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    Quote Originally Posted by Black Rider View Post
    Cool.
    Thanks!
    Any dungeon hints in DF files?
    Not sure, I haven't checked. I'm sure someone would have picked it up by now if there were, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    I like the idea of class skins, but Tinkers being a Druid skin would be a little bit of a stretch imo.
    I mean I get that. It's just, the way I imagine it, the base class itself just means numbers and gameplay. Everything else from spell effects, character animations, spell icons, spell names, talent names, form models, etc would be changed. So because I've always envisioned a tinker as a class with many roles (tank, dps, healer) and with different forms (using some sort of robot vehicles like Mekkatorque or a tech outfit like Gazlowe), I went with druid. I don't see it as an extension of the base class, but as an opportunity to create completely new class fantasies. If we were expanding pre existing classes with new specs or something, tinker would probably be better using hunter or rogues I guess. But my idea wasn't in that direction.

    Maybe it'd be difficult to reinterpret something like balance with tinker, because mechanically it plays by balancing two types of spells. Maybe something like balancing goblin and gnome engineering ? ahaha idk

  3. #5123
    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    Yeah, probably better named as "areas" as zones implies a certain size. I do feel like they both 'sound' like zone sized areas.
    Avaloren could easily be a new continent as well, though. Khaz Algar sounds more like a zone.

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    With regards to retrofitting old mounts to Dragonriding, if it comes down to it I don't see why they couldn't just forgo any new animation work and just apply the mechanics and flying SFX. Maybe adding those animations in could be a longer term animation project, but I don't think they'd want designing unique animations for niche mounts like the profession ones to be their sole roadblock for this implementation.

  5. #5125
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    I like the idea of class skins, but Tinkers being a Druid skin would be a little bit of a stretch imo.
    I can see the lore connection issue, but (game) mechanically i can see how they'd fit. Though i think something like Thorncallers and other race based specialisations would work better. They already do it on a form level anyway.

    However, it seems Blizzard is neither interested in nor fully grasping the concept, so i wouldn't get to invested.

  6. #5126
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Avaloren could easily be a new continent as well, though. Khaz Algar sounds more like a zone.
    Agreed, Avaloren has more of either a .3 zone or continent vibe to it. I think it will either be the Zereth Mortis of DF, or 11.0 at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utsuko View Post
    I must have missed it, but where did Khaz Algar and Avaloren mention in Dragonflight?
    In the books that drop from the Uldaman dungeon.

  8. #5128
    Quote Originally Posted by Hugnomo View Post
    In the books that drop from the Uldaman dungeon.
    More specificially, Avaloren was mentioned in an after-action report of a failed attempt to invade it. Which according to the report was a rather common outcome.

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    I don't think any of the hints left in 10.0.7 and 10.0 were for anything but setting up later expansions.

    Obviously, its' hard to tell with the emergence of the possibility that all the time travel shenanigans is settled in the Megadungeon. But, again we see what the Megadungeon is next week and that will at least alleviate a lot of the current issues about knowing what trajectory and where we are going next is.

    I'm going to be honest, currently there's no real clarity on the narrative which is kind of cool and feels fresh coming from this franchise. So I am not complaining that there isn't clarity in the present.

    Obviously the Raid Cinematic can also do something in terms of moving us in a direction too. But, I think its more centralized storyline than anything like a void pivot.
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    I much prefer the lack of a centralized narrative in MMOs. It makes them feel like actual worlds with different things going on within them rather than a manifested design space that only exists to service the narrative. I would love to see more expansions that focus on exploring the world rather than hinging all their bets on a single story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    I much prefer the lack of a centralized narrative in MMOs.
    *shrugs*
    Considering the quality of the writing I'm sure Blizz would love hearing this. All the quicker to forget about narrative loose ends and lore altogether.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    Datamining? What's that?
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    I love the idea of Bronze shenanigans in his expansion altering the classic timeline, creating new content expansions for classic instead of continuing on through past expansions. That’s exactly the kind of game changing announcement I could see happening at Blizzcon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    I much prefer the lack of a centralized narrative in MMOs. It makes them feel like actual worlds with different things going on within them rather than a manifested design space that only exists to service the narrative. I would love to see more expansions that focus on exploring the world rather than hinging all their bets on a single story.
    Couldn't agree more... it would make the world feel more alive. It's probably harder to "brand" and monetise, which is why they stick to the theme park expansion narrative I guess? I don't think they'd do a good job at maintaining smaller narratives though, seeing how many loose ends they already have with the current state of affairs.

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  14. #5134
    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    Datamining? What's that?
    That was back in ye olde dayes when we send the child slaves pre-qualified contract workers into the datamines to produce juicy tidbits for us to complain and yell about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marlamin View Post
    Datamining? What's that?
    Heard its about mining cryptocurrency n shit, dunno.

    On a related note: did anything ever come from that datamined Dragonblight Map that had Galakronds bones removed? Considering the latest confirmation that Galakrond will return in some form...Cause I dont remember if that was used for anything so far.
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    I still have no idea in what format Galakrond will come back. I just don't see how Blizzard would make a massive raid boss work as an encounter and I don't want a repeat of Madness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I still have no idea in what format Galakrond will come back. I just don't see how Blizzard would make a massive raid boss work as an encounter and I don't want a repeat of Madness.
    They did it with N'zoth Carapace. We were fighting a small part of it while his body was towering in the distance. Alternatively, they could go ham with the idea and make us go inside of him for an encounter or two.
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    Galakrond's Inside Story? Sure.

    I don't know, it will be really funny if the Galakrond return is just in the Megadungeon and all the hype about this expansion is just spammed into the Megadungeon leaving everyone hyper confused. (Murozond plotline completed .)

    That's obviously the worst case scenario and hell there's still a chance the Megadungeon is Fyrakk/Vyranoth related.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Houle View Post
    On a related note: did anything ever come from that datamined Dragonblight Map that had Galakronds bones removed? Considering the latest confirmation that Galakrond will return in some form...Cause I dont remember if that was used for anything so far.
    Not that I know of, but wouldn't be surprised if it ended up being tangentially related, either them exploring what they could do with Galakrond or as an early blockout for whatever we'll be seeing in the time-wimey content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I still have no idea in what format Galakrond will come back. I just don't see how Blizzard would make a massive raid boss work as an encounter and I don't want a repeat of Madness.
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