1. #6501
    Hope he and Merithra get somewhat better models. I assume they won't get a unique dragon model until they actually become Aspects.

  2. #6502
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    It's Ebyssian, to no ones surprise.

    Wrathion is gonna be his Diplomat and Sabellian his General.
    The latter are good choices in so far as it keeps the two more interesting ones as the front-facing figures and villain-bats neither.

    More importantly, it's over and Fyrakk is still alive. Good news for camp in the upcoming patches.

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    Ebyssian has that nose ring icon, so he's getting a new one. Merithra is a mistake, but I assume she'll still get one by 10.2.
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    Tinkers will be the next Class confirmed.

  3. #6503
    Quote Originally Posted by Nightshade711 View Post
    IF blizzard ever decides to do Tinkers in a future expansion, I wonder if they’d be restricted to Gnomes/Goblins or if they’d be open to all races.
    If they’re restricted to Gnomes/Goblins they could go all out and have them be in a mech suits most of the time, at least for one spec, and it can be around the size of a Tauren.
    I'm at the point where "tinker" probably should've been ingame from the beginning. Because I can't see how in the hell a Gnome can go hand-to-hand, toe-to-toe, with a Tauren, Orc, or any larger race.

    ...goblins don't exist to me.

  4. #6504
    Quote Originally Posted by Santandame View Post
    I see the announcement of Classic+ being here, and treated like a huge deal.
    The day they announce Classic+ is the day I agree that WoW is dead.
    But your duty to Azeroth is not yet complete. More is demanded of you... a price the living cannot pay.

  5. #6505
    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    It's Ebyssian, to no ones surprise.

    Wrathion is gonna be his Diplomat and Sabellian his General.
    Sabellian: I have a harem & rule like a Prussian king
    Wrathion: I've a secret police & committed multiple genocides & never really got called out on it
    Ebyssian: I don't have strong feelings about anything in particular (winner of the popular vote)

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    When I think of Avaloren, my first thoughts turn towards how we heard about it: an entry for Odyn about failed Titan Keeper expeditions to the continent. That tells me that the one thing we should not expect to see there is Titan architecture. If heretics from the Titans went there, they would have almost certainly been corrupted by whatever force was there before.

    Looking at the Warcraft cosmology chart, the other cosmic forces besides Order (which would've worked with the Titans) are Light, Shadow, Disorder, Life, and Death. We've already seen the realm of death and how it connects to Azeroth in the Shadowlands. We also have seen how Life is connected with Azeroth with the Emerald Dream. We have not fully seen how Light, Shadow, or Disorder would be connected with Azeroth, though we do have Shadow creatures in the Old Gods. If there were an actual connection to Disorder on Azeroth (a land or a race or whatnot), one has to imagine the Legion would've tried working with them this whole time. Perhaps it's due to the lack of a Disorder foothold on Azeroth that the Legion tried to invade so often.

    That leaves us with Light and Shadow, though we tend to see Shadow more as the Void. Well...funny thing about Light and Shadow, the cycle of the Na'aru shows us that one tends to become the other. They are two sides of the same coin, but two sides which cannot see each other. But both sides are patient. The Light sees a singular path and will wait eons to see that path come to fruition. The Shadow is more than happy to wait as long as it needs to, for in the end it consumes all.

    What does this mean for Avaloren? To me, that means that it is likely a foothold of Light. Given how the Old Gods were running rampant during the days of the Black Empire feuding with the elements, the Light would appear to be the most likely force to have a foothold we don't know about. There's a lot that a Light-based place could be, but I suspect it will involve tall architecture with lots of golden designs. Something like a Camelot could be appropriate here or perhaps something akin to the Crystarium from FFXIV, but I see Light being the base style behind the design choices.
    Why would they be corrupted by some force? Besides the implication that "corruption" is just a word from the Titan-forged referring to anything that doesn't explicitly align with the will of the Titans, simply disagreeing with Odyn & Tyr doesn't mean you're corrupted: Loken rebelled as well & he was not corrupted by old gods or demons.

