1. #4721
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkarath View Post
    Come on, Varodoc. Dragons and Old Gods are linked. One cannot live without the other in WoW lore. In fact, I think that Old Gods have been present in one way or another in every WoW expansion, except in WoD, maybe?
    Quote Originally Posted by Nebron View Post
    Wow, this sounds a little bit like an ego-boost to be honest
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    Also, looks like there's a disappointingly simple but retrospectively obvious solution to that tabard mystery from a while ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utsuko View Post
    Otherwise I'm quite surprised for the bad Chromie, I didn't expect it. Obviously, it looks like Nozdormu and Galakrond will be there. To see what they have in store for us.
    I'm excited for Nozdormu. Couldn't care less for Chromie; she's a perfectly fine side-character, but insufferably saccharine in large doses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    Wrong, Murozond was created by the Old Gods when they revealed to Nozdormu his own doom and manipulated him. Murozond and his Infinite Dragonflight are just puppets of the Old Gods and that is why they were trying to usher in the End Times in Cataclysm, a timeline in which the Old Gods are triumphant and wipe out all life on the planet with their Hour of Twilight.
    Nozrdormu was shown his death by Aman'Thul when he first got his powers and was trying to bring about the end time because it was a better future then what ever else he had seen.
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  3. #4723
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Kind of surprised that Bronze seems to be the Megadungeon but it should be really fun and it does mean the ending of the expansion will be a little more interesting than LOL MUROZOND/GALAKROND.

    I assume Galakrond will pop up in the Bronze dungeon, but I guess Iridikron could rezz him somehow.
    I am also very surprised if this is the case. I expected 10.3 to be all about Murozond and the Infinite Dragonflight plus Iridikron doing nasty stuff. That they are wrapping up Nozdormu's fate in a minor patch when he has been the protagonist of the pre-expansion videos along with Emberthal... veeeeery unexpected, at least for me.

    I hope that this does not mean that we are not getting a 10.3.

    I think that Dracthyr are way more important than we think. We still do not know which is their secret. Why are they so dangerous? We might get the answer to that secret in 10.1, but it could have consequences unresolved until 10.3. We will see.

    Also, what if Galakrond escapes the timelines and come to our Azeroth? The Scourge is pretty much done at this point after Shadowlands. It does not have the appeal that once have. We need a new undead threat. Galakrond would be a perfect fit to be the leader of this new ''DECAY'' thing that they are foreshadowing. He could escape to Northrend and ''contaminate'' the remaining Scourge with Decay, making a new army of the undead.
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    The Sons of Hodir tabard ending up a WotLK classic thing is amusing, I had to laugh.

  5. #4725
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkarath View Post
    I am also very surprised if this is the case. I expected 10.3 to be all about Murozond and the Infinite Dragonflight plus Iridikron doing nasty stuff. That they are wrapping up Nozdormu's fate in a minor patch when he has been the protagonist of the pre-expansion videos along with Emberthal... veeeeery unexpected, at least for me.

    I hope that this does not mean that we are not getting a 10.3.

    I think that Dracthyr are way more important than we think. We still do not know which is their secret. Why are they so dangerous? We might get the answer to that secret in 10.1, but it could have consequences unresolved until 10.3. We will see.

    Also, what if Galakrond escapes the timelines and come to our Azeroth? The Scourge is pretty much done at this point after Shadowlands. It does not have the appeal that once have. We need a new undead threat. Galakrond would be a perfect fit to be the leader of this new ''DECAY'' thing that they are foreshadowing. He could escape to Northrend and ''contaminate'' the remaining Scourge with Decay, making a new army of the undead.
    I think Galakrond will either appear in the Megadungeon or the last patch, but not both. He's definitely tied to Decay/Undeath in some way, while being Old God corrupted officially now, so he doesn't HAVE to be in the time dungeon.

    Maybe after the tree patch in the Dream, it turns to a Spirit vs Decay kind of thing? Iridikron could become the Incarnate of Decay and that's how we pivot away from the base elemental theme at the end/mirror Galakrond. Also lets us get some Primalist allies because it would be the Dragons and good spirit-based allies vs Decay. Also could lead to the Nathrezim appearing again (which leads to Lothraxion?)

  6. #4726
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Along with every sentient creature in the Milky Way Galaxy, and one small pebble somewhere on a beach in South Africa.
    Yeah, this is about on "the sun will rise after the night" level of prediction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    I think Galakrond will either appear in the Megadungeon or the last patch, but not both. He's definitely tied to Decay/Undeath in some way, while being Old God corrupted officially now, so he doesn't HAVE to be in the time dungeon.

