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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    But that's inaccurate.

    The prison is a stasis chamber / prison created using the powers of the Titans, channeled through / wielded by the Dragon Aspects - their champions on Azeroth.

    Nothing is for certain, but it is very fishy that Blizzard choses one of those prisons as a logo to go along with the title "The Last Titan", which refers to Azeroth historically.

    We've also heard a ton of hints and quotes over the recent years suggesting that (1) the Titans are kind of arrogant and single-minded, and (2) the Old Gods have already corrupted the worldsoul long ago. We also know from before that the Titans' go to method when all else fails is: IMPRISON THAT THING.
    I can use the power from Nikola Tesla to go lock some one up right now, That doesn't mean Tesla had any thing to do with it or point to him locking people up to.

    and it's not fishy at all as its likely meant to be about the main bad guy who was in said prison.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Have a look around the Vault of the Incarnates, then.
    Which wasn't built by the Titans and may not be what those things are actually meant for. I'm starting to get the feeling you have memory issues.

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    This is the biggest problem with this saga. We aren't getting answers for ages.

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    Here's what I think is one possibility, although nothing is for certain:

    1. Aggramar discovers Azeroth, notices it is infested by the Old Gods. Alerts his buddies of the Pantheon.
    2. Titans arrive, fight the Old Gods, decide the best way to do it is by imprisoning them.
    3. Titans find out Azeroth is too far gone, decide to put her in stasis while they figure out what to do. She's not allowed to wake up and become Voidy.
    4. Keepers and titanforged are created to order Azeroth, and then the Dragon Aspects are created to protect it. All children of the Titans, using their power.
    5. The Aspects do what their creators did to resolve issues. They put the Incarnates and the Dracthyr in stasis/prison, with Titan runes all over it.
    6. N'Zoth puts a little finger in the corner of his mouth and goes "Hmm, I think I want to turn the Titans' children against them. Lets open their eyes to the truth."
    7. Xal'atath goes "nah, brother. I will be the one to claim the worldsoul and usher in our masters, not you!" before colluding with Azshara to make it so.
    8. N'Zoth goes "heehee, I'm still lurking in the blade".
    9. Xal'atath does a bunch of stuff, heroes of Azeroth eventually answer the Radiant Song of the worldsoul and realise she's being kept in chains, more or less.
    10. Heroes of Azeroth have tough choices to make.

  5. #58065
    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    This is the biggest problem with this saga. We aren't getting answers for ages.
    You're just gonna be angry about the very obvious answers anyway.

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    Oh and a funny coincidence. The new wild god, Q'onzu.

    One of his questions to the player:

    What imprisons, but also protects?

    The right answer ends up being: Stasis.

    Foreshadowing, much?

  7. #58067
    Bruh, the denial that TLT's logo is 1:1 replica of the damn prison that held Iridikron is insane.

    It's right there!



    Christ Metzen: And there, you will uncover a vast conspiracy, one that stretches throughout the history of the world. One that will challenge everything you know about the titans, their intentions and the true nature of Azeroth itself.

    Azeroth is not an unborn Titan. She's a prisoner.

  8. #58068
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Here's what I think is one possibility, although nothing is for certain:

    1. Aggramar discovers Azeroth, notices it is infested by the Old Gods. Alerts his buddies of the Pantheon.
    2. Titans arrive, fight the Old Gods, decide the best way to do it is by imprisoning them.
    3. Titans find out Azeroth is too far gone, decide to put her in stasis while they figure out what to do. She's not allowed to wake up and become Voidy.
    4. Keepers and titanforged are created to order Azeroth, and then the Dragon Aspects are created to protect it. All children of the Titans, using their power.
    5. The Aspects do what their creators did to resolve issues. They put the Incarnates and the Dracthyr in stasis/prison, with Titan runes all over it.
    6. N'Zoth puts a little finger in the corner of his mouth and goes "Hmm, I think I want to turn the Titans' children against them. Lets open their eyes to the truth."
    7. Xal'atath goes "nah, brother. I will be the one to claim the worldsoul and usher in our masters, not you!" before colluding with Azshara to make it so.
    8. N'Zoth goes "heehee, I'm still lurking in the blade".
    9. Xal'atath does a bunch of stuff, heroes of Azeroth eventually answer the Radiant Song of the worldsoul and realise she's being kept in chains, more or less.
    10. Heroes of Azeroth have tough choices to make.
    N'Zoth/Xal'atath rivalry should continue in the Worldsoul saga.

    Xal'atath clearly saw N'Zoth as a rival because all Old Gods want to be the one who gets to corrupt and control the World Soul.

