mechanism.
    More as a questing area.
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  15. #4315
    Quote Originally Posted by Super Dickmann View Post
    More as a questing area.
    Or both, like Suramar. The questing zone will 100000000% be the Dream instead of a New Tree (this was set up by the leaked icon already) but if there's a hub in the Dream, it could be Darnassus 2.

    I think the moral of the story is that we are never getting a Real Tree City in this game's engine.

  16. #4316
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Sure they can innovate, but I would rather like they focus on new stuff/places with some updates to old content. They seem to prefer doing that over revamping old stuff, anyway.
    I understand but disagree. New places are cool. But they have a life span of 2 years and then get abandoned to collect dust. I would be nice for cities to become evergreen content.

    That said, I don't think we are getting a Night Elf capital again anyway. Or a cleansed Undercity. Its just something to dangle out there as a loose end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    This mini-cinematic pretty much spoiled that the New World Tree won't be a city. They aren't going to make two models for the tree, and this one is still growing with an obvious zone portal in the middle.

    Unless the new city is located WITHIN the Dream, this probably won't ever be the new Nelf city. I think it's more likely they never receive a capital OR it's a future version of Nordrassil, which is in a very good spot for old world Dragonriding and has tons of lore significance to the Nelves.

    I do admit theres a tiny possibility the city is located within the dream. Would make sense as a defense mechanism.
    Depends if its even a model in the first place. Nordrassil in the cinematics doesn't match in-game representation either.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    I understand but disagree. New places are cool. But they have a life span of 2 years and then get abandoned to collect dust. I would be nice for cities to become evergreen content.

    That said, I don't think we are getting a Night Elf capital again anyway. Or a cleansed Undercity. Its just something to dangle out there as a loose end.
    Danuser did specifically reference retaking Gilneas as "something they would want players to do" so I think that cities are something they're thinking about, but only forwhen it's relevant (expansions that feature the main continents again).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    Depends if its even a model in the first place. Nordrassil in the cinematics doesn't match in-game representation either.

    This could be the model for a future expansion though. There are some other HD textures used in that cinematic that don't match current Hyjal.

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    Also just realized that Vyranoth going after the tree was foreshadowed by the Drakonid traitor in the Ysera quest also being ice themed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Given they never delivered WC3 Night Elves in WoW, they might as well.
    They did deliever, they just aren't going to be the xenophobic idiots that they were in WCIII. They changed
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    They did deliever, they just aren't going to be the xenophobic idiots that they were in WCIII. They changed
    Au contraire, they only "delivered" by giving them an edgier aesthetic (briefly) and doing nothing to remedy the actual problems with their portrayal present since Vanilla. Their being in the Alliance to begin with was a contrivance of the faction system and constituted a race-wide character derailment in whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    You say they cut half the elemental planes. But really the only one we didn't properly see was the Abyssal Maw. And Vashj'ir already did most of what would be interesting with an underwater area anyways.
    And though the Air Elemental place was just a dungeon I fel like we got the general gist of the place plenty.

    Also wasn't Antorus supposed to be where Kil'jaedens palace was anyways? We just didn't see his actual throneroom.
    I would have liked to see more of Argus for sure, but only really in the sense that I wanted to see more of Mac'aree/Eredath. I could do with much less of the generic green and black hellscape (felscape?). Which makes having more of Argus kinda difficult. Maybe in an ideal world where 7.2 was a bigger Eredath, and 7.3 was Antoran Wastes and the interior of some less green and black palace.

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    If I were to guess what something like this would look like, then I would say that only Nelves get to use it anyways.
    Well, the air plane was prolly the best looking design wise and could have been a really cool flying only zone (or with modern gameplay a jumping puzzle one haha), so it's sad that all we got for it were a few platforms. The dungeon was cool (and I'm super looking forward to it's m+ version next month <3), but I would have prefered a full zone to go with it.

    Vashjir was a generic elf ruin underwater zone but that's not what I expected from an elemental plane.

    I don't think Antorus was supposed to be Kil'jaedens palace but Sargeras' throne aswell as the core of the planet. Argus was already "more than just generic green and black hellscape" so I think it could have worked *if* they could have managed to stick to the "one year per expansion" plan, with just two tiers. Imagine KJ's palace to be a bit like a Black Temple 2.0 with corrupted eredar crystal look as opposed to Antorus' legion look, placed at the heart of Eredath. Maybe have the forces of the void invade there at the start of the raid to get a thematical breath especially after Tomb of Sargeras. They even could have used a main universe Yrel as (end)boss, confirming the initial WoD tease of her being his daughter. That said I agree that a propper 4-5 season expansion would have been hard to set on Argus alone.
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