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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Last i looked, Tauren and Mulgore are a legitimate race and location. In fact, they were so even before Pandaria. It's also one of the icons of the franchise. By your own logic, that makes him a non-joke character.
    He is also in Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm, further things Teriz has used in the past as "proof" that something will be added to WoW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    And it's derailed, again.
    I think talking about adding new specs or classes in the next expac is not a derailment though? It's part of speculation. Imo if Support DPS proves viable with Augmentation then next xpac should add at least a few more options to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Last i looked, Tauren and Mulgore are a legitimate race and location. In fact, they were so even before Pandaria. It's also one of the icons of the franchise. By your own logic, that makes him a non-joke character.
    Except there is no contingent of head banging Tauren in Thunderbluff who kill animals with guitars, and hold rock concerts while smiting quillboars.

    Meanwhile, the Pandaren and Pandaria were home to brewmasters and Pandaren martial arts, and we knew that before WoW was even released.

    That’s the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    He is also in Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm, further things Teriz has used in the past as "proof" that something will be added to WoW.
    Only in conjunction with WoW lore. For example, I can use Gazlowe in HotS as a basis for Tinkers because Gazlowe is a major WoW character, and his HotS abilities have appeared in WoW. Also blizzard has made it quite clear that Tinkers are a major part of Goblin and Gnome lore.

    While the Hearthstone expansion certainly expanded the concept of the ETC, you can’t translate the Festival of Legends expansion into a viable WoW expansion. It’s far too over the top and silly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    He is also in Hearthstone and Heroes of the Storm, further things Teriz has used in the past as "proof" that something will be added to WoW.

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    I think talking about adding new specs or classes in the next expac is not a derailment though? It's part of speculation. Imo if Support DPS proves viable with Augmentation then next xpac should add at least a few more options to it.
    I agree that talking about future specs does fit in this thread but we've done the Bard discussion way to many times and it derails a thread. Every. Single. Time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    I agree that talking about future specs does fit in this thread but we've done the Bard discussion way to many times and it derails a thread. Every. Single. Time.
    Because there are Bard die-heads who simply won’t let that concept go despite Blizzard indicating for years that such a class doesn’t fit the game.

    At this point, I would argue that the Explorer Class
    has a better shot at becoming a class than a traditional Bard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hansworst View Post
    I agree that talking about future specs does fit in this thread but we've done the Bard discussion way to many times and it derails a thread. Every. Single. Time.
    I'd say what derails the thread is more specific than that but what can we do. Anyway, a small number of support specs added to the game to different classes seems like a good idea if Augmentation works and it does not constrain the theme of the next xpac.

    Hoping next week we will be able to test the dungeon or at least the time rifts; if we can test the dungeon then we should get some solid clues for future content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I'd say what derails the thread is more specific than that but what can we do. Anyway, a small number of support specs added to the game to different classes seems like a good idea if Augmentation works and it does not constrain the theme of the next xpac.

    Hoping next week we will be able to test the dungeon or at least the time rifts; if we can test the dungeon then we should get some solid clues for future content.
    I doubt we're going to see a new class for a few expansions at least. Rejigging specs seems more likely. Development in recent years has made it obvious that Blizzard doesn't really like classes having multiple specs with the same basic role.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Because there are Bard die-heads who simply won’t let that concept go despite Blizzard indicating for years that such a class doesn’t fit the game.

    At this point, I would argue that the *redacted*
    has a better shot at becoming a class than a traditional Bard.
    And there's you, replying to every single one of them, only to promote your own fanfic class concepts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Utsuko View Post
    I'm extremely afraid of triggering Varodoc, but there are many references to N'zoth in Aberrus:

    https://twitter.com/MorisDreadvale/s...93175974641666
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Because there are Bard die-heads who simply won’t let that concept go despite Blizzard indicating for years that such a class doesn’t fit the game.

    At this point, I would argue that the [fanfic explorer] Class
    has a better shot at becoming a class than a traditional Bard.
    Ah yes, the [insert fanfic class] with no basis in lore has a better shot at becoming a class than something common in most RPGs that exists in WoW via ETC and Blight Boar.
    (And Hearthstone and Hots)

    Don’t get me wrong, I personally doubt Bard will happen as a fully fledged class anytime soon. I don’t see blizzard making an expansion that would match the Bard’s themes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Ah yes, the [insert fanfic class] with no basis in lore has a better shot at becoming a class than something common in most RPGs that exists in WoW via ETC and Blight Boar.
    (And Hearthstone and Hots)

    Don’t get me wrong, I personally doubt Bard will happen as a fully fledged class anytime soon. I don’t see blizzard making an expansion that would match the Bard’s themes.
    While i'm loathe to take his side in this: You do realise that tinker has miles more lore basis than bard at present, right?