    Maybe after the tree patch in the Dream, it turns to a Spirit vs Decay kind of thing? Iridikron could become the Incarnate of Decay and that's how we pivot away from the base elemental theme at the end/mirror Galakrond. Also lets us get some Primalist allies because it would be the Dragons and good spirit-based allies vs Decay. Also could lead to the Nathrezim appearing again (which leads to Lothraxion?)
    Galak in Megadungeon is a waste of his power level. One of the Primalists would be better.
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  8. #4728
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I don't really know. I was hoping for Dragon Isles to recapture the world building of MoP. And they did make the effort, especially with the Maruuk. But it just did not land for me. It lacks the whimsy of Halfhill, the Renown questlines don't have the impact of the Klaxxi attacking the Heart of Fear or the zone wide battle vs the Mogu in the Vale or even the end of the Shado Pan questline with the black drakes. It is a vast land but it somehow feels disconnected; Pandaria had a unifying theme with a variety of clear east Asian influences in the architecture, the landscape and the music that Dragon Isles lack. And most importantly there was a wealth of new lore that somehow managed to click right in place in the old lore without being disruptive. Dragon Isles just doesn't talk about the past; the Tuskar and Maruuk almost seem transient and we get so little information on what the Dragons and their servants did in the isles and what happened in these 10k years. Honestly the only point were I felt invested in the story because it was tying well with the world of Azeroth is with Veritastrasz (sp?). It's not even that it is shallow. The Maruuk have so much detail. But they feel like someone made a table of clans and just added one element on each column (role, character, favourite color, favored combat style)

    It might just be me.
    Couldn't have said it better myself.

    Another issue with the Dragon Isles is that they aren't interesting to explore. You travelled through the Jade Forest and it felt like a real place. There were villages everywhere. There were houses by the road. There were Lorewalkers and traders walking down the road from town to town. There were little stone monuments that you could mouse over and read about people or events from the past. There were scrolls you could click on and read lore on. The place felt real, alive. The Dragon Isles don't have Pandaria's micro level of detail that made it immersive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    I think you've hit the nail on the head. Mist left a big positive mark despite having bland three first raids and no mm+, etc. because of how the world looks and how rich a history it has. Its denizens have extensive lore and ties to races we've known, and we're discovering more and it makes sense. They've even managed to explain why the land was hidden and make it a compelling story.
    I think another issue why Pandaria was compelling was that there was tension. You first visit Pandaria as the front of a world war. Then you leave that narrative for a time and get to meet the people, find out about them, begin to care about them. Then the war comes back into the narrative and imperils those people. And then the threat of the Sha and the Mogu and the Yaungol and the Zandalari and the Mantid are thrown on top, and you become very motivated to protect Pandaria. There is a sense of urgency.

    There is no such threat or urgency in the Dragon Isles. The Horde and the Alliance do not send armies to fight the Primalists, but instead send boy scouts to go leisurely camping and rock climbing and taking photographs. If Azeroth's two leading superpowers do not take the antagonists seriously, why should I? The game does not endear me to the inhabitants of the Dragon Isles like Pandaria did. The other threats - the evil centaurs and gnolls - aren't threatening like the Yaungol or the Mantid or Mogu or Zandalari were built up to be either. There is no tension, nothing that wants me to keep playing and find out what happens next and if anyone I cared about gets hurt.

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    As for the whining about AI art... "AI art will put artists out of work!" you have it backwards. We already have a society of bad art and no good artists. The reason why "AI art" is a phenomena now is because most modern artists are awful. Academia spent 100 years destroying art. You need to teach people how to create good art again before you can complain about the machine creating better art. Good artists like Michael Whelan are very rare and it is very difficult to find them, which is why they are booked months in advance and are expensive to contract. That's why the book industry shifted to using photoshopped book covers. The book industry has accepted that it is okay to not have art. AI art (remixing preexisting graphics) is functionally no different than photoshopped book covers, which we already have now.

