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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    Honestly I'd just like them to be mountain-sized crystals just floating in Light. Think Worldstone from Diablo.
    I... haven't played Diablo, so I had to look that up.
    It does sound like a good idea, but I think I'd rather have something a bit more anthromorphic lol
    I don't play WoW anymore smh.

  2. #6902
    Quote Originally Posted by huth View Post
    Well, that's what you get if you just skip through the quests. You're there because the Aspects invited you over. And you're coming as part of a research expedition, which explains the pictures and climbing. Most of the rest happened after we arrived on the Isles.
    Well Razsageth did escape before we got to the Isles. And the primal storms were happening before as well. So yeah, Alex mostly invited us to solve her mess for her.

    As for TBC the reason we go through the portal is in the pre-expansion event. The Legion was invading through Outland. Heck there is a sizeable Legion army right in front of the Dark Portal on Outland. And we absolutely had a reason to go to every raid but Hyjal. Karazhan we went cause Khadgar asked us to investigate, Gruul's lair is just a continuation of the Gronn hunting quests, Magtheridon's Lair is to stop the creation of fel orcs, Serpentshrine and Tempest Keep were because Vashj was enslaving all the locals and Kael almost blew up Netherstorm, Black Temple we went because Illidan's forces attacked Shattrath and because Akama asked for our help. Only Hyjal was weird in that Soridormi asks us to go inside and we did not actually find any disturbance unlike the other two cavern of times instances. I don't agree with the narrative choices made (but then again I'd have made all those people a separate Illidari faction led by Illidan with Kael, Vashj, Akama as racial leaders) but there was always a reason for what we were doing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LemonDemonGirl View Post
    I... haven't played Diablo, so I had to look that up.
    It does sound like a good idea, but I think I'd rather have something a bit more anthromorphic lol
    There is nothing anthropomorphic about the Naaru. I'd assume that whatever the Naaru came from made them in its image. Another option would be for the Pantheon of Light to be pure sound creatures. The most characteristic thing about the Naaru imo is the chime sounds they made. Take a page out of Tolkien and make the original force incorporeal and musical and then the Prime Naaru are those who gain physical form but in doing so are removed from the pure Light.
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    5 months and 1 week until Blizzcon, and ~3 months until this thread explodes.

    I'm starting to get excited.

  4. #6904
    Quote Originally Posted by Luck4 View Post
    5 months and 1 week until Blizzcon, and ~3 months until this thread explodes.

    I'm starting to get excited.
    I am trying to hype myself up for Avaloren. I felt that DF so far has failed to create the impact with World Building that Pandaria had but I am willing to give them another chance though I am unsure they've seen the dissonance. And it is clear to me from the Orc Heritage and Blue Dragonflight questlines that they understand how to do fanservice.
    That said, I need some kind of major upgrade on Evergreen systems (or better yet, Evergreen Timewalking) and imo at least part of it needs to be delivered during DF.

    Ofc the 10.2 story could redirect us to something else entirely. We still don't even know what Iridikron is planning.

  5. #6905
    Do you guys think there is a chance for mage tower like activity in the next patches?

    I think it would be easy to create boss fights for that type of content, since we deal with time travel stuff and something like that would keep player occupied for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheMizAwesome View Post
    Do you guys think there is a chance for mage tower like activity in the next patches?

    I think it would be easy to create boss fights for that type of content, since we deal with time travel stuff and something like that would keep player occupied for a long time.
    The Brawlpub is coming back, we know that much. They could repurpose that into challenging solo content. It is by its nature, lore and location evergreen. You can add and remove encounters as need be. It even has a social element to it. Only problem is it can get annoying to wait in line but they could change it so there is a public track that everyone gets to watch and a second way to queue for an instanced version.

  7. #6907
    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheMizAwesome View Post
    Do you guys think there is a chance for mage tower like activity in the next patches?

    I think it would be easy to create boss fights for that type of content, since we deal with time travel stuff and something like that would keep player occupied for a long time.
    I think that the evergreen Brawler's Guild that is coming could easily have Mage Tower kind of encounters.

