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    I can't tell if the one in the cinematic is that size or not. It's definitely not big enough to be a city, so I'm guessing it's just mid-growth this expansion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Too many people don't care about the lore for Nelves to be what the hardcore Nelf players want them to be. It's never going to happen and especially not after the fanbase reaction to BFA.

    People don't think about the people who are fine with how WoW Nelves are would react to their race and faction hubs suddenly being full of assholes and xenos.
    The people who don't care about it don't care about the plot anyway and will still have the bouncy models to go with. There's a reason there's so many void elf players and it's not because of their magnificent lore, but because their model looks good. The same will apply to night elves.

    As for those who do care, WC3 Night Elves are by far more popular than any other variant of the race. This isn't an orc situation where you have people who like WC3 orcs and people who like WC2 orcs and they both comprise a fair number of people, I've yet to see a single night elf player on this forum or any other who like the route the race has taken since Vanilla and want them to be milquetoast human orbiters. At most you've people defending night elf mages because class options.
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    Ha they are really going through with it, the writer team are such hacks, but we’ve known that since shadowlands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Too many people don't care about the lore for Nelves to be what the hardcore Nelf players want them to be. It's never going to happen and especially not after the fanbase reaction to BFA.

    People don't think about the people who are fine with how WoW Nelves are would react to their race and faction hubs suddenly being full of assholes and xenos.

    Its very stupid because its just saying an entire race is just one dimensional and let alone a lot of Nelf fans appreciate the race but aren't all about the xenophobia and "savagery" which one orc said. People really took with the xenophobia and aggressiveness and ran with it not even considering things had changed Post WCIII. You can argue they could of done more with them but regressing them back to WCIII status(Much like how MoP tried to do that to Orcs by regressing them back to the Old Horde) doesn't help and quite frankly AS a Night Elf fan(God forbid I go against the vocal grain) I don't want Nelves to turn into Purple Orcs. You can have your assertive Night Elves but don't paint it as "Yeah we don't need no one even though time and time again the Alliance has helped us.(Minus the one time I think Anduin was made to look bad stupidily)."

    Back to the Tree though. Based on Alexstraza(Or whoever is voicing it) words, I believe the tree will be in the Dragon Isles if only because the Dragons new home is the Dragon Isles. It doesn't have to mean the new capitol/ Nelven home is on the tree or the tree for that matter. Thats what I am hoping for but I cannot say for certainty. The most unlikely at this point is the tree is somewhere not on the Isles, it just wouldn't mesh with the dialogue. I am free to admit I could be wrong but.... /shrug


    If the home is on the Dragon Isles. Well expect confusion(Blizz should). Kalimdor is the Nelves home for a reason and they should at least be self aware of that. You don't need to be a hardcore Nelf fan to realize Ashenvale, Kalimdor is basically Night Elf land(I realize Durotar and such is for the Horde but you get the point). I also wonder if there will be a Emerald Dream patch, cause if there is, that tree will be in danger. I will have a hard time processing Blizzard's lore team is that tone deaf, we shall see and I am not gonna bang my desk metaphorically or literally over the results. There are far worse things to worry about.


    TLDR: We'll have to see the cinematic in context and what happens after words in DragonFlight.


    Ha they are really going through with it, the writer team are such hacks, but we’ve known that since shadowlands.
    We saw an image with no context on the Dragon Isles, let alone what 10.2 would even be and what ramifications that is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    Back to the Tree though. Based on Alexstraza(Or whoever is voicing it) words, I believe the tree will be in the Dragon Isles if only because the Dragons new home is the Dragon Isles. It doesn't have to mean the new capitol/ Nelven home is on the tree or the tree for that matter. Thats what I am hoping for but I cannot say for certainty. The most unlikely at this point is the tree is somewhere not on the Isles, it just wouldn't mesh with the dialogue. I am free to admit I could be wrong but.... /shrug
    The thing is, the Night elf souls pretty much were sacrificed to create this tree. Thousands of souls denied an afterlife for what I think we all assumed was to create a new homeland for their people. Not a garden decoration for green dragons who did not lift a finger when their people were attacked by the Horde again and again

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    Considering the tree is so small, maybe it will grow in the 10.2 finale? That would explain why the zone is the dream and NOT the tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utsuko View Post
    Exactly. Stop the denial, guys.
    And anyway we all knew it since the Dragonflight map was revealed.
    We knew they would but we could
    Still hope they would pull back given how moronic it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The thing is, the Night elf souls pretty much were sacrificed to create this tree. Thousands of souls denied an afterlife for what I think we all assumed was to create a new homeland for their people. Not a garden decoration for green dragons who did not lift a finger when their people were attacked by the Horde again and again
    I doubt the Nelves are really uncaring about the Green Dragons being neutral to what happened to Teldrassil. That is just you projecting. It isn't just a "decoration"

    Considering the tree is so small, maybe it will grow in the 10.2 finale? That would explain why the zone is the dream and NOT the tree.
    I suppose, it depends what the conflict in 10.2 is. I wonder if the Primalists will or rather Vyranoth will attack the Emerald Dream and by Proxy the tree around that time.