    ETC isn't involved in meaningful combat and blight boar is purely a joke character in lorewise dubious area of the game in the form of the darkmoon faire. I mean after N'zoth's surfacing that place would have been burnt go the ground given its obvious (and in hearthstone acknowledged) connection to the old gods.

    Tinkers on the other hand have had implicit and explicit presence in the games since WC3, from the alchemist hero unit to goblin shredders and the plentiful machinery on the alliance side.
    Other major factions have featured its themes strongly too, from the Legion in TBC and Legion to Ulduar's Mimiron, and arguably the iron horde too. Then of course there is the entire city of gnomeregan, and perhaps even the forsaken apothecaries too.
    And that's all before BfA came along, showcasing Mechagon and Gallywix vs. the gnome king and his robot army, complete with mech suit shenanigans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loras View Post
    While i'm loathe to take his side in this: You do realise that tinker has miles more lore basis than bard at present, right?

    ETC isn't involved in meaningful combat and blight boar is purely a joke character in lorewise dubious area of the game in the form of the darkmoon faire. I mean after N'zoth's surfacing that place would have been burnt go the ground given its obvious (and in hearthstone acknowledged) connection to the old gods.

    Tinkers on the other hand have had implicit and explicit presence in the games since WC3, from the alchemist hero unit to goblin shredders and the plentiful machinery on the alliance side.
    Other major factions have featured its themes strongly too, from the Legion in TBC and Legion to Ulduar's Mimiron, and arguably the iron horde too. Then of course there is the entire city of gnomeregan, and perhaps even the forsaken apothecaries too.
    And that's all before BfA came along, showcasing Mechagon and Gallywix vs. the gnome king and his robot army, complete with mech suit shenanigans.
    He isn’t talking about Tinker.
    He’s talking about some “explorer” class.

    Everybody and their mothers know about Tinkers and their place in lore especially after BfA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Ah yes, the [insert fanfic class] with no basis in lore has a better shot at becoming a class than something common in most RPGs that exists in WoW via ETC and Blight Boar.
    (And Hearthstone and Hots)

    Don’t get me wrong, I personally doubt Bard will happen as a fully fledged class anytime soon. I don’t see blizzard making an expansion that would match the Bard’s themes.
    Uh Reno Jackson, Sir Finley, Starseeker, Brann, and Rafaam are all characters in WoW. As is the League of Explorers. You could even slap them into an expansion theme involving Avaloren or some other lost landmass where we use their expertise to uncover some world saving secret, whereas Rafaam tries to use it to do something dastardly.

    That’s far more lore than what Bards have. Hell, we could have an Explorer class in 11.0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    See if it is just an additional spec, it doesn't need nearly the same set up that a new class does. It even has many mog options (Antorus rogue tier is pretty much Bard mog). As for the reasoning, I'd assume it would be added specs to multiple classes. Not necessarily ALL of them but easily 2-4 new specs added to classes other than druid.
    There's good evidence going both ways. I'm generally partial to the idea that they'd fit best as a specialization simply on account of the fact they'd need an expansion theme conducive to their addition if they were to be a class, and because it would be easiest to limit them entirely to a support role if they were a specialization designed to fill that role, but anything can happen now that Dracthyr exist.

    Quote Originally Posted by loras View Post
    While i'm loathe to take his side in this: You do realise that tinker has miles more lore basis than bard at present, right?

    ETC isn't involved in meaningful combat and blight boar is purely a joke character in lorewise dubious area of the game in the form of the darkmoon faire. I mean after N'zoth's surfacing that place would have been burnt go the ground given its obvious (and in hearthstone acknowledged) connection to the old gods.
    I definitely doubt that a Bard class would manifest referencing either of those precedents; Teriz is definitely incorrect in assuming that a class could be ever be released based on that particular theming. I figure that if there is a Bard class, it would have to emerge as a wholly new entity akin to the Evokers than from the alleged basis existing in those two gaggles of joke characters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Uh Reno Jackson, Sir Finley, Starseeker, Brann, and Rafaam are all characters in WoW. As is the League of Explorers. You could even slap them into an expansion theme involving Avaloren or some other lost landmass where we use their expertise to uncover some world saving secret, whereas Rafaam tries to use it to do something dastardly.
    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Uh Reno Jackson, Sir Finley, Starseeker, Brann, and Rafaam are all characters in WoW. As is the League of Explorers. You could even slap them into an expansion theme involving Avaloren or some other lost landmass where we use their expertise to uncover some world saving secret, whereas Rafaam tries to use it to do something dastardly.

    That’s far more lore than what Bards have. Hell, we could have an Explorer class in 11.0.
    We're explorers already. That's not a class. It's more of a profession.