    Xal'atath made an alliance with Queen Azshara who then betrayed N'Zoth.

    The rivalry should continue in the Worldsoul saga with N'Zoth coming back in Blade form and serving as an advisor/helper against Xal'atath. I can already imagine the sassy voiceline delivery.

    "Heroes of Azeroth have touch choices to make"

    One of these choices: Do we trust Blade N'Zoth and his counsel to thwart Xal'atath's plans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Bruh, the denial that TLT's logo is 1:1 replica of the damn prison that held Iridikron is insane.

    It's right there!

    Christ Metzen: And there, you will uncover a vast conspiracy, one that stretches throughout the history of the world. One that will challenge everything you know about the titans, their intentions and the true nature of Azeroth itself.

    Azeroth is not an unborn Titan. She's a prisoner.
    And maybe she's a prisoner for a good reason.

    The Primal Incarnates are batshit insane monsters and deserving of prison, so maybe Titans are still the good guys and it's Azeroth who is actually the threat.
    The illustrious Alliance of Stormwind is driven by tradition, nobility, and faith. They are staunch defenders of justice and duty who protect the realm of Azeroth against any aggressors, including the savage Horde. In a time when chaos and uncertainty reign, the Alliance remains steadfast in its determination to illuminate the darkest corners of the world and preserve order in Azeroth.
    — Blizzard Entertainment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    The Dawn of the Infinite cutscene was really exciting because my takeaway was "cool, we have a direct narrative line to the end of this expansion. Iridikron summons the Harbinger. We fight the Harbinger & Iridirkon because the Titans can't come because they're busy with Sargeras" but then this is my least favorite narrative convention, the "actually we're not going to resolve this now even though we could. We're going to resolve this several years from now" is what they're actually doing. In that sense the World Soul Saga is really 4 expansions long, including Dragonflight.

    The most dangerous thing is give your fans several years to headcanon better endings to your storyline. They're making the same mistake Steven Moffat did writing Doctor Who & Sherlock.
    Only in the sense an egg is a prison for a chicken. Though I do suspect it's more like Azeroth is a tree & the Titans want to turn it into a chair, metaphorically. Like, a planet is a world soul's natural state: And the First ones extracted them & turned them into the Titans/eternal ones.
    The only thing we 100% know for sure when it comes to Titans and how they are made is what came from the thousand years war. Argus had memories of before time (which means before any ordering of reality) and sought out heat then a planet formed around him.

    No titan tech was used to bring the first titan to life and he had no knowledge of the first ones because according to current lore the Titans believe themselves to be the creators.

    We know Order magic transforms beings.
    We also know that multiple members of the pantheon have ties to other forces which gives the possibility that world souls aren't themselves Titans but instead like the blank slates from transformers that could turn either autobot or decepticon.

    Einar could have been originally a life aligned world soul

  10. #58070
    Quote Originally Posted by Varodoc View Post
    And maybe she's a prisoner for a good reason.

    The Primal Incarnates are batshit insane monsters and deserving of prison, so maybe Titans are still the good guys and it's Azeroth who is actually the threat.
    Well I'm not saying she is or she isn't. Just find it funny that people are in denial about whole thing. The logos are very specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    Oh and a funny coincidence. The new wild god, Q'onzu.

    One of his questions to the player:

    What imprisons, but also protects?

    The right answer ends up being: Stasis.

    Foreshadowing, much?
    So, Azeroth is imprisoned, but it's for her own protection. Perhaps she was put into stasis the moment before her birth. Perhaps she was going to be born as a Void Titan, and the Titans needed to buy time in order to cleanse her.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KyleEverett View Post
    Big news is 3 minor patches next year before 11.0, Fated will have no raid affix
    Huh? The raid Affix was the only reason to repeat the content.
    “They should know what to look forward to in 2024."
    Then they probably should have covered some of that at blizzcon. I'm shocked that a powerpoint presentation & the shortest cinematic ever was the extent of retail footage they had to offer.
    “So it's really just more, let's bring all three raids back in rotation. Let's bring all of the Dragonflight dungeons back as a Dragonflight seasonal Mythic Plus pool and close out the season that way.”
    Everything Ion says is shockingly bad idea. My guild really liked the new affixes. Why are we being nostalgic for content we just had less than a year ago? The theme for season 4 being "nothing new" makes me think he has to be trolling.
    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    So, Azeroth is imprisoned, but it's for her own protection. Perhaps she was put into stasis the moment before her birth. Perhaps she was going to be born as a Void Titan, and the Titans needed to buy time in order to cleanse her.
    That would be wild considering the Titans spent 100,000 years doing nothing.