    In general, I do not think that another Mage Tower is something that needs to happen right now. The improvement of evergreen systems like Archeology and especially Timewalking should be the focus. Many more players would engage with that type of content for years, as another Mage Tower would be just a one time thing.
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    I actually somehow missed the evergreen brawler's guild info, thanks for telling me.

    About timewalking i think they should add a lot more rewards to timewalking vendors that fit timewalking that is currently active, they added some things to legion vendor like aggramar shield but i think there could be a lot more interesting transmogs and mounts, that they have in their backlog.

    New timewalking raids would be also fun like ICC, BRF, HC, Throne of thunder etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheMizAwesome View Post
    I actually somehow missed the evergreen brawler's guild info, thanks for telling me.

    About timewalking i think they should add a lot more rewards to timewalking vendors that fit timewalking that is currently active, they added some things to legion vendor like aggramar shield but i think there could be a lot more interesting transmogs and mounts, that they have in their backlog.

    New timewalking raids would be also fun like ICC, BRF, HC, Throne of thunder etc.
    I wish they just expanded Timewalking so it is a full supplement to the current expansion season. So imagine that during each expansion's season, there is a concurrent Timewalking season. The related continent drops increased rewards, the dungeons added to the M+ rotation are all from that particular expansion, events/world quests are added for older expansions and one raid is also active, possibly adding an LFR and a Heroic TW version together with the normal one.
    Then if they never plan to do a World Revamp, they could divide the old world into a few content blocks, updated it visually only and form Timewalking Blocks from it as well. So there could be a Lordaeron Block with Zul'Aman, Scholomance, Scarlet Monastery and Stratholme (the last three updated into some new form better suited for M+) with Naxxramas and events like Southshore vs Tarren Mill world pvp objectives and pve cauldron runs in WPL.
    Heck you could have the Timewalking Season change twice during the expansion season for more variety and faster rotation.

  10. #6910
    Quote Originally Posted by ImTheMizAwesome View Post
    I actually somehow missed the evergreen brawler's guild info, thanks for telling me.

    About timewalking i think they should add a lot more rewards to timewalking vendors that fit timewalking that is currently active, they added some things to legion vendor like aggramar shield but i think there could be a lot more interesting transmogs and mounts, that they have in their backlog.

    New timewalking raids would be also fun like ICC, BRF, HC, Throne of thunder etc.
    Definitively they should add more rewards and more ways of gaining Timewalking currency. I think that they would do this with Timewalking zones, but Blizzard should add every old dungeon and raid to be playable as current content, rotating them every month or every few weeks.

    They have to encourage people to revisit the incredible amount of content that WoW has. I think that Archeology is key here. Ion has mentioned that they want to make something like a personal journal for the player. We could register there every boss, every type of mob, mounts, books, quests... With new lore passages for all of them, and of course new achievements and rewards.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I wish they just expanded Timewalking so it is a full supplement to the current expansion season. So imagine that during each expansion's season, there is a concurrent Timewalking season. The related continent drops increased rewards, the dungeons added to the M+ rotation are all from that particular expansion, events/world quests are added for older expansions and one raid is also active, possibly adding an LFR and a Heroic TW version together with the normal one.
    Then if they never plan to do a World Revamp, they could divide the old world into a few content blocks, updated it visually only and form Timewalking Blocks from it as well. So there could be a Lordaeron Block with Zul'Aman, Scholomance, Scarlet Monastery and Stratholme (the last three updated into some new form better suited for M+) with Naxxramas and events like Southshore vs Tarren Mill world pvp objectives and pve cauldron runs in WPL.
    Heck you could have the Timewalking Season change twice during the expansion season for more variety and faster rotation.
    Timewalking should rotate at least every month. I do not think that Timewalking seasons are necessary. Just improve the current system, add more rewards and incentives, throw there more dungeons and raids, and of course make them available more often.

    I would turn old raids into dungeons, honestly. Separate them in wings and done. And its about time that they improve the way in which people joins TW raids, because no one do them right now.
    Last edited by Darkarath; 2023-05-29 at 11:08 AM.
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  11. #6911
    Quote Originally Posted by Berkilak View Post
    I have no issue with informative YouTubers. I simply don’t watch YouTubers whose primary goal is to manipulate the YouTube algorithm. They just suck up your time with extraneous babble and sponsorships with the potential to reveal a nugget of information that might’ve taken 20 seconds to cover.
    That's just how every YouTuber has to operate. If you don't feed the algorithm with bullshit, YouTube will bury your video.

