1. #65981
    What's interesting is, if they revamp Quel'thalas in Midnight, then obviously they'll have some sort of plan to also do the rest of Azeroth in future expansions.

    That means the end of the Worldsoul Saga might not be as much of a departure from old Azeroth as one might think.

    This, in turn, implies the other side of Azeroth or Avaloren might come in chunks, not as one big thing.

    So let's assume the report on Avaloren is a breadcrumb teaser meant to foreshadow events in TLT, just like A Song of the Depths and the Earthen report foreshadow TWW and Midnight.

    With that in mind, I could see Avaloren as the main setting for TLT. But heavily tied to Ulduar.

    Could it be that Avaloren is, after all, one of several other landmasses to the west (northwest, perhaps), relatively close to present day Northrend but still off the edges of our maps?

    Behind it might be even more landmasses, for example where Erinethria flew. But this one might be the closest.

    So the TLT landmass might consist of cleverly reused Northrend content, plus a new location. Rebuilding Northrend, if they wanted to, probably isn't hard assuming they're going with the Arathi Highlands approach (relatively empty, open space). But they could probably leave it unchanged as well, if for example they'd like to do something crazy - explode the continent as part of tvlhe story, or something.

    Avaloren, then, would be this location in the west, filled with "heretics" who wouldn't follow Odyn. A sort of island kingdom about the size of Kul Tiras, perhaps a bit bigger.

    The heretics could be the main Arathi kingdom, but we'll have to see. It'll be a story that challenges our perception of the Titans, for sure.

  2. #65982
    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    If it comes back it'll need something adjacent to Order Halls along with a revamp to not feel small.

    But I dunno... I love Dalaran. It's nice to have people hub in a familiar place. Valdrakken is beautiful, but it sucks knowing it'll be gone for good in 6 months. An adapting, modernly built Dalaran with a smaller ground hub according to the expansions rocks.
    I couldn't agree more: having Dalaran back for either TWW or TLT would be amazing, love that place

  3. #65983
    I want a floating, uprooted Ulduar akin to Hyrule Castle in Tears of the Kingdom, with Iridikrons lair underneath is.

    I fucking love floating structures.

    Hell, TotK-ify all of Northrend. Tear it up.

  4. #65984
    If I had to see Dalaran again, I wish it was scaled up. Shattrath, Suramar, Boralus all showed us a properly sized city with multiple districts and living space for people. Dalaran is tiny. It's better than the Shrines or Garrison but still very small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makorus View Post
    I want a floating, uprooted Ulduar akin to Hyrule Castle in Tears of the Kingdom, with Iridikrons lair underneath is.

    I fucking love floating structures.

    Hell, TotK-ify all of Northrend. Tear it up.
    Isn't Iridikrons lair implied to be beneath Icecrown?


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    Hopefully we'll get monstrosities like Galakrond wandering about the new Northrend as threats akin to Fel reavers on nitro crack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Usagi Senshi View Post
    Hopefully we'll get monstrosities like Galakrond wandering about the new Northrend as threats akin to Fel reavers on nitro crack.
    Still secretly dreaming of a "kaiju" 11.1 in which we travel across that underground sea in Hallowfall, and discover the tip of the sword in some vast chamber full of gargantuan monstrosities. In the middle, a massive Ancient One, pierced by the blade.

  8. #65988
    Quote Originally Posted by Raetary View Post
    Isn't Iridikrons lair implied to be beneath Icecrown?
    Either beneath the glacier or where Angrathar is supposed to be, if I'm understanding War of the Scaleborn correctly. Though it's tricky because Wyrmrest is actually not all that close to Icecrown in universe, it took the Primalists a bit of time to organize an attack.

  9. #65989
    Quote Originally Posted by SilverLion View Post
    Either beneath the glacier or where Angrathar is supposed to be, if I'm understanding War of the Scaleborn correctly. Though it's tricky because Wyrmrest is actually not all that close to Icecrown in universe, it took the Primalists a bit of time to organize an attack.
    Icecrown glacier partially melting and revealing Iridikrons lair would be a neat way to change things up and make Icecrown less Scourge focused.
    The world revamp dream will never die!