    Exactly. Stop the denial, guys.
    And anyway we all knew it since the Dragonflight map was revealed.
    When there's not a lot of context, yeah we shouldn't jump to conclusions. So far we know the big tree is gonna be there, thats it. It could be their home, I don't deny it but I'm not gonna discount that part will be not relevant.
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    In a meta sense, I'm starting to believe the "city is in the dream" idea because it works exactly like how Darnassus did: a city you went to through a portal at the base of a giant tree. I know the actual canon explanation was that you were porting up the tree and into the city, but maybe they are using that idea to explain how you get to the new Nelf settlement? It would be more fitting than the Dragon Isles for their new city to be located in the Dream, albeit still not as much as Kalimdor.

    Either that or the "mini-tree" really is just a red herring and the actual fully grown tree will feature in the patch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aeluron Lightsong View Post
    I doubt the Nelves are really uncaring about the Green Dragons being neutral to what happened to Teldrassil. That is just you projecting. It isn't just a "decoration"
    What on earth? What am I projecting? And what is the purpose of the tree in the isles if it is not a home?

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    Its possible Nordrassil gets empowered and revived too. And the two trees in unison act as gateways to the lifelands and Ardenweald.

    Wasn't there some map datamined about Hyjal anyway back in the alpha/beta?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    Its possible Nordrassil gets empowered and revived too. And the two trees in unison act as gateways to the lifelands and Ardenweald.

    Wasn't there some map datamined about Hyjal anyway back in the alpha/beta?
    We have some shots from a sort of ingame cinematic of Hyjal for some DF trailer I think.
    I hope that Nelf stuff gets focused on Hyjal but then... why plant the tree with the elf souls which serves as "new beginning" on an isle on the other side of the world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hellspawn View Post
    We have some shots from a sort of ingame cinematic of Hyjal for some DF trailer I think.
    I hope that Nelf stuff gets focused on Hyjal but then... why plant the tree with the elf souls which serves as "new beginning" on an isle on the other side of the world?
    It could be a new "homeland" for the elves that is disconnected from their Kalimdor settlements. The reasoning could be it's to protect the tree from outside influence, or it's simply connected to Kalimdor through the Dream.

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    The new city being through a portal to the Dream would make it pretty defensible, to say the least.

    (Assuming no issues with the Nightmare, of course)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utsuko View Post
    There is nothing silly. It's even a very good thing, it's the first time that they integrate a relevant element on the long term in an extension. That's literally what a lot of people want. It's not a bunch of neurotics attached to the past and traditions of Warcraft III who will have an opinion with a little hindsight...
    Is this your first expansion or something? The wrath gate set the tone for the forsaken going forward and started the first proper war since WC3, cata was cata and needs no explanation, mop shook up the factions gave the alliance a high king stopped the conflict in ashenvale and gave the horde Azara, ect ect ect.

    Almost every expan has integrated long term changes and most of them did it without disregarding almost all history and lore around a race and there home land.

    This is a fucking awful idea only shadowed by other awful ones since shadowlands.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    The new city being through a portal to the Dream would make it pretty defensible, to say the least.

    (Assuming no issues with the Nightmare, of course)
    That's one bold assumption.

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    Relocating the Nelves from their ancestral homelands to some islands they have no connection to, and that probably just to use it as a mcguffin for Vyranoth to go after, is an insanely moronic thing.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arafal View Post
    Relocating the Nelves from their ancestral homelands to some islands they have no connection to, and that probably just to use it as a mcguffin for Vyranoth to go after, is an insanely moronic thing.
    They are THE Life race, and the Dragons are majority-rules also a Life species (Red and Green) on the closest thing to the Life Island. It does make some sense even if the lore isn't there outside of the connection between Greens and Nelves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utsuko View Post
    We obviously don't have the same definition of the word relevance.
    Are you going back to the Cataclysm zones yourself? Do you often go back to Pandaria? Or in Draenor? Or at Legion?
    Putting the new world tree in the Dragon Isles, and therefore making their new capital there, makes the expansion relevant in the long run since it is a story that goes beyond the Dragon Isles and integrates directly into Azeroth, forming a whole.
    Yes the previous expansions have progressed the story, congratulations captain obvious. but all became obsolete the following extension.
    Oh Sweet summer child.

    there not make it some where we will return to regularly just like they didn’t give us Gilneas back even though the horde left it or use the order hall or the Vindicator once legion ended.
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