    The whining about AI art now is superfluous. Most of the paying gigs have either been using it already for composition purposes or were replaced by stock photos many years ago (see: photoshopped book covers). The job opportunities at the moment are the same as it was before. You just need to be really, really good to stand out above the crowd to get a gig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Dang, this video just dropped a few bombs about upcoming lore...

    https://youtu.be/Qo12dBwqNYQ

    - Nozdormu and Muruzond story coming up, along with "evil Chromie"
    "Evil Chromie"? Are they implying that Eternus is Chromie? He was a completely different character. Neither behaved like Chromie at all nor even look like Chromie. He even has completely different horns, and has neck spines that Chromie does not. His foot structure is also different, with his middle claws being the biggest while Chromie's claw size goes down the further from the body they are. His scales are also different. Also missing a nose on the horn, and if he had lost it there would have been a noticeable scar. They're not the same dragon at all.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Galakrond.
    Perhaps we travel back in time and get to participate in the battle against Galakrond? Would be cool if it was done in the style of a GW2 meta event against the humongous Elder Dragons, with the raid having to mount up and split to different positions on his body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkarath View Post
    I am the only one dreaming about Galakrond's visage? How absolutely and insanely cool would that be?
    The drakes who rejected the gift of the Titans should not turn into humanoids at all. They should be proud that they are big drakes and remain as such.

  9. #4729
    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    I think CoT-like megadungeon is the most likely outcome. Especially with the technology they have now, basically running through a whole myriad of timelines but in a single dungeon would be a lot fun.
    I'd love this so much. Especially if they use this opportunity to randomize the boss rooms. So instead of a linear path from A to Z, you pass through a door and you're thrown into some "random" point in the timeline (say, 1 out of 14 possible outcomes or something). It would, imo, really freshen up the pace of a dungeon. If they were super brave, they could even have fewer "boss slots" than available bosses, so you may only fight 14 random bosses out of 18 available ones or something, each run.

    This is also a great opportunity to have loot from different eras and locations. Throw in a couple of Titan-themed relics from the time of Galakrond, maybe a few Night Elf weapons from the War of the Ancients, and why not some cool Troll-themed mount from pre-history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    "Evil Chromie"? Are they implying that Eternus is Chromie? He was a completely different character. Neither behaved like Chromie at all nor even look like Chromie. He even has completely different horns, and has neck spines that Chromie does not. His foot structure is also different, with his middle claws being the biggest while Chromie's claw size goes down the further from the body they are. His scales are also different. Also missing a nose on the horn, and if he had lost it there would have been a noticeable scar. They're not the same dragon at all.
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    They called evil Chromie "Morchie", not sure if that was a joke based on how they named Muruzond, or if it's the actual name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Yeah, this is about on "the sun will rise after the night" level of prediction.
    Kind of.

    I've been making these bold "The Old Gods are behind it all!" threads on various forums for the past couple of years, and I'm humble enough to admit that when I do, I always borrow material from the public discourse and fragments of theories already taking shape within the community. It's basically impossible to be "first" with any idea, despite how much the likes of Bellular and T&E like to suggest they often are.

  10. #4730
    Quote Originally Posted by Val the Moofia Boss View Post
    "Evil Chromie"? Are they implying that Eternus is Chromie? He was a completely different character. Neither behaved like Chromie at all nor even look like Chromie. He even has completely different horns, and has neck spines that Chromie does not. His foot structure is also different, with his middle claws being the biggest while Chromie's claw size goes down the further from the body they are. His scales are also different. Also missing a nose on the horn, and if he had lost it there would have been a noticeable scar. They're not the same dragon at all.

    The drakes who rejected the gift of the Titans should not turn into humanoids at all. They should be proud that they are big drakes and remain as such.
    Chromie is not Eternus. Evil Chromie is Morchie. It is stated in the video.

    The Incarnates have visage forms. Kind of humanoid. Why Galakrond would not have one?
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  11. #4731
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Based on speculation from twitter I think this is going to be the Netherflight, as apparently there is a Blue Dragon connected to them that hasn't been seen in a while and the Blue story is encrypted. It could easily be the Storm Drakes as well and connected to the encrypted Tyr questline.
    Ooh, sounds exciting!

  12. #4732
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    I'm excited for Nozdormu. Couldn't care less for Chromie; she's a perfectly fine side-character, but insufferably saccharine in large doses.
    I shall dub her Monochromie the Dimensionless!

    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    They called evil Chromie "Morchie", not sure if that was a joke based on how they named Muruzond, or if it's the actual name.
    Most likely a joke. The name is to silly to work in the context. Though i could see Chromie calling her alter ego that.

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    By the way, I'm pretty sure they said they had committed to 6 content patches in Dragonflight in the video.

    So...

    10.0.5
    10.0.7
    10.1
    10.1.5
    10.1.7
    10.2

    I'm no Einstein, but that makes 6.

    That said, based on the patch cadence and so on, these patches will all arrive during 2023, which, going by normal standards, is just the first half of the expansion. More likely to be announced at BlizzCon, which coincides with the announcement of the next expansion.

    We've got BlizzCon in November, where they will likely announce the 10th expansion, and celebrate WoW's 20th anniversary.