    Quote Originally Posted by Le Conceptuel View Post
    I definitely doubt that a Bard class would manifest referencing either of those precedents; Teriz is definitely incorrect in assuming that a class could be ever be released based on that particular theming. I figure that if there is a Bard class, it would have to emerge as a wholly new entity akin to the Evokers than from the alleged basis existing in those two gaggles of joke characters.
    Eh, i'd argue a Bard that doesn't dabble at least a little in Metal doesn't belong in WarCraft. Definitely not exclusively, but it'd be just as unfitting to not have it at all.

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    Again, the Evoker basis in lore comes from Chromatic dragons, the aspects, visages, the dragon isles, and other aspects of dragon lore.

    Bards have nothing like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Eh, i'd argue a Bard that doesn't dabble at least a little in Metal doesn't belong in WarCraft. Definitely not exclusively, but it'd be just as unfitting to not have it at all.
    I simply figure it would be a tad too silly and immersion-breaking. To risk circumstantial ad hominem, I figure Teriz is suggesting it precisely because it would make his preferred class look more suitable to the setting by comparison; to be exceptionally fair to him, I think all of his misguided efforts to falsely eliminate other prospects are ultimately superfluous because Tinkers do have strong basis in the lore and a fair chance of being made a class. Unfortunately, much like what happened with the Augmentation specialization, I think some have been made unfairly averse to the idea simply on account of Teriz running it into the ground.

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    Let's not derail this into yet another fight over potential new classes, as while this thread is about future speculation, that topic tends to suck all the air out of the proverbial room and has enough dedicated other threads already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    if we do explore the Dream, how much of the Dream will we explore in 10.2?
    Why are people so certain we will have Emerald Dream Content in Dragonflight, the Dream hasn't even been mentioned. (It hasn't. Ardenweald is not the Dream. Worldtrees don't even appear in the Dream because none of them appeared on Azeroth without mortal intervention. People keep insisting it has but it hasn't.)
    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    "Lead the way, Emberthal." Yeah, she's pretty much confirmed as Aspect.
    That makes a lot of sense, but I'm pretty sure you have to be a dragon to be an aspect. A full-fledged dragon, not an offshoot like Drakthyr are. I don't think Drakthyr can even lay eggs.
    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Again, the Evoker basis in lore comes from Chromatic dragons, the aspects, visages, the dragon isles, and other aspects of dragon lore.

    Bards have nothing like that.
    Elite Tauren Cheiftan predates all that dragon lore. None of the aspects were even a thing until long after Warcraft's first band was introduced. You like to make these big absolutist statements while always missing a big obvious detail. The latest class only "comes from" that existing lore in a tangential way: Evoker's "prismatic dragons" have nothing to do with "chromatic dragons" and were invented wholesale for this expansion.
    Quote Originally Posted by loras View Post
    ETC isn't involved in meaningful combat and blight boar is purely a joke character in lorewise dubious area of the game in the form of the darkmoon faire. I mean after N'zoth's surfacing that place would have been burnt go the ground given its obvious (and in hearthstone acknowledged) connection to the old gods.
    ETC was a playable recruit hero in W3; Like Brewmaster & Dark Ranger. And if you want to acknowledge hearthstone expansion lore as a positive you might want to look at what the theme for the latest one is. (It's bards.)
    Quote Originally Posted by Cosmicpreds View Post
    You cab reference Old Gods without actually having them. None of this means N'Zoth is physically still active or so.
    N'zoth appears only in the Time Rifts, so speaking of joke characters, how does it feel to have the worst of the Old Gods being reduced to a joke character?

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    So here is a concept.
    What if 10.3's zone was in Avaloren with most of the continent hidden. You'd have the raid and everything in a part of a new continent that is OUTSIDE whatever shield is covering that place. The raid would be about preventing Iridikron and/or Murozond from getting inside but at the end of the raid the shield would be damaged and in the pre expansion event we would be taking the shield down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Why are people so certain we will have Emerald Dream Content in Dragonflight, the Dream hasn't even been mentioned. (It hasn't. Ardenweald is not the Dream. Worldtrees don't even appear in the Dream because none of them appeared on Azeroth without mortal intervention. People keep insisting it has but it hasn't.)
    I would say this is a fair point. Unless I am mistaken, everyone is basing this off a datamined item we don't even know is from Dragonflight. It could just as easily be from a theoretical cut content patch in Shadowlands.

    The only thing the theory really has going for it is the whole Koroleth storyline. Which basically went no where. But we do know the Primalist wanted access to the Emerald Dream for reasons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    So here is a concept.
    What if 10.3's zone was in Avaloren with most of the continent hidden. You'd have the raid and everything in a part of a new continent that is OUTSIDE whatever shield is covering that place. The raid would be about preventing Iridikron and/or Murozond from getting inside but at the end of the raid the shield would be damaged and in the pre expansion event we would be taking the shield down.
    I think its going to be something like this. Only probably a titan facility or Khaz Algar that Iridikron tunnels too underground. Expansion concludes with us trying to figure a way to breach the surface of Avaloren.
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