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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Yeah I think we can expect 10.2 on October 11 the latest? So that we have at least seen the raid end AND RWF is over.
    Yeah, I expect 10.2 very early October. Blizzard seems to like magic 22 week raid tier from Legion, recently Sepulcher lasted 22 weeks and Vault 21 weeks.

    Bigger question is existence of 10.3, but that will be answered on 10.2 reveal as usual. I think it depends from 11.0 release date, we know Blizz can be really quick and efficient with Alpha/Beta now, so it could release even on Summer - in that case 10.3 isn't really needed, bonus S4 and small patches would cover gap. But if 10.3 exist and Blizzard doesn't want to waste time for it on Blizzcon, they could always reveal it after race is done as appetizer like back in BfA.

    Quote Originally Posted by Foreign Exchange Ztudent View Post
    Wonder when they reveal the 2024 Roadmap, do you think they reveal it around the same time as 10.2 Reveal and leave Blizzcon for the Expansion Reveal or do you think we'll see the 2024 Roadmap at Blizzcon together with the new expansion reveal?
    After last thing from 2023 is completed, they always update roadmap with each patch. So yeah, could be Blizzcon, I think 10.2 is last patch for this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Khaza-R View Post
    Dragonflight leak season was pretty dismissal outside of the Empire of Dragons fake.

    Hopefully there's a little more quality put into the leaks this season.
    Idk, a little before the announcement we saw a still from the cinematic and had Dracthyr Evoker leaked.
    I think I remember even seeing screenshots of a Dracthyr that wasn’t on the press release that everyone (myself included) thought it was fake and was from a scalie server lol. I think the model was unfinished because of the wing clipping, which is why we thought it was fake.

    But I guarantee that we’ll see a real leak, but it’ll get lost in the sea of AI generated fakes. (Or VERY well made fakes like the infamous 8.3 “undead siege of Stormwind” leak….
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The AI art will really confuse things indeed. It used to be that the best indication that a leak had legs was art or a logo. Well now any leaker who gives a shit can have art and a logo.
    Logo might be tricky to figure out but any art with hands showing will be a dead giveaway. AI art hands are terrifying.
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    Logo might be tricky to figure out but any art with hands showing will be a dead giveaway. AI art hands are terrifying.
    They keep getting better.

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    10.2 will be the end with Dream vs Decay unless they extend things into Tyr vs Iridkron (and maybe Odyn too)

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    I’m predicting 11.0 Yrel invasion with Ogres and Arrakoa as the new races. Probably kick off on Avaloreon (sp?).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    I’m predicting 11.0 Yrel invasion with Ogres and Arrakoa as the new races. Probably kick off on Avaloreon (sp?).
    Tbh the “Yrel Invasion” theory makes no sense.
    The way to/from Draenor has been sealed and the artifact used for it is gone.
    Besides the whole “light bad” idea is cringe and only exists to SuBvErT ExPeCtAtIoNs.

    A void invasion with the Shadowguard & void Ethereals would make more sense given all they’ve been doing/setting up on Azeroth since the Void Elf scenario. (And all the void hints since forever)

    Playable Ethereals would be pretty dope, they could be from The Protectorate, Consortium, or Etherium/Shadowguard rebels (like Locus-Walker)

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    Also there’s that Rafaam model that was datamined but still hasn’t shown up. I thought he would’ve been tied to Galakrond but since he’s being dealt with in the megadungeon idk.

    Maybe he’ll be the link to the Void/Shadowguard invasion. Possibly as the true leader behind The Shadowguard/void Ethereals?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    The AI art will really confuse things indeed. It used to be that the best indication that a leak had legs was art or a logo. Well now any leaker who gives a shit can have art and a logo.
    It'll probably the same issue as always; "Leaks" will be way over-detailed and focused on the wrong things. "AI" is good for generating large quantities of stuff, but it has no capability for understanding what actually makes it work, and neither do the "leakers".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Tbh the “Yrel Invasion” theory makes no sense.
    The way to/from Draenor has been sealed and the artifact used for it is gone.
    Besides the whole “light bad” idea is cringe and only exists to SuBvErT ExPeCtAtIoNs.
    Yrel and the Naaru that she serves could easily find another route to Azeroth. That isn’t a problem at all.

    Also “ Light is Bad” is a good way to introduce a fracture in the alliance, since Turalyon and the Draenei could sympathize with Yrel.

    A void invasion with the Shadowguard & void Ethereals would make more sense given all they’ve been doing/setting up on Azeroth since the Void Elf scenario. (And all the void hints since forever)

    Playable Ethereals would be pretty dope, they could be from The Protectorate, Consortium, or Etherium/Shadowguard rebels (like Locus-Walker)

    I really don’t think people want to deal with more Shadow stuff after Shadowlands.

    Also I doubt Blizzard would do another neutral race after the Dracthyr. Ogres and Arrakoa are very popular options that could actually go to the factions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Tbh the “Yrel Invasion” theory makes no sense.
    The way to/from Draenor has been sealed and the artifact used for it is gone.
    Besides the whole “light bad” idea is cringe and only exists to SuBvErT ExPeCtAtIoNs.
    I'd say it's less "Light bad" and more "Light has independent motivations that may not align with ours at all times". Same for the other 5. "Light bad" is just as one-dimensional as "Light good", and the latter is just as cringe.

    But Draenor might not even exist anymore at this point.

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    Cringe is not the word I would use for Yrel's turn. Just kinda out there and random. Same with "Light is good" not really cringe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    But Draenor might not even exist anymore at this point.
    Which facilitates Arrakoa and Ogres fleeing a dying Draenor and taking refuge on MU Azeroth. Yrel follows them with her army, and you got your expansion.