  12. #6912
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkarath View Post
    Timewalking should rotate at least every month. I do not think that Timewalking seasons are necessary. Just improved the current system, add more rewards and incentives, throw there more dungeons and raids, and of course make them available more often.
    You cannot rotate dungeons in and out of M+ that rapidly. People need some time to progress through them and learn them.
    Normal timewalking raids are fun but almost no challenge. There is no progression to be had there. Imo for evergreen content to be worthwhile, it needs to involve EVERYONE. So it needs to have something for most raiders to be able to progress through; picking up old raids in at least a HC difficulty (especially considering that some of the older raids predate difficulties) would let those raiders progress but giving just 4-5 weeks would not be enough time.
    And if you make TW zones, well those zones need to have things to do. The daily system up to MoP rewarded through reputations, not directly.
    And ofc there is the issue with rewards. You can balance a season of rewards between current expac and the timewalking rewards. But if it changes rapidly that means if there is some BiS item from the raid or dungeons and they rotate out, you are done. Either the gear from TW will have to be neutered or it needs to be available for the full season or at least for a substantial part of the season. If X.X.5 patches are the midway point of seasons, they could alternate TW there.

  13. #6913
    One thing that has bothered me so far since completing the 10.1 campaign is that none of the other aspects have met Ysera. Should that not have been something that should have happened by now
    Quote Originally Posted by Greyscale View Post
    But then again, in the story, we're pretty brutal murder machines and not really "strategical assets". Just send us in and we'll murder everything in our way!
    So I guess the solution here is simple - we'll murder everyone.

  14. #6914
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaganite View Post
    One thing that has bothered me so far since completing the 10.1 campaign is that none of the other aspects have met Ysera. Should that not have been something that should have happened by now
    Was indeed weird. Like we gave up Malf for what exactly? There needs to be more story than just Merithra. In particular, there needs to be some story with Alex.
    Also after she broke the blockade, what exactly is staying in this world for? Go back to Ardenweald.

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    Btw this probably interests people here:
    https://www.icy-veins.com/forums/top...in-patch-1015/

    Heart of the Aspects ready for dragonriding. Also looks damn good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    You cannot rotate dungeons in and out of M+ that rapidly. People need some time to progress through them and learn them.
    Normal timewalking raids are fun but almost no challenge. There is no progression to be had there. Imo for evergreen content to be worthwhile, it needs to involve EVERYONE. So it needs to have something for most raiders to be able to progress through; picking up old raids in at least a HC difficulty (especially considering that some of the older raids predate difficulties) would let those raiders progress but giving just 4-5 weeks would not be enough time.
    And if you make TW zones, well those zones need to have things to do. The daily system up to MoP rewarded through reputations, not directly.
    And ofc there is the issue with rewards. You can balance a season of rewards between current expac and the timewalking rewards. But if it changes rapidly that means if there is some BiS item from the raid or dungeons and they rotate out, you are done. Either the gear from TW will have to be neutered or it needs to be available for the full season or at least for a substantial part of the season. If X.X.5 patches are the midway point of seasons, they could alternate TW there.
    Current Mythic + system is ok regarding the amount of dungeons, no need to add more there. They need to add more to the current TW heroic difficult, throw raids in there divided in wings. Everybody does heroic TW dungeons, even without further incentive, players would still do that a lot. Everyone is currently involved in TW, except in raids, mostly because It does not have a LFG tool.

    I just do not see the appeal of a TW season, that would last for 5-6 months, when we can have them rotate every month with Timewalking zones.

    Plus I think that players would hate having to progress in two different raids.
    Last edited by Darkarath; 2023-05-29 at 09:54 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lahis View Post
    That's just how every YouTuber has to operate. If you don't feed the algorithm with bullshit, YouTube will bury your video.
    I get it. I understand why people do it. But I still don't watch it.