  10. #65990
    Quote Originally Posted by Sondrelk View Post
    Icecrown glacier partially melting and revealing Iridikrons lair would be a neat way to change things up and make Icecrown less Scourge focused.
    I unironically expect this to happen with how Iridikron is positioned as a baddie. His lair is a massive expansion of caves he carved himself, perfect for a raid.

  11. #65991
    There is no way they made Iridikrons Lair be underneath Northrend to not have it show up for the Northrend expansion.

  12. #65992
    Quote Originally Posted by SilverLion View Post
    I unironically expect this to happen with how Iridikron is positioned as a baddie. His lair is a massive expansion of caves he carved himself, perfect for a raid.
    Totally. Harrowsdeep just screams perfect raid material.

    I fully expect 12.0's first raid/patch to be a raid about Iridikron killing multiple members of the Pantheon. Maybe all of them!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lorgar Aurelian View Post
    Well until the unstable matter that makes up there body turns them into beings of pure entropy.
    Just versions of the same race.

    All came from high elves and that high elven look can still be achieved, even if you are a void elf. They are a version of the same race, just slightly altered. There isnt much else to it.
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  14. #65994
    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    Totally. Harrowsdeep just screams perfect raid material.

    I fully expect 12.0's first raid/patch to be a raid about Iridikron killing multiple members of the Pantheon. Maybe all of them!
    Or..a new hub as we join him in killing the titans

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    Quote Originally Posted by milkmustache View Post
    Totally. Harrowsdeep just screams perfect raid material.

    I fully expect 12.0's first raid/patch to be a raid about Iridikron killing multiple members of the Pantheon. Maybe all of them!
    And then sargeras comes along in the finale of the fight to show him what a true titan is and crush his dreams and hopes of killing them all as he crushes him into charred pebble.
    And maybe turn his lair into a volcano that would be cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scyth View Post
    Or..a new hub as we join him in killing the titans
    Yeah, people forget that Midnight is supposed to end with twist and we discover "deep conspiracy" in TLT. We can't tell now who will be enemy and who ally in the end.

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    I know it's minor, but since they are updating the character select screen with the camp, i hope they update the old core race backgrounds while they are at it.

    They desperately need a fresh coat of paint.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alanar View Post
    Just versions of the same race.

    All came from high elves and that high elven look can still be achieved, even if you are a void elf. They are a version of the same race, just slightly altered. There isnt much else to it.
    Your whole body turning into anti matter isn’t a slight alteration, hell it’s a bigger alteration then a night elf going from a bear to a twink when turning into a high elf.
    All I ever wanted was the truth. Remember those words as you read the ones that follow. I never set out to topple my father's kingdom of lies from a sense of misplaced pride. I never wanted to bleed the species to its marrow, reaving half the galaxy clean of human life in this bitter crusade. I never desired any of this, though I know the reasons for which it must be done. But all I ever wanted was the truth.

  19. #65999
    Quote Originally Posted by rainhard View Post
    And then sargeras comes along in the finale of the fight to show him what a true titan is and crush his dreams and hopes of killing them all as he crushes him into charred pebble.
    And maybe turn his lair into a volcano that would be cool.
    Illidan riding on Sargeras like Dr Strangelove

  20. #66000
    Just rewatched the BlizzCon opening ceremony again.

    Man, I'm so hyped for the Worldsoul Saga. It feels like they have a real plan for once, and I love it.

    There are so many things to look forward to, it's insane. To name a few:

    - Isle of Dorn looks amazing
    - Alleria's new look and story
    - Void Elf customisation
    - Arathi story and transmog
    - Hallowfall's airships and churches
    - Those roots in Azj-Kahet (world tree?)
    - New class/race combos must surely be coming
    - Frigging Warbands, man
    - Delves!!
    - High Elven reunification!
    - Quel'thalas in all its revamped glory
    - Forest Trolls?
    - Ulduar 2.0!
    - Sexy worldsoul
    - Hero Talents have so much potential
    - and mooore!

    If they end up giving us new character customisation (significant ones), new races for Paladins and Druids, player housing, playable Vrykul, true High Elves, and perhaps a HD refresh of Old World textures, then I'll never ask for anything ever again. It'll be peak WoW.

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