    Considering Odyn wanted to exterminate the mortal races for the curse of flesh, rebelling against that is not "bad" & I would hope we would sympathize with those heretics. Considering they may be the only reason the playable races of WoW exist at all.
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    God them making ebon horn the aspects is such forced garbage.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    leave it to blizzard to write something that is both boring and forced at the same time.

    If the writing has to be at least make it fun. The jailer was unironically better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    It's Ebyssian, to no ones surprise.

    Wrathion is gonna be his Diplomat and Sabellian his General.
    How disappointingly arbitrary.

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    WoW has had formulaic and basic storytelling for most of its life, and the experimental stuff (Nelf tree/playable faction is evil/gods are robots) was reviled.

    This is just a return to form.

  10. #6510
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post
    Sabellian: I have a harem & rule like a Prussian king
    Wrathion: I've a secret police & committed multiple genocides & never really got called out on it
    Ebyssian: I don't have strong feelings about anything in particular (winner of the popular vote)

    Cool American Democracy
    i agree that a genocidal Prussian king with a harem and secret police who gets away with it should be president

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    WoW has had formulaic and basic storytelling for most of its life, and the experimental stuff (Nelf tree/playable faction is evil/gods are robots) was reviled.

    This is just a return to form.
    At least it was cool. this crap is boring af

  12. #6512
    It's a bit shit that the Centrist-boring choice gets the Aspect powers, but sure.

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    Classic+ is just stupid. Not gonna apologize for favoring the future then just looking at the past(Classic).
    #TeamLegion #UnderEarthofAzerothexpansion plz #Arathor4Alliance #TeamNoBlueHorde

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    WoW has had formulaic and basic storytelling for most of its life, and the experimental stuff (Nelf tree/playable faction is evil/gods are robots) was reviled.

    This is just a return to form.
    It being formulaic doesn’t mean it can’t be done good or bad and wow has been heavily on the bad side of things since late BFA.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cheezits View Post
    WoW has had formulaic and basic storytelling for most of its life, and the experimental stuff (Nelf tree/playable faction is evil/gods are robots) was reviled.

    This is just a return to form.
    It’s not even basic storytelling, though. You could have rolled the dice with the faces of all the notable black dragons and the result would be just as narratively legitimate as any other. Ebonhorn was selected by virtue of being present.

  16. #6516
    I for one am glad Ebonhorn is the aspect, because it means we finally have an aspect with a Horde connection (Kalec and in a way Merithra are the Alliance ones)
    Also nice to see someone that doesn't just have an elf or human as their visage form.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I'm at the point where "tinker" probably should've been ingame from the beginning. Because I can't see how in the hell a Gnome can go hand-to-hand, toe-to-toe, with a Tauren, Orc, or any larger race.

    ...goblins don't exist to me.
    Agreed. But it is always funny to me running around in BGs on my Gnome Fury Warrior.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    It's a bit shit that the Centrist-boring choice gets the Aspect powers, but sure.
    Yea.. also tauren model for a dragon visage.. quite lame.

    I had hoped sibellian would be it, but it was to obvious from the start. Maybe because the two rebels (wrathion and sibellian) passed on it, they will likely stick around in the future. Especially wrathion being the ambassador and I believe the Aspects will likely reside in their tower after df and stay there for a good while.

    Its fine I guess, is a good way of saying it. Its not to bad, but meh. I blame Baine for anything anytime, this is the right time. He gave such a good impression last couple of times.
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  19. #6519
    Quote Originally Posted by guro-tchai View Post
    i agree that a genocidal Prussian king with a harem and secret police who gets away with it should be president
    I was honestly expecting it to be Wrathion.

    Just because of how severely the game handwaves genocide if you're not a woman.

  20. #6520
    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Yea.. also tauren model for a dragon visage.. quite lame.
    That's lame, but yet another human isn't?

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