1. #68061
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    What we do know is that no other Force has its greater powers just walking around in the seventh, physical realm; they are all contained within their respective forces and it seems damn hard for them to get out. Void Lords cannot get out of the Void, we've never seen a Titan level creature of any of the other Forces around (Elune acts on the Physical realm but she has never fully manifested there) so why would Order be the exception and have its entire pantheon on the physical realm?
    Seeing as we encounter a genesaur on Khaz Algar, and their purpose on Draenor was to spread life uncontrollably, there could be new setups as life and light will be unleashed heavily in expansions follwing TLT (once order has run its course and they lose some of their control)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    Seeing as we encounter a genesaur on Khaz Algar, and their purpose on Draenor was to spread life uncontrollably, there could be new setups as life and light will be unleashed heavily in expansions follwing TLT (once order has run its course and they lose some of their control)
    Ofc they should. But nothing about a Genesaur screams Titan level to me. The only Titan-adjacent creatures we know of are the Void Lords, Elune and the Eternal Ones and none of them are walking around the physical realm where we are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Ofc they should. But nothing about a Genesaur screams Titan level to me. The only Titan-adjacent creatures we know of are the Void Lords, Elune and the Eternal Ones and none of them are walking around the physical realm where we are.
    Actually, I'm quite sure Sire Denathrius has left the Shadowlands for good. But yeah, Genesaurs seem to be Keeper level at most, alongside Wild Gods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    Seeing as we encounter a genesaur on Khaz Algar, and their purpose on Draenor was to spread life uncontrollably, there could be new setups as life and light will be unleashed heavily in expansions follwing TLT (once order has run its course and they lose some of their control)
    Also, for some reason, we seem to have native to Ardenweals Gorms as mounts. Now, it can be an improper labelling by WoWhead and this is some Nerubian stuff, but still:

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    I love how they expanded dynamic flight to almost every single flying mount.
    And the animations look really good too.

    I was expecting most of the non-winged mounts to be kept static only or be left for later, but nope, i can finally use my Lucid Nightmare!

    Quote Originally Posted by Skildar View Post
    Seeing as we encounter a genesaur on Khaz Algar
    Any link to that?

    I don't see any Genesaur models in any of the datamining.


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  6. #68066
    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Also, for some reason, we seem to have native to Ardenweals Gorms as mounts. Now, it can be an improper labelling by WoWhead and this is some Nerubian stuff, but still:

    It's improper labelling. They use the same rig as gorms but they're Nerubian cave borers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raetary View Post
    I love how they expanded dynamic flight to almost every single flying mount.
    And the animations look really good too.

    I was expecting most of the non-winged mounts to be kept static only or be left for later, but nope, i can finally use my Lucid Nightmare!
    This is a good example of a proper "fk it, let's do it" attitude.
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  8. #68068
    Quote Originally Posted by Raetary View Post
    Any link to that?

    I don't see any Genesaur models in any of the datamining.
    This video has one around 4 mins in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiel View Post
    Wonder if it's an actual one, or something using it's model (could be WIP replacement). Kinda random to put a Genesaur there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiel View Post
    Quite interesting.

    But it could also just be a placeholder model.
    It is afterall in the Ringing Deeps rather than near the Roots where they logically would be around.
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    Has Talanji been datamined ? She was seen in the some screenshot during Blizzcon iirc

  12. #68072
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Ofc they should. But nothing about a Genesaur screams Titan level to me. The only Titan-adjacent creatures we know of are the Void Lords, Elune and the Eternal Ones and none of them are walking around the physical realm where we are.
    I didn't mean that genesaure are titan level entities, I'm not even sure they're comparable to watchers/keepers.
    Like you've said before the counterparts to titans in other life,void, etc. are all bound to their own plane and are struggling to step into our reality. That barrier could be under the responsibility of Order, that wouldn't be unexpected.