    And not every YouTuber operates this way. There's a myriad of smaller channels out there that put out purpose-driven informative videos. Raid guides, class theorycrafting, patch overviews and the like. Even lore and theory videos. I don't watch a lot of YouTube, but I generally go there with a question or topic in mind that I'd like to see addressed. Are there people making a living off of these videos? Very unlikely. But to be quite frank, that's not my problem. And to listen to brain-rot regurgitation that the larger channels bait people into just ensures that these smaller, better channels never have a chance. The algorithm feeds people what others watch. The only way to get it to support better content is to watch better content and ignore the stuff designed to manipulate their audience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darkarath View Post
    Current Mythic + system is ok regarding the amount of dungeons, no need to add more there. They need to add more to the current TW heroic difficult, throw raids in there divided in wings. Everybody does heroic TW dungeons, even without further incentive, players would still do that a lot. Everyone is currently involved in TW, except in raids, mostly because It does not have a LFG tool.

    I just do not see the appeal of a TW season, thats would last for 5-6 months, when we can have them rotate every month with Timewalking zones.
    I don't know, I've experienced it in ESO which has events placed on past content almost constantly and there these events usually last a full month and they stay very active. If Timewalking includes goals for people you need to actually give them time to achieve those goals. And I am not even sure why people would go to a Timewalking zone if it doesn't have current rewards and content. If you are looking for the cosmetics only, it would be much easier to do the zone outside TW when you have no competition and you can one shot everything, no?
    And does everyone really do TW dungeons? I queue as healer or tank only and I don't get completely instant queues but that's not indicative of much, is it fast for dps?

    As for progressing in multiple raids; I think there is a sizeable portion of the playerbase that gets AotC in the first couple of months and then simply bashes their head on Mythic for months with little to show for it; they either don't have the roster or the skills to do more than the first 2-3 bosses. If you gave them something alternative to progress in, why would they not do it? We have had tiers in the past that had multiple raids and it was fun switching between raids when we hit a wall in one place.
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  18. #6918
    Quote Originally Posted by Zaganite View Post
    One thing that has bothered me so far since completing the 10.1 campaign is that none of the other aspects have met Ysera. Should that not have been something that should have happened by now
    It has been annoying me as well. A quick quest or even a short cutscene of the others meeting her, or even Alex only would have been enough tbh lol
    Hopefully we get a lot more of her+other Aspects in 10.1.7 and 10.2.

  19. #6919
    Quote Originally Posted by Scyth View Post
    It has been annoying me as well. A quick quest or even a short cutscene of the others meeting her, or even Alex only would have been enough tbh lol
    Hopefully we get a lot more of her+other Aspects in 10.1.7 and 10.2.
    Heck given Wrathion and Sabellian are going to be following Ebyssian around, maybe the rest of the Aspects could get a "court". Kalecgos just got his, maybe a couple could move in with him at the seat (Azuregos for sure, maybe Haleh) and Merithra could have her mother with her as an advisor.

  20. #6920
    Quote Originally Posted by Nymrohd View Post
    I don't know, I've experienced it in ESO which has events placed on past content almost constantly and there these events usually last a full month and they stay very active. If Timewalking includes goals for people you need to actually give them time to achieve those goals. And I am not even sure why people would go to a Timewalking zone if it doesn't have current rewards and content. If you are looking for the cosmetics only, it would be much easier to do the zone outside TW when you have no competition and you can one shot everything, no?
    And does everyone really do TW dungeons? I queue as healer or tank only and I don't get completely instant queues but that's not indicative of much, is it fast for dps?

    As for progressing in multiple raids; I think there is a sizeable portion of the playerbase that gets AotC in the first couple of months and then simply bashes their head on Mythic for months with little to show for it; they either don't have the roster or the skills to do more than the first 2-3 bosses. If you gave them something alternative to progress in, why would they not do it? We have had tiers in the past that had multiple raids and it was fun switching between raids when we hit a wall in one place.
    People is happy right now, WoW respects their time. They should not add another raid progression that people would feel as mandatory.

    Everybody does TW dungeons. Queue is almost instant, at least for me. TW zones should have new rewards, they should give you more TW currency, and of course currencies that are not so easy to get these days like the Argent Tournament one.
    Last edited by Darkarath; 2023-05-29 at 11:07 AM.
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