    She would make a good antagonist, because unlike Sylvanas, her motivations would be very clear from the beginning, and she wouldn’t be pulling BS powers out of her hat to move the plot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Yrel and the Naaru that she serves could easily find another route to Azeroth
    Not in any way that’d make sense. Neither are known for any form of time travel.

    Also “ Light is Bad” is a good way to introduce a fracture in the alliance, since Turalyon and the Draenei could sympathize with Yrel.
    There’s no reason for there to be a fracture in the alliance.
    And given Velen’s arc, especially in Legion, there’s no chance he’d ever side with the “bad light”

    I really don’t think people want to deal with more Shadow stuff after Shadowlands.
    I disagree. Nobody seems to have an issue with the void stuff in 10.1, people seem to like it if anything.
    The speculation for the void chains in Abberus is one example.
    (Plus death ≠ void)

    Also I doubt Blizzard would do another neutral race after the Dracthyr. Ogres and Arrakoa are very popular options that could actually go to the factions
    Ethereals wouldn’t have to be a neutral race.
    Naga can be the other race to go with them given we know they’ll probably resurface again when Azshara returns from the void. (As was hinted in 10.0.7)
    The only reason why Naga weren’t added in Vanilla was the concern of “how would Naga wear boots”, but given the Mechagnomes and Dracthyr, the solution to that problem is clear.

    There’s almost no shot that Ogres are going to happen. If there was a possibility for them to happen they would have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Teriz View Post
    Which facilitates Arrakoa and Ogres fleeing a dying Draenor and taking refuge on MU Azeroth. Yrel follows them with her army, and you got your expansion.
    No, it doesn't. You're thinking of Draenor fading. I'm talking about it being one step further already. I.e. there's no Arrakoa, Ogres or Yrel to go anywhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    But Draenor might not even exist anymore at this point.
    One can only hope.

    Honestly I would much rather have an expansion take place on some long lost pieces or MU Draenor or where ever those other dark portals led too, than have any more AU shenanigans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Ethereals wouldn’t have to be a neutral race.
    Naga can be the other race to go with them given we know they’ll probably resurface again when Azshara returns from the void. (As was hinted in 10.0.7)
    The only reason why Naga weren’t added in Vanilla was the concern of “how would Naga wear boots”, but given the Mechagnomes and Dracthyr, the solution to that problem is clear.

    There’s almost no shot that Ogres are going to happen. If there was a possibility for them to happen they would have.
    The argument is silly anyway. Dracthyr are the second "neutral" race coming in the wake of Blizzard de-emphasising faction segregation as something that affects player interaction. If anything, chances of races being available to both sides are going up, not down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    No, it doesn't. You're thinking of Draenor fading. I'm talking about it being one step further already. I.e. there's no Arrakoa, Ogres or Yrel to go anywhere.
    True.
    Besides, Draenor was dying by the time we see it.
    With how time worked on Draenor 2 years on Azeroth was several decades.

    Canonically it’s been 6-7 years on Azeroth since then, so who knows how many hundreds of years it was for Draenor so Draenor would be completely dead by now.
    That’s if the timeline wasn’t completely wiped when the path to Draenor was closed forever.
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    Some people are really trying to stretch for conflict in the Alliance like stop it. Lets not repeat BFA and MoP(The tear the x faction apart cause reasons and make fans suffer).


    I disagree. Nobody seems to have an issue with the void stuff in 10.1, people seem to like it if anything.
    The speculation for the void chains in Abberus is one example.
    (Plus death ≠ void)
    Eventually we will have to deal with it in a big way but its good to poke at it every 2 years or so. Not that people are tired of the Void. Like its barely touched on in such ways that Death was or say the Legion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    Not in any way that’d make sense. Neither are known for any form of time travel.
    Neither was Garrosh. He got ported there by a Bronze Dragon. Evil Chromie could make it happen as a final middle finger for stopping their plans. It's really as simple as that.

    There’s no reason for there to be a fracture in the alliance.
    And given Velen’s arc, especially in Legion, there’s no chance he’d ever side with the “bad light”
    That's the thing though, they're not "bad", they're simply fanatical, which is only bad depending on your perspective. To Yrel she's doing the greater good by turning everyone to the light in order to save them from the Void. To some (possibly Turalyon and the LF Draenei) that isn't a terrible thing, given the horrors they saw with the Legion.

    I disagree. Nobody seems to have an issue with the void stuff in 10.1, people seem to like it if anything.
    The speculation for the void chains in Abberus is one example.
    (Plus death ≠ void)
    Yeah, because we're not dealing with it constantly like we did in 8.3 and in Shadowlands.

    And to a casual gamer (the majority of WoW's audience) they're not going to see the difference between Void and Death. They'll just see more gloomy colors and lots of shadow magic flying around. Heck, even the Ethereal were present in Shadowlands.

    Ethereals wouldn’t have to be a neutral race.
    Naga can be the other race to go with them given we know they’ll probably resurface again when Azshara returns from the void. (As was hinted in 10.0.7)
    The only reason why Naga weren’t added in Vanilla was the concern of “how would Naga wear boots”, but given the Mechagnomes and Dracthyr, the solution to that problem is clear.

    There’s almost no shot that Ogres are going to happen. If there was a possibility for them to happen they would have.
    Why weren't Naga added in BFA?

    As for Ogres, they just didn't have a good reason to be brought into the factions. With the Maghar Orcs joining the Horde in BFA via fleeing Yrel's army is a good precedence to fall back on, especially if Draenor is dying and they need a new home. Heck, even bring Rexxar into the mix to help out.

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