    I'm diving into lore a bit too much for this thread but we will probbly get tidbits of lore from datamining so it's kind of inevitable that end up discussing the future of the narrative.
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  13. #68073
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Why does there need to be an order Pantheon. Why does each force need a Pantheon at all? This is just compulsively seeking patterns when there is no need for them. Death as a force served a very specific purpose so it had specific Eternals and realms made to serve specific tasks. I am sure all forces do have specific tasks they do to maintain the universe at large; Life likely will have some First One facility that generates souls and sends those souls to the physical realm. Perhaps Order maintains time (the ultimate expression of Order being the inviolability of time). But how each Force does that doesn't require them to be identical. Perhaps the greater power of Order is completely impersonal (e.g. would it not make sense if every creature we meet on that plane speaks with one voice because they all share one conscience? They are after all the very expression of Order)

    What we do know is that no other Force has its greater powers just walking around in the seventh, physical realm; they are all contained within their respective forces and it seems damn hard for them to get out. Void Lords cannot get out of the Void, we've never seen a Titan level creature of any of the other Forces around (Elune acts on the Physical realm but she has never fully manifested there) so why would Order be the exception and have its entire pantheon on the physical realm?
    Not every force needs a Pantheon, I'm just proposing that the First Ones were the first original "Titans" while the ones like Amun'thul, Eonar, and so on are the second iteration. It isn't too farfetched considering we fought copies of the Eternal Ones back in Sepulcher. Even then, I would still find it insane if they actually go this route.

    Though if you want me belief on it.
    One NPC from Zereth Mortis gave a hint about it.
    "Mortis. Lumen. Ordus. Rhythm and Structure."; "Vitae. Umbra. Tumult. Improvisation and Possibilities."
    Death, Light, and Order require structure to maintain themselves, this is why they need beings like the Titans, the Eternal Ones, and the Naaru in order manage their respective realms. They can't force change, but they can manipulate and control (Titans Ordering, the Lightbound, and Jailer's Domination Magic)

    While Life, Void, and Chaos (Fel) don't need pantheons or physical forms to maintain themselves by spreading their influence. They create new life on their own whether it's birthing Wild Gods, corrupting life forms into Demons with Fel, or transforming beings through the void.
    It's just a theory from headache induced mind, but that's my only explanation as for why some forces have pantheons and some don't. (And I'm not entirely confident about that theory.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Makabreska View Post
    Wonder if it's an actual one, or something using it's model (could be WIP replacement). Kinda random to put a Genesaur there.

    Definitely placeholder.. Like I recall during WoD's alpha, they wanted to create a race called the Fara (for Farahlon) but before they were scrapped, they had placeholder models of green stone Tol'vir as their stand-ins. This might be the same case here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valysar View Post
    Has Talanji been datamined ? She was seen in the some screenshot during Blizzcon iirc
    No, but seeing the Harronir she was likely just a placeholder too.


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  15. #68075
    Keep in mind when the Mag'har came to Azeroth, a bunch of the botani were teleported with them (alongside ogres, gronn and a bunch of other natives from Draenor) and we haven't seen them since.
    It's been years since then, the botani very likely could've spread and burrowed themselves inside Azeroth.

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    I guess he's not dead. That was close, I almost felt something.

  17. #68077
    Quote Originally Posted by Ersula View Post


    I guess he's not dead. That was close, I almost felt something.
    Only this is a DF order. So DF-timeline Khadgar needs a SAVIOR.
    And now I am imagining Khadgar performing "I need a Hero"

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    its also just a fake screenshot wowhead put together to illustrate it, you wont be making any gold from npc orders

  19. #68079
    Quote Originally Posted by Gregoronsen View Post
    its also just a fake screenshot wowhead put together to illustrate it, you wont be making any gold from npc orders
    Have they said this? Last I'd heard they'd specifically said they mentioned that the player ones would be more lucrative which somewhat implies that there's gold to be made from the NPC ones, just not a lot.

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    Isn't the alpha a bit too far behind for an autumn release? I personally didn't expect the zone to be so barebones with many things not implemented.

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