    I'm gonna DO IT. I'm going to pull nonsense out of my behind for fun!

    - 10.0.7 sets up 10.1.
    - 10.1 is about the BLACK flight in Zaralek Cavern (below the Obsidian Citadel and accessed through a nearby hole in the ground)
    - 10.1.5 is a minor story about the BRONZE flight in the timeways (accessed from the Temporal Conflux)
    - 10.1.7 sets up 10.2.
    - 10.2 is about the GREEN flight in the Emerald Dream (accessed through a portal atop the new World Tree)
    - 10.2.5 is a minor story about the BLUE flight in some Titan/Order-related magical place (accessed in Vakthros or around the Azure Archives)
    - 10.2.7 sets up 10.3
    - 10.3 is about the RED flight and is set on AZEROTH (Kalimdor and Eastern Kingdoms), because the Queen of Dragons will be instrumental in RESTORING THE WORLD after its corruption in 10.2.7, mirroring what she did in the Dragonflight launch cinematic as entire forests grew in her path

    10.3 arrives in the spring of 2024, giving players plenty of time to play around with the new "baseline" World of Warcraft experience before 11.0 takes us to the other side of the world later in the year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    I shall dub her Monochromie the Dimensionless!
    That's clever. I like it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Most likely a joke. The name is to silly to work in the context. Though i could see Chromie calling her alter ego that.
    That's my feeling. Likely a joke about Murozond's anagram name.

  15. #4735
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Based on speculation from twitter I think this is going to be the Netherflight, as apparently there is a Blue Dragon connected to them that hasn't been seen in a while and the Blue story is encrypted. It could easily be the Storm Drakes as well and connected to the encrypted Tyr questline.
    Oh they remembered Tyrigosa?

  16. #4736
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    10.3 arrives in the spring of 2024, giving players plenty of time to play around with the new "baseline" World of Warcraft experience before 11.0 takes us to the other side of the world later in the year.
    I'm not exactly confident about the likelihood of a world revamp coming in a .3 patch without the subsequent expansion focusing primarily on it.

  17. #4737
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkarath View Post
    I do not see Fyrakk being defeated in a megadungeon or in a quest. I think that the Incarnates will survive DF, not all of them, but at least one. Having Galakrond defeated in a megadungeon would be pretty weird too, so I wonder what the hell will they do with him.
    The last chapter of the Embers of Neltharion campaign is titled "A Flame, Extinguished." It may be referencing Sarkareth, but the blurb I've found seems to indicate the campaign takes place post-Abberus ("While you have defeated many of the threats within Aberrus, some still linger."), though that same blurb also kind of indicates that there's still something within Aberrus too.

    Still, I'm suspecting Fyrakk goes down in the campaign.

    (Unless we already know what goes on there, but as far as I can see there's nothing known yet)

  18. #4738
    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    I'm not exactly confident about the likelihood of a world revamp coming in a .3 patch without the subsequent expansion focusing primarily on it.
    While I don't think a revamp would have a patch, a revamp could be included in an expansion that doesn't thematically focus on it. There still have to be new zones (even if EK/Kalimdor is altered/updated) and there aren't any undiscovered/hidden areas outside of North Lordaeron... so that could be the western stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiivar86 View Post
    The last chapter of the Embers of Neltharion campaign is titled "A Flame, Extinguished." It may be referencing Sarkareth, but the blurb I've found seems to indicate the campaign takes place post-Abberus ("While you have defeated many of the threats within Aberrus, some still linger."), though that same blurb also kind of indicates that there's still something within Aberrus too.

    Still, I'm suspecting Fyrakk goes down in the campaign.

    (Unless we already know what goes on there, but as far as I can see there's nothing known yet)
    Fyrakk got a model of his visage form and he doesn't appear in the campaign, I think it's likely that it appears in the finale and the three main Black Dragons + Emberthal have to work together to kill him (because the players get the killshot on Sarkareth).

  19. #4739
    In the future Turalyon will most likely be used as "a man who suddenly goes against the demands of the force he's supposed to obey to the letter by the stereotype", like when he's ordered by the Light to do smth horribly oppressive (in context) or offensive to the people of Stormwind, he's gonna go "I refuse".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zers Editor View Post
    In the future Turalyon will most likely be used as "a man who suddenly goes against the demands of the force he's supposed to obey to the letter by the stereotype", like when he's ordered by the Light to do smth horribly oppressive (in context) or offensive to the people of Stormwind, he's gonna go "I refuse".
    I think that is how it's going to go, unless they go the angle that Lothraxion (his comrade in arms) manipulates him to go along with it. Would be nice if they twist it otherwise though.

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