  13. #58073
    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    So, Azeroth is imprisoned, but it's for her own protection. Perhaps she was put into stasis the moment before her birth. Perhaps she was going to be born as a Void Titan, and the Titans needed to buy time in order to cleanse her.
    Or perhaps the Titans aren't as good as we thought.

  14. #58074
    Yeah.

    I remain open minded as to what the Titans' intentions were.

    Did they place her in stasis to protect her and keep her in check, like parents grounding and unruly child?

    Did they simply imprison her because Old God corruption was too extensive, or because they wanted to force-feed her with Order magic?

    Is she neither imprisoned nor put in stasis, and is the logo referring to future events?

    Is the logo merely referring to Iridikron, possibly a major antagonist in 13.0?

    Who knows. But I lean towards the first one, because that just seems to line up so well with contemporary Titan lore.

  15. #58075
    I'm still going to guess that it's not "Titans/Keeper bad" and more "SOME of them are liars because reasons" with maaaaybe a couple "some of them have selfish intentions and need to be put down" (Odyn, maybe Aman'thul)

    Ironically if Aman'thul is the big big bad then he could even be what Zovaal was prepping against.

  16. #58076
    Quote Originally Posted by Merryck View Post
    So, Azeroth is imprisoned, but it's for her own protection. Perhaps she was put into stasis the moment before her birth. Perhaps she was going to be born as a Void Titan, and the Titans needed to buy time in order to cleanse her.
    Yeah, I think she's put in stasis to be more precise. Some form of it, anyway. She dreams, and through the dreams is able to commune. But she can't wake up. She just persists through the ages. She can bleed and she can heal, but not awaken.

    So the Titans wanted to keep it that way for the time being, while the Old Gods want to finish what they had begun and awaken her as a Void thingie.

    I'm sure we will continue exploring questions of: "is it right?" and the nature of free will in the story ahead, as suggested by Alexstrasza and her dealings with rebels and Vyranoth in 11.0.

  17. #58077
    Quote Originally Posted by Worldshaper View Post
    3. Titans find out Azeroth is too far gone, decide to put her in stasis while they figure out what to do. She's not allowed to wake up and become Voidy.
    Congratulations, you just rendered every prior Sargeras & Old god plot irrelevant. Turns out Azeroth was already corrupted the whole time. Enjoy Classic.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    Ironically if Aman'thul is the big big bad then he could even be what Zovaal was prepping against.
    This is like "somehow palpatine returned" but worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paula Deen View Post
    I say it while actively farming bloody tokens >_>

    Edit: To keep this post kinda on topic.

    The only time in the history of the game I was surprised by a lore developments were the end of Tomb of Sargeras and Argus. I about shit my pants when I saw that cinematic for the first time and the Sword too.
    And when Sylvanas broke the crown shattering the sky. I dont think many people saw that coming tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitei View Post
    The real wild part is gonna be when the tree materializes into the middle of the ruins of Lordaeron.
    Nobody expects the Emerald Inquisition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticdoll View Post
    10.2.5 and tree talk is getting boring here's my prediction for midnight

    Quel Danas is the final leveling zone, it is now a lot bigger and is now all void coloured and the Sunwell acts as the ice crown of this expansion the final raid where we face off against Xhal

    Eversong looks the same but is graphically updated and is now under Naga control

    Ghostlands are graphically updated and has void necromancers and nerubians

    zulaman is a full-on zone with trolls allied with the void

    the area behind Strathholme is now a hub until we reclaim Silvermoon

    12.0 raid is troll-focused

    12.1 we get a new underground Naga zone and a battle for Silvermoon raid that starts in the Naga caverns and we work our way up to Silvermoon black temple style

    12.2 we travel to Karesh and enter the Queldanas raid through the portal created in the Sunwell that is connected to Karesh
    That actually sounds really cool imo.

  19. #58079
    Or maybe the Titans arrive, find the world soul is significantly corrupted and THEN they imprison Azeroth during TLT because they think that if she wakes up, she will be a Void Titan.

    Which makes perfect sense.

  20. #58080
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Christ Metzen: And there, you will uncover a vast conspiracy, one that stretches throughout the history of the world. One that will challenge everything you know about the titans, their intentions and the true nature of Azeroth itself.

    Azeroth is not an unborn Titan. She's a prisoner.
    This wouldn't challenge what I think I know about the Titans, their intentions or the nature of Azeroth. It would be directly in line with the narrative they've been going with ever since the Chronicle was hamfistedly retconned.

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